Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

Because Perot split the white vote.
Still you got Clinton. From Arkansas. You make excuses up faster than the seahawks beat the 49ers.

Remember the story Democrats lie about. That due to the 1964 civil rights law, suddenly the "South became republican. Where was Gore from?
 
There is no systemic racism. The problems in the black community come firm the lack of a father in the family. Thats the main cause of poverty and crime
Abstract
The Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency reports that the most reliable indicator of violent crime in a community is the proportion of fatherless families. Fathers typically offer economic stability, a role model for boys, greater household security, and reduced stress for mothers. This is especially true for families with adolescent boys, the most crime-prone cohort. Children from single-parent families are more prone than children from two-parent families to use drugs, be gang members, be expelled from school, be committed to reform institutions, and become juvenile murderers. Single parenthood inevitably reduces the amount of time a child has in interaction with someone who is attentive to the child's needs, including the provision of moral guidance and discipline. According to a 1993 Metropolitan Life Survey, "Violence in America's Public Schools," 71 percent of teachers and 90 percent of law enforcement officials state that the lack of parental supervision at home is a major factor that contributes to the violence in schools. Sixty-one percent of elementary students and 76 percent of secondary children agree with this assessment.
When I suggested that the high OOW rate is the cause of problems in the black underclass - correlating as it does with poor educational attainment, poverty, and high crime rates - the blacktivists on this forum screamed “waaaacist!”

It seems that any suggestion that problems in the black underclass are due to their own actions - and not racism - has them furious. How DARE we hold blacks responsible for their own choices?!
 
The slave trade in the U.S. ended in 1808. No slaves from Africa were brought in after that.
At the time, there were about a million slaves in the US

Between 1800 and 1860 the slave population grew to four million. All bred in the U.S. to serve as slaves

There is your white guilt
 
When I suggested that the high OOW rate is the cause of problems in the black underclass - correlating as it does with poor educational attainment, poverty, and high crime rates - the blacktivists on this forum screamed “waaaacist!”

It seems that any suggestion that problems in the black underclass are due to their own actions - and not racism - has them furious. How DARE we hold blacks responsible for their own choices?!
THats because they are children who have never grown up
 
The slave trade in the U.S. ended in 1808. No slaves from Africa were brought in after that.
At the time, there were about a million slaves in the US

Between 1800 and 1860 the slave population grew to four million. All bred in the U.S. to serve as slaves

There is your white guilt
You told us why you are guilty.
 
Perot was from the South.

Um, okay, that's neither here nor there.

So was Bush and so was Clinton. So you had three guys from the South running.

Gore was also from the South, but he lost even his home state without Perot splitting the vote. (Well, he probably won Florida, but Jeb cheated.)
 
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I do think that whites like yourself don't understand that reparations are not just about slavery.


This paper shows that whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in economic aid from the government during the last century, that black were excluded from. That has fueled what wealth white people have right now.

But if you still want to deny things.

"Racial and ethnic inequities have cost the U.S. economy some $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Large and persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings across races "add up to a smaller economic pie for the nation as a whole" This statement is from a working paper published by members of the San Francisco Federal Reserve about the economic impact of continued inequity. It is titled: “The Economic Gains from Equity” In this paper, they state that from 1990 until 2022, the United States lost 51 trillion dollars in economic output due to continuing systemic disparities.

Citygroup did a study focusing on U.S. GDP from 2000 until 2020. The study revealed huge losses in GDP due to continuing discrimination against blacks in business revenue, education, housing credit, and income. The study determined that since the year 2000, continuing discriminatory practices in the four areas mentioned in the prior sentence resulted in a loss of 16 trillion dollars in GDP.25 The breakdown is as follows:

“Closing the Black racial wage gap 20 years ago might have provided an additional $2.7 trillion in income available for consumption and investment.

Improving access to housing credit might have added an additional 770,000 Black homeowners over the last 20 years, with combined sales and expenditures adding another $218 billion to GDP over that time.

Facilitating increased access to higher education (college, graduate, and vocational schools) for Black students might have bolstered lifetime incomes that in aggregate sums to $90 to $113 billion.

Providing fair and equitable lending to Black entrepreneurs might have resulted in the creation of an additional $13 trillion in business revenue over the last 20 years. This could have been used for investments in labor, technology, capital equipment, and structures, and 6.1 million jobs might have been created per year.


Citigroup determined that money was lost due to racial discrimination against blacks since 2000. At a minimum, reparations can be requested for money lost from 2000 to the present. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals more than 460,000 per black person in America based on the 2020 U.S. Census. Including all losses due to racial discrimination equals more than 280,000 per black person in America. This is money owed NOW for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.
What I understand is that anyone who believes today's republicans are like the democrats of old - like you do - have no credibility.
 
I am stating a fact. Slavery began here in 1619. The Democratic Party was founded in 1828. Republicans authored the Corwin Amendment. Slavery was almost a constitutional right because of the Republicans. Republicans ended Reconstruction. Republicans participated in Jim Crow. Repubicans nominated a presidential candidate who opposed the Civil Rights Act. Today Republicans are yesterday's Dixiecats. Republicans of today have ended the things that stopped Jim Crow. What you believe about DEI is based on you being stupid enough to fall for the bs that white race hustlers told you. These are the facts, everybody knows it, but you right-wingers love trying this shit as if we are stupid enough to fall for it.
You have zero credibility and don't understand history.
 
