Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[ding]

The economy collapsed under Biden its thriving under Trump. We have tax cuts, regulation, cuts, reliable energy policies, increased investment in manufacturing, businesses leaving Europe to build here, wages are up, inflation slowing, gdp 4.3%

That's because we keep doing the same things and have been for over 20 years. It didn't matter who is in office.

 

[rightwinger]

The economy collapsed under Biden its thriving under Trump. We have tax cuts, regulation, cuts, reliable energy policies, increased investment in manufacturing, businesses leaving Europe to build here, wages are up, inflation slowing, gdp 4.3%

The economy collapsed under COVID
That was the economy given to Biden

Trump was given strong economies by both Obama and Biden

 

[rightwinger]

Then be welder auto mechanic pipe fitter plumber electrician. You make what your worth not what you think you need

Not an easy skill for anyone to do

 

[Hafar1014]

Not an easy skill for anyone to do

Then thats what youre worth. You earn what youre worth not what you think you need. Live within your means and dont expect me to subsidize you.
You seem to think youre entitled to what you think you need. Thats youre problem

 

[alang1216]

So you think this proves today's Republicans are as bad as yesterday's Democrats?

In kind, yes, in degree, no.

 

[rightwinger]

Then thats what youre worth. You earn what youre worth not what you think you need. Live within your means and dont expect me to subsidize you.
You seem to think youre entitled to what you think you need. Thats youre problem

Some people are incapable of highly skilled positions
Our society has always relied on unskilled labor in the workforce.

Used to be an unskilled worker could support a family without public assistance. Salaries have not kept up

 

[alang1216]

You've lost all credibility.

Coming from someone, AI just called an idiot with no credibility or objectivity, I'd say your assessment lacks credibility.

 

[alang1216]

Exactly. So why are you transferring their control to external sources?

It is not the only factor, much as you'd prefer it to be.

 

[ding]

In kind, yes, in degree, no.

The degree is all that matters.

 

[ding]

Coming from someone, AI just called an idiot with no credibility or objectivity, I'd say your assessment lacks credibility.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that. Apparently AI doesn't know any better than you do that degree is all that matters when it comes to defining what systemic racism is. I suspect it's how you asked the question and not whether or not the actions of the Republican Party today compares to the actions of the Democratic Party of yesterday.

Your assertion that they are the same is categorically idiotic.

 

[ding]

It is not the only factor, much as you'd prefer it to be.

Au contraire, your victimization beliefs are central to your argument.

 

[IM2]

We spent 27 trillion on social programs for blacks and they are worse off today. Get married then have children, stop killing each other, stop selling drugs to your neighbors, get an education, stop voting democrat, America owes you nothing you owe us.

No one spent 27 trillion on social programs just for blacks, and if that was true, it is still lower than the 1 quintillion that whites received in the last century blacks were excluded from.

Don't lecture me, white cuck. You guys lead the nation in crimes against family and children every single year, you do and sell the most drugs, you kill each other basically in the same percentage as blacks, studies have shown whites who have a high school education get jobs before blacks with college educations, because white scum like you turn down resumes with black names. Unlike right-wing whites, we vote in our best interest, not yours, white man, and voting Republican is not in our best interest, so STFU repeating your racist nonsense.

 

[IM2]

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that. Apparently AI doesn't know any better than you do that degree is all that matters when it comes to defining what systemic racism is. I suspect it's how you asked the question and not whether or not the actions of the Republican Party today compares to the actions of the Democratic Party of yesterday.

Your assertion that they are the same is categorically idiotic.

His assertion is categorically true.

 

[Hafar1014]

No one spent 27 trillion on social programs just for blacks, and if that was true, it is still lower than the 1 quintillion that whites received in the last century blacks were excluded from.

Don't lecture me, white cuck. You guys lead the nation in crimes against family and children every single year, you do and sell the most drugs, you kill each other basically in the same percentage as blacks, studies have shown whites who have a high school education get jobs before blacks with college educations, because white scum like you turn down resumes with black names. Unlike right-wing whites, we vote in our best interest, not yours, white man, and voting Republican is not in our best interest, so STFU repeating your racist nonsense.

Whites never got anything other then moral values hard work innovation and two parent families. Your claim is pure bull shit and excuse for your failure as culture. Youre never going to get squat in reparations. Instead we should give it to the stores you people shoplifted.

 

[DStar777]

No one spent 27 trillion on social programs just for blacks

But you are not denying they greatly benefitted are you? Here's a thought: You owe the descendents of union soldiers compensation for fighting to the death to free the slaves. That makes as much sense as the reparations people like you want paid to blacks for slavery.

 

[IM2]

But you are not denying they greatly benefitted are you? Here's a thought: You owe the descendents of union soldiers compensation for fighting to the death to free the slaves. That makes as much sense as the reparations people like you want paid to blacks for slavery.

Blacks fought for the Union. We don't owe whites anything for correcting the wrong they created. So I will post this because your argument is retarded.

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation, or was a participant in Custer's violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold trespass into land promised to the Sioux ,thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as a condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux Nation 105 million dollars.

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians :: 448 U.S. 371 (1980) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/448/371/

This is just one example. Cobel v. Salazar and others are additional examples. Confederate soldiers and their descendants got reparations until at least 2017. President Obama released funds to pay Jews reparations for WW2 even though our country did not commit the crimes. You guys have been shown this, yet you still try to argue. After a while, repeating myself gets old, so you can just stop with your trifling, obtuse commentary.

Futhermore,

I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper in the link shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

Black Reparations for Twentieth Century Federal Housing Discrimination: The Construction of White Wealth and the Effects of Denied Black Homeownership

This year marks the 400th anniversary of the first documented arrival of Africans to the United States, which resulted in the enslavement of approximately 4 mil

papers.ssrn.com

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.

Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 60,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Your argument is retarded because you are making an emotional argument, not based on fact, that ignores precedent set whereby others received reparations for harm done to their ancestors.

 

[IM2]

Whites never got anything other then moral values hard work innovation and two parent families. Your claim is pure bull shit and excuse for your failure as culture. Youre never going to get squat in reparations. Instead we should give it to the stores you people shoplifted.

Stop lying to yourself, white man.

This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership,

Black Reparations for Twentieth Century Federal Housing Discrimination: The Construction of White Wealth and the Effects of Denied Black Homeownership

This year marks the 400th anniversary of the first documented arrival of Africans to the United States, which resulted in the enslavement of approximately 4 mil

papers.ssrn.com

You do know what invested and subsidizing mean trailer park?

Whites lead the nation in crimes against family and children every motherfucking year, white man. So, having two parents hasn't stopped the white abuse of spouses and children. Whites lead the nation in shoplifting, according to the UCR as well. Your culture is the failure trailer park, that is why you elect a felon to be in charge of making and enforcing the law.

 

[IM2]

That's because we keep doing the same things and have been for over 20 years. It didn't matter who is in office.

The economy did not collapse under Biden.

 

[ding]

His assertion is categorically true.

Only if you place party above people.

 

[ding]

The economy did not collapse under Biden.

I couldn't be happier for you to politicize inflating our way out of debt. I can hardly wait for you to suffer the predictable surprises of this failed "policy." .