Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[Lisa558]

Here’s a good overview of the bigotry of the Southern Democrats.

The History of the Democratic Party – Rooted in Slavery - Speak Out Socialists

The Democratic Party was founded in the period after the American Revolution of 1776. One ...

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[alang1216]

What about the parents not putting the 50 lb weight on their baby in the first place? That is what they are doing by having out-of-wedlock babies they cant even support.

If I was putting an Olympic team together and had to choose between two runners with the same finish time, I'd pick the one who ran with the 50 lb weight. Is that unfair discrimination?

 

[Hafar1014]

If I was putting an Olympic team together and had to choose between two runners with the same finish time, I'd pick the one who ran with the 50 lb weight. Is that unfair discrimination?

Its a metaphor. You might have to pay bail for this runner to compete

 

[alang1216]

And you think that is comparable to the 150 year history of racist and bigoted policies of the Democratic Party?

It seems to me that you have confused a disagreement on solutions with bigotry and racism. I'm not seeing anything that can be classified as racist or bigoted with anything you have posted.

The goals remain the same, only the tools and the party have changed.

 

[ding]

If I was putting an Olympic team together and had to choose between two runners with the same finish time, I'd pick the one who ran with the 50 lb weight. Is that unfair discrimination?

It seems you are assuming discrimination exists EVERYWHERE.

 

[ding]

The goals remain the same, only the tools and the party have changed.

I disagree. I don't know how you can honestly make that comparison.

 

[Lisa558]

If I was putting an Olympic team together and had to choose between two runners with the same finish time, I'd pick the one who ran with the 50 lb weight. Is that unfair discrimination?

So blame the parent who put the 50 lb weight on her baby to start with. Otherwise, all you’re doing is enabling the behavior that led to the weight, and the only way to “equalize” it is to penalize the baby who had good parents.

We need to start with the parents. We’ve had two generations of enabling them to put 50 lb weights on their babies. Enough is enough.

 

[August West]

I’m attacking the concept, and yes, black fatigue has occurred from the constant obsession with slavery, race, etc. It’s more and more accepted to roll your eyes and mock it than it was 10 years ago.

How many white people do you know, who would rather be Black?

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm not completely demonizing him, it's not absolute... but hey outright admitted everything. He was for slavery if it kept the country together. I think Lincoln realized the moral evil slavery was, but had to do whatever it took to keep the country united. He wasn't the only one to struggle with this. Robert E Lee noted how slavery was a moral and political evil.

The Civil War was complicated with many factors. Leftist propaganda has simplified it down to "SOUTH=SLAVERY=BAD. NORTH=NO SLAVERY=GOOD (which is a lie, there was still plenty of slavery in the North)".

Slavery was a big cause in the South, but the key issue was that the Slave states had lost control of the Federal Government which had turned against the slave states and stopped their expansion into the new territories. Slavery had to expand or die; the South had over cropped its land, and the plantations were losing money every year trying to support their slaves. Slavery was a much smaller issue in the North, with only a relatively small number of ardent abolitionists fanning the anti-slavery flames. maintaining the Union was a much more important issue in the north.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The South never fought the war due to slavery. Getting rid of Slavery was not on Lincolns mind at all. What was on the Souths mind was it got invaded in VA by Lincoln. Abe operated as if he was the owner of states. Abe definitely did not own a single state.
Sure, Democrats of today's mind did keep blacks down under. Republicans did a lot to free them. When has a Democrat president fought to free slaves? Mr Friscus is a great teacher.

You're wrong. Slavery was THE key issue in the South. It was enshrined in the Confederate Constitution.
From the Constitution of the Confederacy:

ARTICLE IV​

Section I. (I) Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State; and the Congress may, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.

(2) A person charged in any State with treason, felony, or other crime against the laws of such State, who shall flee from justice, and be found in another State, shall, on demand of the executive authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having jurisdiction of the crime.

(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.

(2) The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make allneedful rules and regulations concerning the property of the Confederate States, including the lands thereof.

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

(4) The Confederate States shall guarantee to every State that now is, or hereafter may become, a member of this Confederacy, a republican form of government; and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the Legislature or of the Executive when the Legislature is not in session) against domestic violence.