You're defining systemic racism solely by what it was historically and ignoring what it today. The numbers I quoted are evidence that systemic racism exists today.
Republicans should feel guilty for what their party has become. Lincoln would not be a Republican today, he could never win a GOP primary.
Doling out special treatment to undo the harmful treatment Blacks have historically received is called fairness. There have always been dangerous slums, nothing new there but the numbers show Blacks are doing better than they were. Unfortunately they started at a huge disadvantage so the wealth gap with Whites is not really closing.
Not exactly. I'm not ignoring racism today. I am placing it in it's proper context because idiots - like you - keep arguing today's republicans are like yesterday's democrats. Until you can be objective, you have no credibility.
 
Too big a stretch in time to compare. Why don't you compare the party of Lincoln to the party of MAGA Republicans.
That's odd given that that is exactly what you did when you said today's republicans are like yesterday's democrats. An assertion that by any objective measure is not supported by facts.
 
Did your family benefit from the oppression of Blacks? If I rob a bank and give that money to my son, is it his or does he have a legal obligation to return it?
No. My family was too busy being oppressed by the French. Both sides were very poor.

Maybe look into what the law requires for your answer because you keep ignoring the concept of traceability back to the ones being harmed and the ones doing the harm. In both examples you provided it's quite easy to connect the dots. It's disingenuous of you to try to spread that to people and events which can't be traced and don't have a party today that can be held accountable. Other than the Democratic Party that is which you have decided is quite innocent.
 
The problems in the black community come from many sources, both historical and current.
The thing I hate about an external locus of control is that it totally dismisses accountability and impedes progress. You do realize that some black people actually flourished while others did not. Why do you suppose that is? Was it luck? Did they cheat?
 
Not exactly. I'm not ignoring racism today. I am placing it in it's proper context because idiots - like you - keep arguing today's republicans are like yesterday's democrats. Until you can be objective, you have no credibility.
Even worse, that lefty compared Republicans to the Nazi Party!
 
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Not exactly. I'm not ignoring racism today. I am placing it in it's proper context because idiots - like you - keep arguing today's republicans are like yesterday's democrats. Until you can be objective, you have no credibility.
Caution, AI just called you an idiot with no credibility or objectivity.

Comparing today’s GOP to the pre-1964 Democratic Party reveals one of the most famous "jersey swaps" in political history. If you took a time machine back to 1955, the political map would look like a photographic negative of today: the South was a "Solid" blue wall, and the GOP was the party of Northern elites and suburban moderates.

Here is how the two compare across the major fault lines of American life.


1. The "Working Class" Populism​

Both parties, in their respective eras, positioned themselves as the champions of the "forgotten man" against a distant, entrenched elite.
  • Pre-1964 Democrats: Their populism was rooted in the New Deal Coalition. It was built on labor unions, farmers, and the white working class. They fought for the "little guy" through massive government programs, infrastructure (like the TVA), and Social Security.

  • Today’s GOP: The populism has shifted toward cultural and national identity. The modern GOP appeals to the same demographic—white working-class and rural voters—but the "elites" they fight are no longer just "Wall Street bankers"; they are "the deep state," "globalists," and "academic elites."

2. The Southern Stronghold​

The most striking similarity is the geography of the base.
  • The "Solid South": Before 1964, the South was so Democrat-heavy that the Republican Party barely existed there. Southern Democrats (often called "Dixiecrats") were the most conservative wing of the party, obsessed with states' rights and "traditional" social hierarchies.

  • The Red Wall: Today, that exact same geography—the rural South and the Sun Belt—is the heart of the Republican Party. The arguments for "states' rights" and local control remain central, though the specific policy battles (education, healthcare, voting laws) have evolved.

3. Social Conservatism vs. Radical Change​

Both groups shared a deep skepticism of rapid social engineering directed from Washington, D.C.
  • Pre-1964 Democrats: The Southern wing was the primary roadblock to the Civil Rights Movement. They viewed federal intervention as an overreach into their way of life.

  • Today’s GOP: While the modern GOP is officially colorblind in its platform, it occupies a similar role as the "brakeman" on social change. Whether the issue is gender identity, climate policy, or DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion), today’s GOP echoes the old Democratic refrain that the federal government is trying to force "radical" cultural shifts onto local communities.

The Great Divergence: What Changed?​

The pivot point was 1964. When Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he famously told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation." He was right.
 
That's odd given that that is exactly what you did when you said today's republicans are like yesterday's democrats. An assertion that by any objective measure is not supported by facts.
Except it is.
 
The thing I hate about an external locus of control is that it totally dismisses accountability and impedes progress. You do realize that some black people actually flourished while others did not. Why do you suppose that is? Was it luck? Did they cheat?
I have asked that question probably 20 times:

If “racism” explains why blacks are less educated, poorer, have higher crime rates, etc., then how come “racism” did not hold back all the blacks who moved into the middle class?

The answer of course is something blacktivists can’t admit: that the blacks who moved from poverty to the middle class did so by being motivated, disciplined, taking advantage of opportunities (like Pell Grants), NOT having three illegitimate children when they weren’t married, and obeying laws.

The problem with that answer is that it shows that blacks (like anyone else) are responsible for their own outcomes by virtue of wise choices and good values.
 
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