Heavy Precipitation Over the US: Has it Increased as Some have Predicted it Should?

[Saigon]

If you don't believe the Australian grape harvest news from 2012 ---- How about 2011???

This is embarrassingly good...

NO EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING CITED for the 2012 crush

Ah, so they should have drought EVERY YEAR, should they?

Really....what ARE you talking about?

This is embarassing posting from you, Flac.

For the 100th time - Australia suffered terrible droughts in 2008 and 2009. They also had catastrophic floods in 2010.

It is worth reading Katz' link above - which explains that some areas suffered drought for a decade! These droughts have become more common, more intense and more devastating - and it is no surprise to me that not one of you guys is willing to discuss why that might be.

 

[flacaltenn]

If you don't believe the Australian grape harvest news from 2012 ---- How about 2011???

This is embarrassingly good...

NO EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING CITED for the 2012 crush

Ah, so they should have drought EVERY YEAR, should they?

Really....what ARE you talking about?

This is embarassing posting from you, Flac.

For the 100th time - Australia suffered terrible droughts in 2008 and 2009. They also had catastrophic floods in 2010.

It is worth reading Katz' link above - which explains that some areas suffered drought for a decade! These droughts have become more common, more intense and more devastating - and it is no surprise to me that not one of you guys is willing to discuss why that might be.

"""For the 100th time - Australia suffered terrible droughts in 2008 and 2009. They also had catastrophic floods in 2010."""

REALLY? Then why was the wine grape harvest in 2008 36% HIGHER? The reason we don't want to discuss WHY is because you haven't established a valid assertion...
Give it up shill -- move on.. Let's discuss something REAL...

 

[Saigon]

Flac -

Much of this was answered in the story...

The harvest for 2008 was higher because farmers spent masive, unsutainable amount on water to get the harvest in. This would have been a better option than abandoning that harvest.

There were also good harvests in SA and Tas - the drought effected more NSW, NT, VIC and Qld.

Some of those farmers then quit the industry, and we know this because the land used for grape in declining each year starting from 2008.

Again, droughts are becoming more common, more frequent and more detructive. That does not mean they happen every year.

There have alo been 6 other stories linked - so far no poster has been willing to face up to them.

 

[Saigon]

Raon given for not dicussing the impact of climate change on winemaking:

- because the drought was not global (Frank)
- because the word 'plow' is not used in the links (Dave)
- because there was no drought in 2011 (Flac)
- because there have been droughts before (Katz)

Meanwhile, farmers in your own country are experiencing the same patterns for the same reasons, and you guys refuse to even discuss why that might be.

 

[flacaltenn]

Flac -

Much of this was answered in the story...

The harvest for 2008 was higher because farmers spent masive, unsutainable amount on water to get the harvest in. This would have been a better option than abandoning that harvest.

There were also good harvests in SA and Tas - the drought effected more NSW, NT, VIC and Qld.

Some of those farmers then quit the industry, and we know this because the land used for grape in declining each year starting from 2008.

Again, droughts are becoming more common, more frequent and more detructive. That does not mean they happen every year.

There have alo been 6 other stories linked - so far no poster has been willing to face up to them.

The 2008 story was answered in WHAT STORY? That link to the NY Times that was written on speculation BEFORE the harvest?

No problem in 2008, 2011 or 2012 --- where do you INSIST on looking now?

Australian wine grapes are OVERPLANTED. The GOOD land was under cultivation since about 2000. They are trying to use MARGINAL land in order to stretch the industry. What part of that don't you understand? Are you saying that NONE of land under cultivation RELIES NORMALLY on irrigation to make it viable? I guarantee that's not true for the majority of the interior.

Do you realize it takes about 10 years to prove the viability of a vineyard? I know -- I have grown grapes. They are one of the most difficult crops on the face of the planet.

It's the same madness that forces farmers in the California central valley (a virtual DESERT in the summertime) to attempt to grow rice and cotton.

All of this is NOT A SCIENTIFIC INDICATION of Global Warming because of the number of extraneous variables.

I SUGGEST ----------------------- you concentrate on the ACTUAL WEATHER EVENTS in order to attempt to prove your points. At least THERE -- you have a more direct case.
But if I have to tell you that --- then the effort is probably pointless for you to invest in.

 

[Saigon]

Flac -

The 2008 drought was one of the most crippling in Australian history, but there have also been droughts in:

2009
2008
2007
2006
2003
1995
1994
1991

Drought in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given you have grown grape yourself, perhap you can now understand why winemakers are choosing to quit farming grapes rather than try and ignore the increasing frequency and intensity of droughts.

Do you realize it takes about 10 years to prove the viability of a vineyard?

Then it is a good thing the Hunter has a century of winemaking history behind it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Flac -

Much of this was answered in the story...

