Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[alang1216]

You mean the GOP removing laws that permitted leftists to discriminate against white people?

DEI allows for hiring a black who is less qualified than a white - simply due to skin color. THAT is racist.

Why is it leftists are OK with racism when it goes against whites?

Speaking for me, unlike many people, I don't believe Blacks are intellectually inferior to other races. When I see statistics that show Blacks are generally poorer and less educated than Whites, I don't attribute it to a lack of ability but a lack of opportunity. I support laws that try to offset that lack of opportunity as a positive for society.

 

[alang1216]

So blacks are better off after all the favoritism for the past 50 years? When they get special advantages over whites for college spots, jobs, and promotions? And that’s been going on for TWO generations?

And they still are behind whites? Well, news flash: that’s because a demographic cannot have 73% of babies out of wedlock, which leads to poverty and high crime rates - and expect to have the same outcomes as a demographic with half that rate.

Once blacks reduce their OOW rate to that equivalent to whites, and maintain that for a generation, THEN we can talk about equal outcomes.

Certainly OOW rates are a serious issue but giving up on those OOW babies is not really an option. If two people run a race in the same time but one is carrying a 50 lb weight, which one is faster?

 

[Lisa558]

Speaking for me, unlike many people, I don't believe Blacks are intellectually inferior to other races. When I see statistics that show Blacks are generally poorer and less educated than Whites, I don't attribute it to a lack of ability but a lack of opportunity. I support laws that try to offset that lack of opportunity as a positive for society.

I attribute it to the high out of wedlock rate - not ability, or lack thereof.

You simply cannot have a demographic that engages in a negative behavior that is correlated to high poverty and crime rates and low educational attainment - and expect that demographic to have the same poverty, crime, and education rates as a demographic that engages in that negative behavior at half the rate.

 

[Lisa558]

Certainly OOW rates are a serious issue but giving up on those OOW babies is not really an option. If two people run a race in the same time but one is carrying a 50 lb weight, which one is faster?

How are we “giving up” on those babies? We provide food and medical care, education, and Pell Grants to help them acquire a career.

What about the parents not putting the 50 lb weight on their baby in the first place? That is what they are doing by having out-of-wedlock babies they cant even support.

 

[JoeB131]

Modern woke pseudo-history paints a fabricated story of slavery; that white men came to Africa, stole Africans from their lands, and brought them to America. It was White American men, and only White American men, who were guilty of this, and it was a large majority of them as well. This was unique to the world at the time and in world history, and is a special evil in the history of mankind.

Nobody has ever claimed that.

It is absolutely true that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, in which Africans captured other Africans and sold them, shipped approximately 12.5 million slaves across the Atlantic to the Americas.

The Issue becomes where those slaves were taken. A woke liberal would probably assume that 12.5 million slaves were taken from Africa and sent to the American south. That would be insanely false. The breakdown looks like this:

• 5.4 million were sent to Brazil
• 3.6 million were sent to the Carribean
• 1.2 million were sent to Jamaica
• 900,000 were sent to St. Dominique (French Colony)
• 889,000 were sent to Cuba
• 470,000 were sent to the United States

Besides these numbers beinq questionable. (There were 790,000 slaves in the US counted in the first Census in 1790, about 18% of the population, and by 1860, that number had grown to 6.5 million.)

Wouldn't you agree that being born into slavery was just as bad as being kidnapped into it? Maybe a little worse, if your whole reason for existence was to be a fungible commodity to be sold. (which is why so many slave owners gleefully raped their female slaves.)

Here's the bigger problem, though. Your number for Brazil is wrong, it was only 1.7 million. In fact, the entire population of Brazil when Slavery ended was only 10 million. But how slavery was administered in Brazil was nowhere near the brutality it was administered in the US, which is why Brazil was able to end slavery without a civil war.

So in this cry of woke left Democrat social justice warriors... cries of the unique evil of America, white men, etc... they make the claims they do when American only partook in 3% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Add to that how there were only about 390,000 slave owners in the USA out of a population of 31 million... and you have approximately 1.2% of the population participating or benefitting from it, yet is that what Democrats, leftists, or educators say, address, or teach?

Again, you are being disingenuous. Out of those 31 million, 6.5 million were slaves, so about 20% of the population was affected. That's why the 3/5th compromise was such a big deal.

So, yes, the systematic enslavement, torture, and rape of 6.5 million people is a big deal.

It becomes a bigger deal when you realize that in the 170 years since slavery ended, most of that was various schemes to keep black people disenfranchised and oppressed, including...

