Zone1 Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I have been thinking a lot about the popular beliefs around heaven and hell and can't justify any of it. My line of thinking is a comparison/contrast of the afterlife and our current situation as mortal beings on planet Earth. Let's look at some points of consideration.

If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.

If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!

Immediately I can see that regardless of any good or evil acts during my mortal existence that I will have eternal life after death. Where I go is up for debate.

Now, what do we have that we will lose or gain one way or the other?

In my perfect and pure eternal body in my heavenly abode, I will live without hunger, thirst, carnal desires (hopefully not), and other undesirable aspects of human existence. No sickness or disease, no pain, and no death.


Now, in Hell, this is the eternal abode of evil and un-repenting souls who will suffer unspeakable pain forever as a punishment for being evil.

Heaven, is perfect, pleasant, hope fulfilled, and eternal. Hell, is painful, foul, entirely hopeless, and also eternal.

Mortal existence is imperfect, destructive, hopeless (without God), and temporary.

I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.

I find myself having real sympathy for the Devil as the adversary of a God that would believe it was his blessing to create such a dark and evil universe and make us struggle here as mortals, only to die and be judged like this. Even a heavenly afterlife seems evil when I really think about this deal.

Of course, if I go with my other concept, of creation as a heat engine or mere entertainment as a fireworks display for God to be amused, then I really have respect for Satan and his rebellion against God.

I could be a real Satanist if those political posers and their Baphomet BS wasn't the accepted norm now-a-days. It is so true that evil grows with ignorance.

Bottom line, humanity is extremely screwed up and the dark and evil universe created us with natural selection to make sure we ended up this way.

 

[Thunk]

I was going to reply...but your mind is made up.

Anything I say will fall upon deaf ears.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Please, elaborate. I'd like you to share with me. I am being sincere.

I'm not as bad as you may think. I will only thank you for your input.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I was going to reply...but your mind is made up.

Anything I say will fall upon deaf ears.

Please, elaborate. I'd like you to share with me. I am being sincere.

 

[Thunk]

If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.

Well, lets start there...it isn't true.

Not trying to bash you or anything but you need to dig deeper & get a better understanding. This is a "surface understanding" of things.

There is nothing you can do to "EARN" heaven. Heaven is a gift, already bought and paid for by Jesus...and He has already offered it to you. But Jesus can't force you to accept it, Nor does He want to.

Thunk of it as I offered you a gift...you wouldn't have to accept it...you could just say "no thanks" and walk away.

To accept it is to BELIEVE that Jesus is the doorway into heaven...He is the savior and only thru Him can we enter.

 

[Thunk]

For a practical application in ones life...I would suggest they show a little GRATITUDE.

Say thanks once in a while...A good reminder is to say grace over our food...just say Thanks for the food God. You will notice your life changing for the better very quickly.

 

[Thunk]

I will have eternal life after death.

Not so sure about that...it's entirely possible that you burn to ash & cease to exist. I don't know one way or another...but I wouldn't discount the possibility.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Why would I need Jesus as a savior if God had created a perfect universe where "evil" wasn't a factor? If God's creation was perfect, as God is, then why the need for all this? I believe God is essentially an evil being and the rest is bullshit. I don't think God gives a shit about my existence one way or the other.

Regardless, I thank you.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

If I wasn't born evil, an innocent soul at birth, why in heaven or hell must I endure this mortal life?

If this is to teach me some lesson, I don't understand the lesson plan.

 

[Mortis]

There is a Hell, Michigan. I have been there.
There is also a Paradise, Michigan. I have also been there.

My point?

I have been to Hell and back!

Seriously, I don't believe there is a Hell.
Sure, we all say that "We're going to Hell!"
But I don't think Spiritually, we are ever going there. I believe the Spirits roam the earth, in the Afterlife.

 

[Thunk]

if God had created a perfect universe where "evil" wasn't a factor?

Where did you get that from?

See...there's just too much to type & you don't seem receptive to so digging and some hard work at trying to understand.

You just have these very rudimentary talking point that really aren't accurate. WAY too much to type!

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Say grace over my meals, there's a good one. I wonder what excuse God has for the death and destruction of his creation in order to perpetuate human-kind, generation after generation, for what? To either punish us or elevate us to his level after we suffer and die?

 

[Thunk]

I don't understand the lesson plan.

Join the club. Maybe it's that way for God too.

Maybe God is seeing thru our eyes, and feeling our feelings...and that is giving Him a better understanding of all that is.

Then again...maybe not...it's just one possible hypothesis.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

Thanks for basically proving to me there is no good argument for salvation after we die. I told you I'd thank you for your input.

 

[Thunk]

To either punish us or elevate us to his level after we suffer and die?

Yup...your mind is made up...I shall abandon this thread.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I want to believe in salvation, I believed once. I am not afraid of what comes next, the void is timeless, unlike my mortal existence.

Like I believe in Satan, what fools surround me? My problem is I believe in God the creator of all things. And I am beginning to hate that guy.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

I don't appreciate those confessed Christians who don't want to confront this. I want my beliefs to be on solid ground, like is promised to believers. If you have true faith, nothing I say could make you flee, you should fear nothing. I should be afraid, but I am not.

 

[Thunk]

If you have true faith, nothing I say could make you flee, you should fear nothing.

I'm not affraid...I just don't like wasting my time or mental energy on somebody who's not even a little bit receptive to what I say.

 

[Thunk]

It sounds to me like you'd rather argue than attempt to come to an understanding.

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

And your opinion sounds like complete bullshit to avoid my premise. But that is just me, I'm sure the choir agrees with you.