Hegseth Will Investigate Afghanistan Withdrawl

[elektra]

Please forgive the source of this link and quote. I know that CNN, CBS, Reuters, The Huffington post are the source of facts, but what the hell. Read this.

Gee folks, even a place that hates Trump stated that DOHA, was to be followed by MORE negotiations

Doha Meeting on Afghanistan Provides Critical Opportunity to Discuss Women’s Rights, Speaker Tells Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

With preparations under way for a United Nations-hosted meeting between the Taliban, Member State envoys and other stakeholders, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Afghanistan, briefing the Security Council today, called for greater flexibility while stressing that...

press.un.org

Roza Otunbayeva, Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), noted that the upcoming meeting in Doha, the third one in this format, is scheduled to take place in nine days and the de facto authorities have stated that they are preparing to attend. “We hope that in Doha, key stakeholders will convene around the table, speak to each other face to face, reinforce the principles underlining the consensus to engage, and agree on next steps to alleviate the uncertainties that face the Afghan people,” she said.

But, she warned, Doha “has generated significant expectations that cannot realistically be met in a single meeting”.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's the problem
You are claiming DOHA is a document the resolved and ended our engagement. It is not. Anybody who thinks a three page document ends a war is a fool. Seriously.

Wars are typically always ended with a treaty that is hundreds of pages long.

DOHA states the the intra-Afghan negotiations would follow

Democrats will only discuss headlines, talking points. The nuances of foreign policy are beyond a democrat's comprehension and will never be discussed.

Claiming 3 pages ended the Afghanistan war is pure stupidity. There is no other way to state it

No, dummy, wars end when one side achieves its objectives.

The Taliban won the war at Doha when Trump signed an agreement with them that didn't include the Afghan Government. They got the Americans to withdraw, stop funding the Afghan Government, close all their bases, and release all their prisoners. The Taliban won. It was just a matter of them claiming their prizes on a given day.

You know, just like he's going to give Russia everything they want in Ukraine without involving Zelenskyy.

This is what Trump does. He signs terrible deals, leaves someone else to sort out the mess, and pats himself on the back for how smart he is.

And your stupid ass keeps drinking the bleach.

And, here is the problem with your opinion. It is wrong.

Trump did not sign an agreement with the Taliban in any way shape or form. You think so, feel free to post the document with Trump's and the Taliban's signatures.

That's the Doha Agreement. Pompeo signed for him. Now, he wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David, but his own advisors told him what a bad look that would be.

 

[JoeB131]

Please forgive the source of this link and quote. I know that CNN, CBS, Reuters, The Huffington post are the source of facts, but what the hell. Read this.

Gee folks, even a place that hates Trump stated that DOHA, was to be followed by MORE negotiations

Doha Meeting on Afghanistan Provides Critical Opportunity to Discuss Women’s Rights, Speaker Tells Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

With preparations under way for a United Nations-hosted meeting between the Taliban, Member State envoys and other stakeholders, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Afghanistan, briefing the Security Council today, called for greater flexibility while stressing that...

press.un.org

Roza Otunbayeva, Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), noted that the upcoming meeting in Doha, the third one in this format, is scheduled to take place in nine days and the de facto authorities have stated that they are preparing to attend. “We hope that in Doha, key stakeholders will convene around the table, speak to each other face to face, reinforce the principles underlining the consensus to engage, and agree on next steps to alleviate the uncertainties that face the Afghan people,” she said.

But, she warned, Doha “has generated significant expectations that cannot realistically be met in a single meeting”.

Wow, are you dense? Do you have some kind of learning disability?

Everyone knew when Doha was signed, there weren't going to be any negotiations or agreements. The Taliban was violating the terms of Doha the minute it was signed, and Trump did nothing about it.

https://www.axios.com/2021/08/20/trump-taliban-agreement-doha-biden

Former UN ambassador Nikki Haley, who resigned from the Trump administration before the agreement was finalized, tweeted Wednesday: "Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil."

• Flashback: Haley praised Trump's goal of reaching a deal with the Taliban in January 2018, and she was still in the administration when it started seeking direct talks with Taliban officials in July 2018.

Former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told Defense One this week that Trump's agreement was actually a "play" to mask his administration's true intentions, which were to broker a Taliban-led government that would allow a small number of U.S. troops to remain in the country to conduct counterterrorism missions.

• Miller's claims come despite Trump repeatedly publicly revealing his desire to end the Afghanistan War and his significant troop reductions in the final months of his administration.

Lisa Curtis, a former senior National Security Council official who sat alongside Afghanistan envoy Zalmay Khalilzad during the negotiations with the Taliban, told AP: "The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban."

Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who was fired by Trump in November 2020, said he believed at the time the agreement was signed that it should have been "conditions-based," which is in part why he later objected to Trump's call for a Christmas homecoming for U.S. troops.

• Esper told CNN that although Biden is responsible for the outcome in Afghanistan, Trump "undermined" the agreement and weakened U.S. leverage in negotiations by impatiently calling for troop reductions in the country.

John Bolton and H.R. McMaster, two former Trump national security advisers known for their hawkish views, have lambasted both Trump and Biden for the withdrawal — though both have long been critical of the Taliban agreement.

• "Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," McMaster said on Bari Weiss' podcast. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves."
• Bolton told CNN: "Had Trump been re-elected, he’d be doing the same thing. On this question of withdrawal from Afghanistan, Trump and Biden are like Tweedledee and Tweedledum."

 

[rightwinger]

Good idea!

Let Hegseth investigate the deal Trump made with the Taliban

 

[elektra]

No, dummy, wars end when one side achieves its objectives.

The Taliban won the war at Doha when Trump signed an agreement with them that didn't include the Afghan Government.

Trump never signed an agreement with the taliban. You think so produce the document

 

[elektra]

No, dummy, wars end when one side achieves its objectives.

The Taliban won the war at Doha when Trump signed an agreement with them that didn't include the Afghan Government. They got the Americans to withdraw, stop funding the Afghan Government, close all their bases, and release all their prisoners. The Taliban won. It was just a matter of them claiming their prizes on a given day.

You know, just like he's going to give Russia everything they iopp

The United Nations disagrees with you
Roza Otunbayeva, Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), noted that the upcoming meeting in Doha, the third one in this format, is scheduled to take place in nine days and the de facto authorities have stated that they are preparing to attend. “We hope that in Doha, key stakeholders will convene around the table, speak to each other face to face, reinforce the principles underlining the consensus to engage, and agree on next steps to alleviate the uncertainties that face the Afghan people,” she said.

But, she warned, Doha “has generated significant expectations that cannot realistically be met in a single meeting”.

 

[elektra]

And your stupid ass keeps drinking the bleach.

That's the Doha Agreement. Pompeo signed for him.

Pompeo did not sign the DOHA agreement

You made it up when you said Trump signed DOHA
You are making it up when you say Pompeo signed the agreement

You cite articles that make false claims.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump never signed an agreement with the taliban. You think so produce the document

You think the lack of a signature on an agreement we carried out is meaningful?

The United Nations disagrees with you
Roza Otunbayeva, Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), noted that the upcoming meeting in Doha, the third one in this format, is scheduled to take place in nine days and the de facto authorities have stated that they are preparing to attend. “We hope that in Doha, key stakeholders will convene around the table, speak to each other face to face, reinforce the principles underlining the consensus to engage, and agree on next steps to alleviate the uncertainties that face the Afghan people,” she said.

But, she warned, Doha “has generated significant expectations that cannot realistically be met in a single meeting”.

Oh, get real, this is diplomatic speak for "We're all going through the motions". Everyone knew what was up.

It's why Ghani (the last President) squirreled away a bunch of cash when he fled.

Pompeo did not sign the DOHA agreement

You made it up when you said Trump signed DOHA
You are making it up when you say Pompeo signed the agreement

You cite articles that make false claims.

Not sure why you think a signature makes a difference.
The agreement called for certain things, and we did them (Drew down the troops, released Taliban prisoners, etc.)

On principle, I have no problem with Doha. Doha recognized the reality that the Afghans were never going to love bikinis, Coca-Cola and Democracy.

We needed to stop throwing good money after bad, and Trump and Biden deserve some credit for doing a painful thing.

Where I have the problem is Trump taking no responsibility for his part in the deal.

 

[elektra]

You think the lack of a signature on an agreement we carried out is meaningful?

Not sure why you think a signature makes a difference.

You claimed Trump signed
You claimed Pompeo signed
Your claims are false

You brought up signatures hence it is you who thought it was significant. Until it is shown you are wrong now, it does not even matter if a document is signed?

 

[JoeB131]

You claimed Trump signed
You claimed Pompeo signed
Your claims are false

You brought up signatures hence it is you who thought it was significant. Until it is shown you are wrong now, it does not even matter if a document is signed?

YOu are too focused on the issue of signatures. Trump wanted to bring the Taliban leadership to Camp David for a signing photo-op, but his advisors told him how horrible that would look.

Behind Trump’s Taliban Debacle | Crisis Group

On 7 September, U.S. President Donald Trump made the startling announcement that he had invited Taliban leaders to Camp David for talks – and then cancelled the gathering. Crisis Group Asia Program Director Laurel Miller and consultant Graeme Smith explain what happened and what it means for...