Jim Crow
Segregation
Literacy Tests
Poll Taxes
Sundown Laws
Debt Peonage
Share-cropping
Miscegenation Laws

All of which were designed to keep the black population "in its place".

Now, since you want to keep comparing to Brazil, 45% of Brazil's population is of mixed race.

Slavery is an evil that has existed as long as human history has. All races have been enslaved, many continue to be. As far as America is concerned, it basically happened for 90 years nearly 200 years ago. However, no woke Democrat can legitimately point the finger at the USA as some unique evil in slavery, nor can they say we were any leader in it. They need to point the finger at Africans of the times first, and then all the South American/Brazilian/Carribean nations who were far greater participants.

No, we need to clean up our own house, as the legacy of slavery still exists in the racial disparities in this country.

 

[Hafar1014]

Nobody has ever claimed that.



Besides these numbers beinq questionable. (There were 790,000 slaves in the US counted in the first Census in 1790, about 18% of the population, and by 1860, that number had grown to 6.5 million.)

Wouldn't you agree that being born into slavery was just as bad as being kidnapped into it? Maybe a little worse, if your whole reason for existence was to be a fungible commodity to be sold. (which is why so many slave owners gleefully raped their female slaves.)

Here's the bigger problem, though. Your number for Brazil is wrong, it was only 1.7 million. In fact, the entire population of Brazil when Slavery ended was only 10 million. But how slavery was administered in Brazil was nowhere near the brutality it was administered in the US, which is why Brazil was able to end slavery without a civil war.



Again, you are being disingenuous. Out of those 31 million, 6.5 million were slaves, so about 20% of the population was affected. That's why the 3/5th compromise was such a big deal.

So, yes, the systematic enslavement, torture, and rape of 6.5 million people is a big deal.

It becomes a bigger deal when you realize that in the 170 years since slavery ended, most of that was various schemes to keep black people disenfranchised and oppressed, including...

Jim Crow
Segregation
Literacy Tests
Poll Taxes
Sundown Laws
Debt Peonage
Share-cropping
Miscegenation Laws

All of which were designed to keep the black population "in its place".

Now, since you want to keep comparing to Brazil, 45% of Brazil's population is of mixed race.



No, we need to clean up our own house, as the legacy of slavery still exists in the racial disparities in this country.

Democrats have been exploiting blacks for 200 years

 

[JoeB131]

So have I, from the party of the working class to the party that….

• prioritizes criminals over law-abiders,
• welfare recipients over the working class,
• Islamic terrorists over Jews,
• Iran over Israel,
• racist policies over merit, and
• violent illegal aliens over decent American citizens.

It's still the party of the working class.

They just use your racial, religious, and sexual fears to keep you voting against your own interests.

 

[JoeB131]

I attribute it to the high out of wedlock rate - not ability, or lack thereof.

Except 32% of white babies are born out of wedlock, and they are fine. If you factor in divorce, a majority of white kids are single parent families.

You simply cannot have a demographic that engages in a negative behavior that is correlated to high poverty and crime rates and low educational attainment - and expect that demographic to have the same poverty, crime, and education rates as a demographic that engages in that negative behavior at half the rate.

Again, you are being disingenous. Black people were poor when the OOW birth rate was only 20% among African-Americans.

Also, you discount the effect of slavery on the establishment of familial bonds.

Marriage was illegal before emancipation, and on a more practical level, when your partner or children could be sold off at any time, it's much harder to form those familial bonds. When your partner can be raped by the master with impunity, much harder to form families after that.

Not to discount how the way we mismanage welfare has contributed to the problem. It most certainly has, for all poor people. But as stated above, illegitimacy has grown for ALL races in the US except for Asians, who just aren't into that kind of thing.

 

[Lisa558]

Democrats have been exploiting blacks for 200 years

LBJ said that he’d have the “n’s” (his word) voting Democrat for 200 years once he pushed through the welfare dependent class.

 

[JoeB131]

LBJ said that he’d have the “n’s” (his word) voting Democrat for 200 years once he pushed through the welfare dependent class.

Nope, that was never said.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats have been exploiting blacks for 200 years

Actually, neither party has much to be proud of in race relations in this country.

But right now, the GOP is far worse.

 

[gtopa1]

What "white guilt"?

Don't get me started on Black Fatigue though 'cause it's real.

It's some libtarded retarded state of being asshats.

Greg

 

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I was thinking more about the GOP removing laws that might help Blacks get better jobs, healthcare, housing, and education.

