Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

Democrats created it and republicans ended it.
Slavery existed long before there was a Democratic Party. It is today's Republican Party fighting to restore Confederate symbols. So you can just stop here, junior, the modern Republican party is the party of racism.
 
Slavery existed long before there was a Democratic Party. It is today's Republican Party fighting to restore Confederate symbols. So you can just stop here, junior, the modern Republican party is the party of racism.
It's funny how you give Democrats a hall pass when what they did was orders of magnitude worse than canceling DEI. SMH.
 
It's funny how you give Democrats a hall pass when what they did was orders of magnitude worse than canceling DEI. SMH.
And what about CURRENT Democrats? The Left is the side chanting “Death to Jews!!,” blocking Jewish kids from, attending class, setting up “No Jew Zones,” etc.

Even IM2, who cries against bigotry against blacks, called Jews evil and Satanic.
 
I don't disagree. I fail to see my culpability though. There's a novel idea in jurisprudence; perpetrators of harm are held accountable, innocent people are not.


The thing I liked about your specific example is that it tied the direct descendants - who had a valid claim - to the offender (Los Angeles County).
I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.


Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 460,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.
 
It's funny how you give Democrats a hall pass when what they did was orders of magnitude worse than canceling DEI. SMH.
I am stating a fact. Slavery began here in 1619. The Democratic Party was founded in 1828. Republicans authored the Corwin Amendment. Slavery was almost a constitutional right because of the Republicans. Republicans ended Reconstruction. Republicans participated in Jim Crow. Repubicans nominated a presidential candidate who opposed the Civil Rights Act. Today Republicans are yesterday's Dixiecats. Republicans of today have ended the things that stopped Jim Crow. What you believe about DEI is based on you being stupid enough to fall for the bs that white race hustlers told you. These are the facts, everybody knows it, but you right-wingers love trying this shit as if we are stupid enough to fall for it.
 
I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.


Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 460,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

How many trillions of dollars have blacks drained our welfare system and taxpayers in excess in dollars per capita? There's your reparations. Stop begging and trying to get even more handouts you lazy horse's ass.
 
You are defining systemic racism in a vacuum. A more apt comparison would be when racism really was systemic because it was legally codified. Just because you see a racist around every bend and behind every bush does not make it so. Democrats should feel guilty for what their party has done. But I don't. I'm not a Democrat. Doling out special treatment for votes is idiotic. Especially when it hasn't worked. If you disagree I suggest you take a stroll through an inner city at night and get back to me.
You're defining systemic racism solely by what it was historically and ignoring what it today. The numbers I quoted are evidence that systemic racism exists today.
Republicans should feel guilty for what their party has become. Lincoln would not be a Republican today, he could never win a GOP primary.
Doling out special treatment to undo the harmful treatment Blacks have historically received is called fairness. There have always been dangerous slums, nothing new there but the numbers show Blacks are doing better than they were. Unfortunately they started at a huge disadvantage so the wealth gap with Whites is not really closing.
 
You could say that but given that the Democratic Party justified slavery on the grounds of white supremacy - something Republicans have never done - a more apt analogy would be comparing Democrats to the American Nazi Party.
Too big a stretch in time to compare. Why don't you compare the party of Lincoln to the party of MAGA Republicans.
 
You're defining systemic racism solely by what it was historically and ignoring what it today. The numbers I quoted are evidence that systemic racism exists today.
Republicans should feel guilty for what their party has become. Lincoln would not be a Republican today, he could never win a GOP primary.
Doling out special treatment to undo the harmful treatment Blacks have historically received is called fairness. There have always been dangerous slums, nothing new there but the numbers show Blacks are doing better than they were. Unfortunately they started at a huge disadvantage so the wealth gap with Whites is not really closing.
There is no systemic racism. The problems in the black community come firm the lack of a father in the family. Thats the main cause of poverty and crime
Abstract
The Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency reports that the most reliable indicator of violent crime in a community is the proportion of fatherless families. Fathers typically offer economic stability, a role model for boys, greater household security, and reduced stress for mothers. This is especially true for families with adolescent boys, the most crime-prone cohort. Children from single-parent families are more prone than children from two-parent families to use drugs, be gang members, be expelled from school, be committed to reform institutions, and become juvenile murderers. Single parenthood inevitably reduces the amount of time a child has in interaction with someone who is attentive to the child's needs, including the provision of moral guidance and discipline. According to a 1993 Metropolitan Life Survey, "Violence in America's Public Schools," 71 percent of teachers and 90 percent of law enforcement officials state that the lack of parental supervision at home is a major factor that contributes to the violence in schools. Sixty-one percent of elementary students and 76 percent of secondary children agree with this assessment.
 
How many trillions of dollars have blacks drained our welfare system and taxpayers in excess in dollars per capita? There's your reparations. Stop begging and trying to get even more handouts you lazy horse's ass.
27 trillion and they are worse off today
 
I don't disagree. I fail to see my culpability though. There's a novel idea in jurisprudence; perpetrators of harm are held accountable, innocent people are not.
Did your family benefit from the oppression of Blacks? If I rob a bank and give that money to my son, is it his or does he have a legal obligation to return it?
 
Joe, you knew this very well when you were a Republican, so why did you flip to Democrats. I kid you of course. Your version of history is what Democrat masters say to you.