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The key thing was that - wait for it - we agreed to do certain things and we did them.

The Taliban agreed to do certain things and didn't do them, because they knew Trump wouldn't enforce the deal.

Because everyone knew Trump just wanted it to be over, some time after the 2020 election.

 

[elektra]

YOu are too focused on the issue of signatures.

You brought up signatures repeatedly. Now that we see no official that could end our involvement signed any document you claimed.

You made a false claim. You have no integrity on this issue

 

[JoeB131]

You brought up signatures repeatedly. Now that we see no official that could end our involvement signed any document you claimed.

You made a false claim. You have no integrity on this issue

Yawn, we made an agreement, which we followed and the Taliban didn't. I know, it's unusual to see Trump adhere to an agreement, he usually tries to pull some kind of scam.

Why do you keep trying to pretend Doha didn't happen?

 

[elektra]

Why do you keep trying to pretend Doha didn't happen?

DOHA was never an agreement to end the war.

Why do you pretend DOHA is something it is not

 

[JoeB131]

DOHA was never an agreement to end the war.

Why do you pretend DOHA is something it is not

Uh, when one side agrees to give up and surrender, that usually means the end of a war.

Why do you pretend it isn't exactly what it said it was?

 

[busybee01]

Hegseth is on the right track. Finally transparency and justice for the Unuted States Marines that the democrats sent to die.

Our Marines could not defend themselves, why! We will finally get answers

Exclusive: Hegseth Has Tapped Investigators for Afghanistan Withdrawal

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told Breitbart News that he has chosen investigators who will look into the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.

www.breitbart.com

“We’ve already identified folks that’ll be in charge of that full investigation inside the Pentagon,” Hegseth said in the interview Thursday.

“I don’t have a timeframe on it. Sadly, we’ve already waited two-and-a-half years, three years since what occurred. I don’t want to wait longer, but I always want to get it right,” he said.

FLASHBACK — Gen. Mark Milley Admits Joe Biden’s Afghanistan Evacuation a “Strategic Failure”:

We know this will not be a honest investigation. It will be used to go after Trump's political enemies. Trump contributed to the problems by locking the Afghan government out of the talks. In addition, Trump did nothing as the Taliban violated the agreement. He rewarded this by withdrawing troops at a rapid rate.

 

[elektra]

We know this will not be a honest investigation. It will be used to go after Trump's political enemies. Trump contributed to the problems by locking the Afghan government out of the talks. In addition, Trump did nothing as the Taliban violated the agreement. He rewarded this by withdrawing troops at a rapid rate.

How come this is the one thing Trump did that democrats agreed with

 

[JoeB131]

How come this is the one thing Trump did that democrats agreed with

Because it would have had to have happened no matter who was in office.

The problem we have is he takes no ownership in his part of the issue. He was just happy to leave this flaming bag of dogshit on Biden's porch.

 

[elektra]

Because it would have had to have happened no matter who was in office.

The problem we have is he takes no ownership in his part of the issue. He was just happy to leave this flaming bag of dogshit on Biden's porch.

Yeah, that is bad (cause you dont leave a flaming bag of dogshit on an old man's porch ringing the doorbell and running let alone doing that to an old man dying of dementia.) Of course, you ignore the fact that Trump tried to win the election so what you call a, "flaming bag of dogshit" Trump himself intended to deal with. It was not meant for Biden

Your narrative is false. Trump never cut and run, Trump gave none of our weapons away, Trump intended on finishing the job.

Democrats were very effective, impeaching Trump twice, tying up all of Trump's time.

And so much more the democrats were doing to make Trump fail.

Ownership, Trump owned a modern military airport and 10's of billions in weapons. Biden gave them away.

Further, when 23 Marines are killed in combat, you destroy the enemy. You don't run away like a sissy.

 

[JoeB131]

My days of thinking you are retarded are definitely coming to a middle.

Yeah, that is bad (cause you dont leave a flaming bag of dogshit on an old man's porch ringing the doorbell and running let alone doing that to an old man dying of dementia.) Of course, you ignore the fact that Trump tried to win the election so what you call a, "flaming bag of dogshit" Trump himself intended to deal with. It was not meant for Biden

But there was always the possibility he would lose, that's the thing.

Your narrative is false. Trump never cut and run, Trump gave none of our weapons away, Trump intended on finishing the job.

Trump reduced the troop level to 2500 with direction to get them out in May 2021. The weapons had already been transferred to the Afghan military.

What job was Trump planning on finishing? He essentially gave the Taliban everything they wanted, except the photo op at Camp David, and he had to be talked out of that by his staff.

Democrats were very effective, impeaching Trump twice, tying up all of Trump's time.