AI Overview

In 2025, a wave of legislative, executive, and regulatory actions led by the Republican Party has targeted Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, affirmative action, and "disparate impact" rules, particularly affecting federal contractors and state-level education systems
. These actions are framed by supporters as returning to "merit-based" policies and removing "discriminatory preferences," while critics argue they dismantle protections against systemic discrimination in employment, housing, and education for Black Americans.
Key areas where these actions have taken place include:

1. Employment and Federal Contracting

• Removal of DEI Programs: Executive orders in 2025 mandated the termination of DEI offices and programs across the federal government and for federal contractors.
• Rescinding Non-Discrimination Orders: The administration rescinded previous orders designed to promote diversity, including 1965 executive orders that prohibited discrimination in federal contracting.
• Apprenticeship Changes: The Department of Labor (DOL) proposed removing requirements for apprenticeship programs to conduct targeted recruitment for minorities, women, and people with disabilities.
• Targeting "Disparate Impact" Rules: In April 2025, an executive order directed agencies to limit the use of the "disparate impact" standard, which had been used to challenge policies that appear neutral but have discriminatory effects.

2. Education

• State-Level DEI Bans: Numerous Republican-led states (Alabama, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Utah, Indiana) signed laws in 2024 and 2025 prohibiting public universities and colleges from maintaining DEI offices, funding DEI activities, or requiring diversity statements in hiring.
• "Divisive Concepts" Restrictions: Legislation in these states often restricts teaching or training on topics related to race, systemic oppression, and implicit bias.
• Department of Education Reductions: Proposals to dismantle or significantly restructure the U.S. Department of Education were initiated, including efforts to cut funding for public K-12 education.

3. Housing and Healthcare

• Fair Housing Enforcement: The administration zeroed out funding for the Fair Housing Initiatives Program (FHIP), which supports non-profit groups that fight housing discrimination.
• Fair Housing Regulations: The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) moved to alter "disparate impact" rules, making it more difficult to challenge housing providers and lenders on discrimination.
• Healthcare Access: Proposed budgets have targeted the reduction of Medicaid funding and the elimination of programs designed to address health disparities for minority populations.

4. Other Policy Areas

• Voting Rights Act: Republican-led initiatives have sought to limit the scope of the Voting Rights Act, specifically targeting the use of race in creating majority-Black districts.
• Economic Relief: Proposed budget plans have aimed to allow enhanced tax credits (like those in the Affordable Care Act) to expire, which critics argue will increase healthcare costs for low-income Black households.

These actions are part of a broader, stated initiative to dismantle what the current administration terms "radical and wasteful government DEI programs" and to promote "color-blind" policies.

And you think that is comparable to the 150 year history of racist and bigoted policies of the Democratic Party?

It seems to me that you have confused a disagreement on solutions with bigotry and racism. I'm not seeing anything that can be classified as racist or bigoted with anything you have posted.

 

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Jim Crow
Segregation
Literacy Tests
Poll Taxes
Sundown Laws
Debt Peonage
Share-cropping
Miscegenation Laws

Remind me again which party was responsible for these laws? And which party fought against those laws?

 

[Hafar1014]

Remind me again which party was responsible for these laws? And which party fought against those laws?

Democrats created those laws

 

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Democrats created those laws

I know.

 

[JoeB131]

Remind me again which party was responsible for these laws? And which party fought against those laws?

Actually, both parties were responsible for those laws. Republicans lost interest in racial equality after the 1876 compromise that let Hayes be president after he lost the election.

It was liberal democrats, not Republicans, who finally put them to an end.

For instance, Debt Peonage was ended in 1942 by FDR. Not because we suddenly felt bad about it, but because we thought it was a bad look complaining about what the Axis was doing when we were still doing that shit.

 

[Lisa558]

It was primarily the southern Democrats in Congress who fought for slavery going back as far as the 1700s.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, both parties were responsible for those laws. Republicans lost interest in racial equality after the 1876 compromise that let Hayes be president after he lost the election.

It was liberal democrats, not Republicans, who finally put them to an end.

For instance, Debt Peonage was ended in 1942 by FDR. Not because we suddenly felt bad about it, but because we thought it was a bad look complaining about what the Axis was doing when we were still doing that shit.

Democrats created those laws and the KKK was all democrats. Democrats exploit blacks even today

 

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Actually, both parties were responsible for those laws. Republicans lost interest in racial equality after the 1876 compromise that let Hayes be president after he lost the election.

It was liberal democrats, not Republicans, who finally put them to an end.

For instance, Debt Peonage was ended in 1942 by FDR. Not because we suddenly felt bad about it, but because we thought it was a bad look complaining about what the Axis was doing when we were still doing that shit.

Not a big fan of truth I see, Joey.