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[AZrailwhale]

I was thinking more about the GOP removing laws that might help Blacks get better jobs, healthcare, housing, and education.

AI Overview

In 2025, a wave of legislative, executive, and regulatory actions led by the Republican Party has targeted Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, affirmative action, and "disparate impact" rules, particularly affecting federal contractors and state-level education systems
. These actions are framed by supporters as returning to "merit-based" policies and removing "discriminatory preferences," while critics argue they dismantle protections against systemic discrimination in employment, housing, and education for Black Americans.
Key areas where these actions have taken place include:

1. Employment and Federal Contracting

• Removal of DEI Programs: Executive orders in 2025 mandated the termination of DEI offices and programs across the federal government and for federal contractors.
• Rescinding Non-Discrimination Orders: The administration rescinded previous orders designed to promote diversity, including 1965 executive orders that prohibited discrimination in federal contracting.
• Apprenticeship Changes: The Department of Labor (DOL) proposed removing requirements for apprenticeship programs to conduct targeted recruitment for minorities, women, and people with disabilities.
• Targeting "Disparate Impact" Rules: In April 2025, an executive order directed agencies to limit the use of the "disparate impact" standard, which had been used to challenge policies that appear neutral but have discriminatory effects.

2. Education

• State-Level DEI Bans: Numerous Republican-led states (Alabama, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Utah, Indiana) signed laws in 2024 and 2025 prohibiting public universities and colleges from maintaining DEI offices, funding DEI activities, or requiring diversity statements in hiring.
• "Divisive Concepts" Restrictions: Legislation in these states often restricts teaching or training on topics related to race, systemic oppression, and implicit bias.
• Department of Education Reductions: Proposals to dismantle or significantly restructure the U.S. Department of Education were initiated, including efforts to cut funding for public K-12 education.

3. Housing and Healthcare

• Fair Housing Enforcement: The administration zeroed out funding for the Fair Housing Initiatives Program (FHIP), which supports non-profit groups that fight housing discrimination.
• Fair Housing Regulations: The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) moved to alter "disparate impact" rules, making it more difficult to challenge housing providers and lenders on discrimination.
• Healthcare Access: Proposed budgets have targeted the reduction of Medicaid funding and the elimination of programs designed to address health disparities for minority populations.

4. Other Policy Areas

• Voting Rights Act: Republican-led initiatives have sought to limit the scope of the Voting Rights Act, specifically targeting the use of race in creating majority-Black districts.
• Economic Relief: Proposed budget plans have aimed to allow enhanced tax credits (like those in the Affordable Care Act) to expire, which critics argue will increase healthcare costs for low-income Black households.

These actions are part of a broader, stated initiative to dismantle what the current administration terms "radical and wasteful government DEI programs" and to promote "color-blind" policies.

Equal opportunity MUST be color blind. Racial preferences are both illegal and immoral.

 

[Unkotare]

Equal opportunity MUST be color blind. Racial preferences are both illegal and immoral.

If you want to see something funny, go ask IM2 about that notion.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Nobody has ever claimed that.



Besides these numbers beinq questionable. (There were 790,000 slaves in the US counted in the first Census in 1790, about 18% of the population, and by 1860, that number had grown to 6.5 million.)

Wouldn't you agree that being born into slavery was just as bad as being kidnapped into it? Maybe a little worse, if your whole reason for existence was to be a fungible commodity to be sold. (which is why so many slave owners gleefully raped their female slaves.)

Here's the bigger problem, though. Your number for Brazil is wrong, it was only 1.7 million. In fact, the entire population of Brazil when Slavery ended was only 10 million. But how slavery was administered in Brazil was nowhere near the brutality it was administered in the US, which is why Brazil was able to end slavery without a civil war.



Again, you are being disingenuous. Out of those 31 million, 6.5 million were slaves, so about 20% of the population was affected. That's why the 3/5th compromise was such a big deal.

So, yes, the systematic enslavement, torture, and rape of 6.5 million people is a big deal.

It becomes a bigger deal when you realize that in the 170 years since slavery ended, most of that was various schemes to keep black people disenfranchised and oppressed, including...

Jim Crow
Segregation
Literacy Tests
Poll Taxes
Sundown Laws
Debt Peonage
Share-cropping
Miscegenation Laws

All of which were designed to keep the black population "in its place".