The harvest for 2008 was higher because farmers spent masive, unsutainable amount on water to get the harvest in. This would have been a better option than abandoning that harvest.

There were also good harvests in SA and Tas - the drought effected more NSW, NT, VIC and Qld.

Some of those farmers then quit the industry, and we know this because the land used for grape in declining each year starting from 2008.

Again, droughts are becoming more common, more frequent and more detructive. That does not mean they happen every year.

There have alo been 6 other stories linked - so far no poster has been willing to face up to them.

"Very fruity and aromatic with a hint of Global Warming"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Raon given for not dicussing the impact of climate change on winemaking:

- because the drought was not global (Frank)
- because the word 'plow' is not used in the links (Dave)
- because there was no drought in 2011 (Flac)
- because there have been droughts before (Katz)

Meanwhile, farmers in your own country are experiencing the same patterns for the same reasons, and you guys refuse to even discuss why that might be.

Castello il Palagio - Indice

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Raon given for not dicussing the impact of climate change on winemaking:

- because the drought was not global (Frank)
- because the word 'plow' is not used in the links (Dave)
- because there was no drought in 2011 (Flac)
- because there have been droughts before (Katz)

Meanwhile, farmers in your own country are experiencing the same patterns for the same reasons, and you guys refuse to even discuss why that might be.

For the record, The climate is always changing, but taking every local weather story and saying, "See that?! Manmade Global Warning!" is not science

 

[Saigon]

Frank -

Would you mind keeping the mindless spamming to a minimum?

It is possible that someone else is willing to discuss the topic senibly.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank -

Would you mind keeping the mindless spamming to a minimum?

It is possible that someone else is willing to discuss the topic senibly.

What caused the northern US and Canada to deglaciate over these past 14,000 years?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What caused the northern US and Canada to deglaciate over these past 14,000 years?

 

[westwall]

Well, one can always expect our local ignoramouses to be denying the obvious. In 2011 we had such an extreme weather pattern that the Mississippi and Missiouri rivers were at flood stage or above from March to September. This year, we have had such a nearly continent wide drought that there is major damage to homes because of soil drying and shrinking in 40 of the 48 states. Damages to private homes that totals to over a billion dollars.

Once more, we are having a year world wide in which extreme precipitation events, too much or a lack of precipitation, are happening at a far higher rate than in the past decades.

Here's a wake up for you olfraud.....the Mississippi River flood plain is 200 miles wide in places....guess what, the river didn't even come close to it's historical maximum level. Not even close. In 1862 there was a rain storm that hit California and the entire Central Valley was under water. Just think of that for a minute....200 miles long by 30 miles wide was under water..... and you think these little storms are a big deal?

 

[westwall]

Frank -

Would you mind keeping the mindless spamming to a minimum?

It is possible that someone else is willing to discuss the topic senibly.

Fine, explain how California's Central Valley was deluged in 1862 and the entire 200 mile by 30 mile valley was flooded to a depth of around 15 feet. How did that happen with no CO2 to blame?

 

[westwall]

Flac -

The 2008 drought was one of the most crippling in Australian history, but there have also been droughts in:

2009
2008
2007
2006
2003
1995
1994
1991

Drought in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given you have grown grape yourself, perhap you can now understand why winemakers are choosing to quit farming grapes rather than try and ignore the increasing frequency and intensity of droughts.

Do you realize it takes about 10 years to prove the viability of a vineyard?

Then it is a good thing the Hunter has a century of winemaking history behind it.

How about extending it back there a little fraud boy....
Drought in Australia is as natural as ice is in the Antarctic. But you would never know that based on the cherry picked data you dishonest people use...


The number at the end of the date is the number of days the drought lasted. And for the record the frequency, severity and length of drought is unchanged no matter how much you lie about it.

Longford, Tasmania 1858 92
1863 Oatlands, Tasmania: ?
1864 Drought source Year Book Australia (3) 1866
1868 Drought source Year Book Australia 1868
1880 Drought source Year Book Australia 1886
1888 Drought source Year Book Australia 1888
1895 Australia-Wide: Federation Drought 1903 2921
1911 Most States, Australia: Drought 1916 1826
1918 Most States, Australia: Drought 1920 730
1939 Most States, Australia: Drought 1945 2192
1951 Northern Australia: Drought 1954 1096
1958 Most States: Drought 1968 3896
1982 Eastern Australia: 1983 334
1987 Southern WA and SA: 1988 152
1991 Eastern and Northern Australia: 1996 1826
1996 Tasmania and Victoria: Drought 2000 1461
1996 Eastern and North-Western Tasmania: 2001 1673



http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/droughthistory.html#4

 

[Saigon]

Westwall -

I'm not sure why you are finding this difficult to understand - of course Australia has aways had droughts.

The issue here is how OFTEN they occur, and how SEVERE they are.

The Australian Met Office have stated that droughts are becoming more frequent. I linked this earlier.