Hegseth Will Investigate Afghanistan Withdrawl

[pknopp]

The Afghanistan withdrawal is a good example of the President vs military dynamic. ALL of the cognizant "generals" told Biden this was a foolish thing to do, but he did it anyway. Then, when the orders were issued, the generals fell in line.

But this same dynamic exists when Presidents (and Secretaries of Defense) do other shit that "the generals" know is stupid shit. Once they have their orders (e.g., DEI) they run with them, even if every fucking one of them knows it's stupid, because to do otherwise would impact their Officer Efficiency Reports - something that no career officer will ever risk.

Don't blame the generals for the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. This is the classic case where "...just following orders..." is a valid defense.

The generals had 20 years and failed. Just the same as every other invading army into Afghanistan.

 

[elektra]

It was.

Yes, Hegseth will investigate to see if, it was the correct thing to do.

It being a hasty retreat
It being leaving behind billions in sophisticated weaponry
It being leaving behind Americans

It being the most screwed up, poorly planned, rescue mission since Jimmy Carter got 3 Marines killed trying to rescue the hostages in Iran.

 

[elektra]

The generals had 20 years and failed. Just the same as every other invading army into Afghanistan.

The generals did not fail, the democrat politician's political policy failed.

 

[pknopp]

Yes, Hegseth will investigate to see if, it was the correct thing to do.

It being a hasty retreat
It being leaving behind billions in sophisticated weaponry
It being leaving behind Americans

It being the most screwed up, poorly planned, rescue mission since Jimmy Carter got 3 Marines killed trying to rescue the hostages in Iran.

Make up your mind. A hasty retreat or he took too long.

 

[elektra]

Make up your mind. A hasty retreat or he took too long.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it took too long.

 

[elektra]

No, Trump withdrew critical support of the Afghan government security forces. He should have withdrawn all troops when he signed off on DOA.

The DOA was the beginning of negotiations, not the final negotiated peace

 

[JoeB131]

This sounds like you are saying they are not people?
Is this what the entire democrat party thinks.

Nope, and i'm sorry your reading comprehension is so poor.

Most Afghans? You don't know and can't know. You are saying most people in Afghanistan don't want freedom.

I'm saying, our definition of "Freedom" is probably different than theirs. Their definition of freedom is probably continuing to live as they have for centuries. The thing about Afghanistan is that we aren't the first outsiders to go in there and try to change them. The Russians, the British, various Indian Rajs, the Mongols, even freaking Alexander the Great. They go in, think they can subjugate those people.

I can guarantee the cute 11 year old boys in Afghanistan have a huge problem being abused sexually by old Afghanistan men.

Okay, how often do you think that's actually happening, given Islam condemns homosexuality in a way that gives American Christians a woody.

The women, you believe want no education or freedom.

Do you believe the 11 year old girls want to be sold as brides?

Again, different culture. They have lived like this for centuries.

 

[JoeB131]

The DOA was the beginning of negotiations, not the final negotiated peace

Are you fucking retarded?

Let's look at what the Taliban got out of DOA.

They got 5000 Taliban fighters released from custody.
They got the US to reduce their troop presence down to 2500 support personnel stationed around Kabul with a complete withdrawal by 2021.

So if you are an Afghan Warlord, knowing that the provisional government is going to be gone soon and the US isn't sending any money, your first instinct would be to get on the good side of the Taliban.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, Hegseth will investigate to see if, it was the correct thing to do.

It being a hasty retreat
It being leaving behind billions in sophisticated weaponry
It being leaving behind Americans

It being the most screwed up, poorly planned, rescue mission since Jimmy Carter got 3 Marines killed trying to rescue the hostages in Iran.

Except it wasn't a rescue mission.

Let's be blunt here. The Taliban had no problem with us leaving. They wanted us to leave.

The attack that killed 13 service members whose graves Trump danced on last year, was perpetrated by ISIS-K

They weren't a party to DOA or any other agreement.

Our agreement was with the Taliban and the Provisional government, the latter of which folded like a cheap suit.