One of those impeachments happened after he left. The other one had nothing to do with Afghanistan, it had to do with him trying to sell out Ukraine (a job he's finishing now.)

And so much more the democrats were doing to make Trump fail.

Trump failed in his first term because he was grossly incompetent. His second term will be much, much worse.

Ownership, Trump owned a modern military airport and 10's of billions in weapons. Biden gave them away.

A modern military airport that was useless, given the people we wanted to evacuate were in Kabul. Here's the problem. All planning was contingent on the Afghan government not folding like a cheap suit.

Further, when 23 Marines are killed in combat, you destroy the enemy. You don't run away like a sissy.

It was only 13, and they weren't killed by the Taliban. They were killed by ISIS-K, a splinter group of ISIS, who are also fighting the Taliban for control of Afghanistan.

None of which would have been an issue if Trump hadn't cut out the legs from beneath the Afghan Government.

Oh, look, here's a picture of the US signing the Doha Accords.

Taliban Warn Turning Away from Afghan Peace Deal ‘Doomed to Failure’

Biden administration is currently reviewing the deal his predecessor, Donald Trump, sealed with the Afghan insurgency and deciding whether to pull the remaining 2,500 American soldiers from Afghanistan to close America’s longest war

www.voanews.com

Kabul was unhappy with the Doha accord because it was kept out of it.

Meanwhile, the United Nations has reported the Afghan violence has also intensified since the start of the talks, with civilians bearing the brunt of it.

More than 3,000 civilians were killed and 5,800 were injured in Afghanistan in 2020, the U.N office in Kabul said last week. The annual report said civilian casualties rose 45% after the start of the intra-Afghan negotiations.

Afghan leaders allege the Trump administration’s decision to leave Kabul out of the February 2020 agreement has only emboldened the Taliban to intensify military assaults and drag their feet in the peace talks.

The insurgents dismiss Afghan President Ashraf Ghani’s government as an illegitimate entity they say stemmed from the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan.

 

[Doc7505]

Hegseth is on the right track. Finally transparency and justice for the Unuted States Marines that the democrats sent to die.

Our Marines could not defend themselves, why! We will finally get answers

Exclusive: Hegseth Has Tapped Investigators for Afghanistan Withdrawal

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told Breitbart News that he has chosen investigators who will look into the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.

www.breitbart.com

“We’ve already identified folks that’ll be in charge of that full investigation inside the Pentagon,” Hegseth said in the interview Thursday.

“I don’t have a timeframe on it. Sadly, we’ve already waited two-and-a-half years, three years since what occurred. I don’t want to wait longer, but I always want to get it right,” he said.

FLASHBACK — Gen. Mark Milley Admits Joe Biden’s Afghanistan Evacuation a “Strategic Failure”:

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Update!!

Hegseth Launches Investigation into Biden’s Disastrous Afghanistan Withdrawal, Promises Accountability​

JUST IN: Hegseth Launches Investigation into Biden's Disastrous Afghanistan Withdrawal, Promises Accountability | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

Pete Hegseth has announced a full investigation into Biden’s failed 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal, which caused the death of 13 U.S.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

20 May 2025 ~~ By Jordan Conradson

Pete Hegseth has announced a full investigation into Biden’s failed 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal, which caused the death of 13 U.S. service members and 170 civilians at the Kabul International Airport.
On August 26, 2021, the Biden Administration led a withdrawal from the country, where they allowed hundreds of ISIS militants to surround Kabul airport. Suicide bombings were reported amid the chaos as Afghans attempted to enter the airport and flee the Taliban.
The Biden Administration left the country in the hands of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS-K, and the Al-Qanni terrorists.
The Gateway Pundit reported that the White House left behind $85 billion worth of U.S. military equipment and Black Hawk Helicopters for the Taliban.
Additionally, The Gateway Pundit readers recall that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley, and CentCom Commander General Kenneth McKenzie all knew about the Kabul Airport terrorist bombing at the Abbey Gate hours in advance.
~Snip~
Hegseth released a Memo on Tuesday, announcing his review of the catastrophic failure.
"The Department of Defense has an obligation, both to the American people and to the warfighters who sacrificed their youth in Afghanistan, to get to the facts," the memo states, noting that the incident has been under review for three months, and a "comprehensive review" is necessary. The goal of the review is to "ensure ACCOUNTABILITY to the American people and the warfighters of our great Nation," the memo concludes.

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Commentary:
Austin and especially Milley have a lot to explain their actions regarding the Afghanistan debacle.
Start at the top and work down.
Recall them to active duty. Convene Courts Martial. Demote them and strip them of their pensions.
Use the time honored system of cashiering them for their failure to uphold their oaths and honor.