No, my version of history is actrually... what happened.

Measurable results.

Carter and yes, Clinton, did well in the South because they were from the South. But it doesn't take away from the reality that when Democrats included blacks in their wider coalition and started advocating for civil rights, the inbred bigots of the South started turning to the GOP.

Who welcomed them with open arms, and even tacked into the racism.

Which is how you got...

Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and "War on Crime".
Reagan ranting about Welfare Queens and Young Bucks
Bush Sr, doing the Willie Horton Ad
Jesse Helms doing the "White Hands" ad.

Now, I would love to be able to say, "I turned on the Republicans because I found this behavior abhorant."

But honestly, I can't.

What turned me against them was Bush ******* up the economy so badly in 2008 and his main concern was bailing out rich people while the rest of us were left to our own devices.

Then the Repubicans nominated Romney and that was really the last straw for me.
 
I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.


Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 460,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.
We spent 27 trillion on social programs for blacks and they are worse off today. Get married then have children, stop killing each other, stop selling drugs to your neighbors, get an education, stop voting democrat, America owes you nothing you owe us.
 
No, my version of history is actrually... what happened.

Measurable results.

Carter and yes, Clinton, did well in the South because they were from the South. But it doesn't take away from the reality that when Democrats included blacks in their wider coalition and started advocating for civil rights, the inbred bigots of the South started turning to the GOP.

Who welcomed them with open arms, and even tacked into the racism.

Which is how you got...

Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and "War on Crime".
Reagan ranting about Welfare Queens and Young Bucks
Bush Sr, doing the Willie Horton Ad
Jesse Helms doing the "White Hands" ad.

Now, I would love to be able to say, "I turned on the Republicans because I found this behavior abhorant."

But honestly, I can't.

What turned me against them was Bush ******* up the economy so badly in 2008 and his main concern was bailing out rich people while the rest of us were left to our own devices.

Then the Repubicans nominated Romney and that was really the last straw for me.
After Carter, you got Clinton, so please nor more BS.
 
There is no systemic racism. The problems in the black community come firm the lack of a father in the family. Thats the main cause of poverty and crime
Abstract
The Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency reports that the most reliable indicator of violent crime in a community is the proportion of fatherless families. Fathers typically offer economic stability, a role model for boys, greater household security, and reduced stress for mothers. This is especially true for families with adolescent boys, the most crime-prone cohort. Children from single-parent families are more prone than children from two-parent families to use drugs, be gang members, be expelled from school, be committed to reform institutions, and become juvenile murderers. Single parenthood inevitably reduces the amount of time a child has in interaction with someone who is attentive to the child's needs, including the provision of moral guidance and discipline. According to a 1993 Metropolitan Life Survey, "Violence in America's Public Schools," 71 percent of teachers and 90 percent of law enforcement officials state that the lack of parental supervision at home is a major factor that contributes to the violence in schools. Sixty-one percent of elementary students and 76 percent of secondary children agree with this assessment.
The problems in the black community come from many sources, both historical and current.
 
The change in the South took place after Jimmy Carter was president. He still swept the south. He fucked things up. I saw it happen. I flipped to being a Republican thanks to the Carter strategy.

That's not true, either.

The key thing to remember is that no Democrat has won the White vote since LBJ beat Goldwater in 1964.

Every Democrat victory since then (Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden) has been because just enough white folks voted Democrat and were supplemented by people of color voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

In the case of Carter, it was only because people were utterly disgusted by the fact Ford pardoned Nixon.

In the case of Clinton, it was because Bush wrecked the economy, and because Perot split the white vote

In the case of Obama, it was because Bush had fouled up the economy so badly, and mired us into a war based on a lie.

In the case of Biden, it was because Trump fouled up the response to Covid and wrecked the economy.
 
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And what about CURRENT Democrats? The Left is the side chanting “Death to Jews!!,” blocking Jewish kids from, attending class, setting up “No Jew Zones,” etc.

Even IM2, who cries against bigotry against blacks, called Jews evil and Satanic.

Well, there's the whole Genocide in Gaza thing, which is why kids on campus are doing this.

But you keep leaving that out for some reason.
 
I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.


Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 460,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.
Blacks dont own homes because the have poor credit. Even the Community Reinvestment Act that forced banks to tale on bad loans in the lack community didnt increase black home ownership. It did cause the great recession.
No one owes you anything you owe us for all the crime welfare and money we wasted on you and what your crime coats us.
Ok Ill go for reparations. But any black who was on welfare, in the criminal justice system, benefited from affirmative action, made millions in sports or music, has children out of wedlock, is exempt from any reparations.
For the three of you that are left how about a Walmart gift card for $1.59 KMA
 
That's not true, either.

The key thing to remember is that no Democrat has won the White vote since LBJ beat Goldwater in 1964.

Every Democrat victory since then (Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden) has been because just enough white folks voted Democrat and were supplemented by people of color voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

In the case of Carter, it was only because people were utterly disgusted by the fact Ford pardoned Nixon.

In the case of Clinton, it was because Bush wrecked the economy, and because Perot split the white vote

In the case of Obama, it was because Bush had fouled up the economy so badly, and mired us into a war based on a lie.

In the case of Biden, it was because Trump fouled up the response to Covid and wrecked the economy.
Yes your thinking is muddled. Did you persuade me? ha ha
 

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