Now, since you want to keep comparing to Brazil, 45% of Brazil's population is of mixed race.



No, we need to clean up our own house, as the legacy of slavery still exists in the racial disparities in this country.

Literacy tests are a good thing and should be implemented today. Not to disenfranchise any racial group, but to disenfranchise the idiots who can't read and just react to attack ads from both sides. Sharecropping never went away. My uncle owned a farm because he liked living in the country. He had his neighboring framer sharecrop it, so the land didn't sit idle. Sharecropping was and is a method for farmers who couldn't or can't afford to buy their own land to afford to support their family.

 

[AZrailwhale]

White ba

Except 32% of white babies are born out of wedlock, and they are fine. If you factor in divorce, a majority of white kids are single parent families.



Again, you are being disingenous. Black people were poor when the OOW birth rate was only 20% among African-Americans.

Also, you discount the effect of slavery on the establishment of familial bonds.

Marriage was illegal before emancipation, and on a more practical level, when your partner or children could be sold off at any time, it's much harder to form those familial bonds. When your partner can be raped by the master with impunity, much harder to form families after that.

Not to discount how the way we mismanage welfare has contributed to the problem. It most certainly has, for all poor people. But as stated above, illegitimacy has grown for ALL races in the US except for Asians, who just aren't into that kind of thing.

White babies born out of wedlock AREN'T "just fine" I was one, no father and abandoned by my mother. I was raised poor by my grandmother and had to work very hard to move up from being dirt poor to comfortable middle class. I have worked ever since the fourth grade. Before I was old enough for a paper route, I worked at a newsstand hawking newspapers on the corner of Sixth and Alvarado in Los Angeles. I got a half cent for each ten-cent paper I sold. I had a paper route until I turned sixteen, then I went to work for Pup-N-Taco where I worked until I was seventeen and graduated high school, I then enlisted in the Army during Vietnam. I have served, worked or gone to college every year of my adult life to better myself. Any black kid in any ghetto in the USA could do the same. Most turn to crime like most of my friends did. Poverty isn't limited by skin color. One of the biggest reasons I detest you is my background and how you give a pass to criminals and thugs based upon their skin color.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's still the party of the working class.

They just use your racial, religious, and sexual fears to keep you voting against your own interests.

The Democrat Party has morphed from the party of the working class to the party of those dependent on the government. Its constituency is now the recipients of welfare programs, the rich and government employees. NOT the working poor and middle class.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If you want to see something funny, go ask IM2 about that notion.

I've watched him blow his top over that concept many times. Now he refuses to even acknowledge it.

 

[Dorian Mode]

There is a LOT more to this story that has been avoided. White European men who dared go into Africa came out with various diseases that killed them rather rapidly. And if the diseases didn't kill them the African tribes tried to. They stayed on the docks in fear for their lives. So, who brought the slaves to the boats? Africans. African tribes were always warring and when a market for slaves opened up they went out and captured people from neighboring tribes and brought them to the boats. Most of the slave trade was done by Europeans and middle eastern nations and Africa provided the slaves. America certainly bought them, but a very small portion of them. So, if anyone has to pay for slavery, I would start with Africa. Then Europe and the Middle East. Then South America. Finally America should kick in a small portion.

 

[Unkotare]

There is a LOT more to this story that has been avoided. White European men who dared go into Africa came out with various diseases that killed them rather rapidly. And if the diseases didn't kill them the African tribes tried to. They stayed on the docks in fear for their lives. So, who brought the slaves to the boats? Africans. African tribes were always warring and when a market for slaves opened up [sic] they went out and captured people from neighboring tribes and brought them to the boats. Most of the slave trade was done by Europeans and middle eastern nations and Africa provided the slaves. America certainly bought them, but a very small portion of them. So, if anyone has to pay for slavery, I would start with Africa. Then Europe and the Middle East. Then South America. Finally [sic] America should kick in a small portion.

I'm not seeing a link.

 

[alang1216]

Equal opportunity MUST be color blind. Racial preferences are both illegal and immoral.

You presume we have a color blind society. I'm not convinced of that.

 

[Unkotare]

You presume we have a color blind society. I'm not convinced of that.

Medical research should really get on that!