 

[JLW]

I Hegseth does do the investigation, he will find the catastrophic Afghan withdrawal began with the Trump surrender agreement, Yeah, Pete go for it!

 

[pknopp]

I Hegseth does do the investigation. He will find the catastrophic Afghan withdrawal began with the Trump surrender agreement, Yeah, Pete go for it!

It began back in 2002.

 

[JoeB131]

It began back in 2002.

Not exactly.

I think the real problem happened because we didn't go in there with a clear goal.

Our only goal should have been to wipe out Bin Laden and his network. We should not have been in the business of trying to litigate Afghanistan's civil war, which has already been going on since the 1970s. And which we made a lot worse by supporting the Muhajedeen (the Beta version of the Taliban) against the Soviets.

I think Obama also erred in that he escalated it even after Karzai stole the 2009 election.

 

[pknopp]

Not exactly.

I think the real problem happened because we didn't go in there with a clear goal.

Our only goal should have been to wipe out Bin Laden and his network. We should not have been in the business of trying to litigate Afghanistan's civil war, which has already been going on since the 1970s. And which we made a lot worse by supporting the Muhajedeen (the Beta version of the Taliban) against the Soviets.

I think Obama also erred in that he escalated it even after Karzai stole the 2009 election.

OBL left as soon as we came. He left, we stayed.

 

[elektra]

I Hegseth does do the investigation, he will find the catastrophic Afghan withdrawal began with the Trump surrender agreement, Yeah, Pete go for it!

The agreement that established the conditions of the peace talks.

See, this is what happens when low intelligence democrats get elected and do the reporting. An agreement to have peace talks is misunderstood by democrats to be a surrender agreement.

Of course democrats are always looking to surrender after they start a war or find themselves in a war.

It was an agreement to negotiate peace in the future, which did not happen.

Democrats own Afghanistan. Start to finish.

Hegseth will have an investigation conducted and we will then now the truth.

 

[dudmuck]

The agreement that established the conditions of the peace talks.

See, this is what happens when low intelligence democrats get elected and do the reporting. An agreement to have peace talks is misunderstood by democrats to be a surrender agreement.

Of course democrats are always looking to surrender after they start a war or find themselves in a war.

It was an agreement to negotiate peace in the future, which did not happen.

Democrats own Afghanistan. Start to finish.

Hegseth will have an investigation conducted and we will then now the truth.

 

[Clipper]

Hegseth is on the right track. Finally transparency and justice for the Unuted States Marines that the democrats sent to die.

Our Marines could not defend themselves, why! We will finally get answers

Exclusive: Hegseth Has Tapped Investigators for Afghanistan Withdrawal

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told Breitbart News that he has chosen investigators who will look into the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.

www.breitbart.com

“We’ve already identified folks that’ll be in charge of that full investigation inside the Pentagon,” Hegseth said in the interview Thursday.

“I don’t have a timeframe on it. Sadly, we’ve already waited two-and-a-half years, three years since what occurred. I don’t want to wait longer, but I always want to get it right,” he said.

FLASHBACK — Gen. Mark Milley Admits Joe Biden’s Afghanistan Evacuation a “Strategic Failure”:

Who's scared of booze hound Petey? Nobody with a brain. That fuck can't walk & chew gum at the same time.

 

[kyzr]

I want to know who told the US sniper not to shoot the suicide bomber. Who made the call that killed 13 Americans?

 

[elektra]

Okay, how often do you think that's actually happening, given Islam condemns homosexuality in a way that gives American Christians a woody.

Again, different culture. They have lived like this for centuries.

How often do Afghanistan 49 year old men take 10 year old boys as sex slaves. Often enough that every member of the military that served in Afghanistan states this as fact.

 

[elektra]

Who's scared of booze hound Petey? Nobody with a brain. That fuck can't walk & chew gum at the same time.

Yet he has achieved success that you will never know for yourself.

 

[Scoutster]

Ultimately, I was happy we got the fuck out, but our departure was a cluster fuck. People falling off US plane in the air, marines dying at the end. It wasn’t good.