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And yet memos in early January were circulating talking about how bad it was going to be. And when Dems were starting to talk about how bad it could get, they were ridiculed by this administration as alarmist, panicking and contributing to a hoax for not accepting Trump’s assurance that it was “totally under control”.what exactly is your first hand knowledge?It is available, well, actually it’s in short supply so it needs to be rationed for severe cases. There is no controlled data that demonstrates effectiveness. The quality of the data is extremely poor at this time.Side effects from hydroxychloroquine are really very minimal. It’s used as first line in Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis specifically because it’s so benign.
The people listing what is on the packet insert really don’t know what they’re talking about.
Several years ago my throat began to swell up. It got a little difficult to breathe and swallow. About 2:00 am I went to the emergency room, and they took me right away. They started an IV on me. When the doctor came in, he told me the swelling in my throat was serious, and caused by my high blood pressure medication. I told the doctor I have been taking that medication for a couple of years. He told me that is irrelevant.
They cleaned me out, he instructed me never to take the medication again, and consult my doctor for a replacement.
A few weeks later, I looked into the drug. Other people experienced what I did. Some have died from being suffocated to death. They still sell that drug on the market today.
Angioedema is not extremely uncommon with that drug and probably way over reported. Deaths from it are extremely uncommon. The thing Is there is a significant mortality benefit from using that drug so benefits outweigh risks.
In terms of hydroxychloroqine, the benefits are uncertain. Let’s say it prevents every single death from COVID. Since mortality is only 1%, you have to treat 100 patients just to save one life. In terms of medicine, that’s called number needed to treat, and 100 is up there, although not extremely high. The benefit is probably pretty low. The risks are also low.
In the grand scheme of things, big picture stuff, this is really just not very relevant. If it works, or doesn’t work, this is really not that important.
From what I understand, the symptoms of this thing can be torturous. So even if somebody could survive without it, the drug itself might make people much more comfortable until they are over it. If so, that in itself would be worth using it.
Again, I'd rather endure some discomfort than permanent kidney damage or blindness. I endured 28 hours of labour with no pain meds (they reduced the effectiveness of the contractions), I can do torturous. I have experience.
Good for you, but some people can't. Furthermore it makes no sense to allow people to suffer like that if they don't have to because of politics, which this is really all about.
No Ray. This is not all about politics. This is about science. What Trump is doing is giving false hope. It's selling snake oil to frightened and desperate people. It would not suprise me one bit if the company which manufactures this drug is owned by friends of Donald Trump.
I have read every report I could find on this drug and I read nothing, that leads me to believe this drug is any kind of cure for this virus. As an asthmatic, I'll look at everything out there, and I've taken drugs, knowing that it has probably done real damage, but on the other hand, I'd be dead without it. There is nothing that I've seen that would give me any real hope on this one.
This is no different than Trump telling you that one day the virus will disappear, like magic. He desperately wants a magic pill to make it all go away, and that's not going to happen.
It's not about politics? Were you laughing or drinking when you wrote that????
Yes, it is about politics. That's why everybody on the right here is for the use of it and everybody on the left against it. Like I said, if Trump was against allowing the use of it for COVID, and Piglosi was for it, everybody here on the left would be singing the praises of hydroxychloroquine. Why? Because if it does work well, she'd be getting the credit for it, and Trump would look like the fool.
It's like the border wall. The left says they're against it because it won't work, when in reality, they are afraid it will work. It's the same thing with the treatment that the President supports.
The real partisan divide is over whether it actually works or not. The right is claiming it’s proven and effective. Trump is calling it the biggest game changer in the history of medicine.
The argument between Navarro and Fauci was that Fauci is saying don’t claim it works before we know it. What Fauci doesn’t understand is that Trump’s supporters won’t care either way. They’ve decided it works and no evidence is going to change that. Fauci doesn’t live in that world. He doesn’t understand how it works.
In some controlled tests it has worked. It should be available and the decision to use or not should be left to the individual and his/her doctor.
This argument is not about the drug, its about politics and money.
If it works it makes Trump look good, if it works there is not big payday for big pharma because its generic and cheap.
No one with any medical knowledge would say it’s proven to work. The political piece is Trump supporters wanting a “win” and will adhere to anything to be able to claim such.
nothing in your post is true. It is available in large quantities, there have been controlled verified studies proving that it works. Doctors are using it and it is saving lives.
its not about a political win, you asshole. its about saving lives and beating the virus.
I’m going from first hand knowledge. Are you?
I work in hospital systems. Do you have first hand knowledge?
I have full access to everything that has been available by all media outlets, domestic and foreign.
Have you seen the drug used? you claim first hand knowledge regarding the drug, what is it?
The media is awful at reporting medical and scientific information. They aren’t trained for it. Furthermore, some media is highly motivated to parrot what Trump is saying. If Trump wants you to believe the drug works, they’re damn well going to toe the line.
My hospital system and state are experiencing shortages of Plaquenil. Our experience has been quite mixed. It is not a miracle.
There are reports of it curing people who were dying. the state rep from Michigan, and Dr Segal's 96 your old father, to name just two.
but the decision to use it should be made by you and your doctor, not the media or some clown crew of politicians.
All Trump has ever said is that he is hopeful that it can save lives, what do you find objectionable about that?
The “reports” you’ve cited are useless. There’s no way to tell if the cited individuals improved because they got the medication of if they would have improved because that’s what happens to most people regardless.
He’s made a lot of claims going well beyond saying he hopes it’ll help.
Nope, thats all he has ever said. But lets turn your question around, how many people died WITH covid and how many died due to covid? there is absolutely no way to know. If the dead person tested positive for covid that is listed as the cause of death, whereas the real reason may very well have been cancer, diabetes, heart attack, lung disease, or something else
its sick that the media and the dems are trying to use this medical issue as a campaign issue at the expense of thousands of american lives.
Oh. So it’s a hoax, is that what you’re saying?
Man, when you guys get on a talking point, it’s everywhere in an instant. Y’all really are a cohesive group of thinkers.
neither Trump or anyone else has ever called the virus a hoax STOP LYING ABOUT THIS.
What was and is a hoax is the dems attempts to use the virus as a political weapon, The dems don't give a shit about YOU or any american citizen. All they want is power to ram their socialist bullshit up our collective asses. Wake the fuck up, moron.
And yet here you are trying to claim the mortality numbers for COVID are false, which is by definition a hoax.
You got this backwards. Trump and a lot of Republicans don’t care about you. They care about money, power and getting re-elected. That’s why they’re so desperate to make you think the virus is no big deal. So that way people go back to work, risking their health, to make them more money. Trump only cares about the virus because it’s a threat to his re-election. He was told again and again how bad this was going to be but kept publicly denying it.
Nobody knew how bad this was going to be. That's why over 180 countries are having to deal with it right now. This will have no impact on the next presidential election. Anybody with half a brain cell knows this was out of the Presidents hands.
Yes, the President does want people to go back to work, but not prematurely. He's going to take the recommendations of the experts. He needs to address two things, one of course is this virus, and two is the economy. The longer we keep killing our economy, the harder it will be to get it back on track. Some jobs and companies may never come back.
Nobody thought it was a big deal. The President, the Democrats in Congress, the WHO, the Governors, nobody. Nobody could have seen anything like this coming. It was like 911.
The President is now withholding funds from the WHO for their part in misleading the world. China still isn't being honest with us, and they are going to start all over again by opening up Wuhan and the wet markets that go along with it.
Trump hasn’t been honest with us about it from day one.
When Dems tried to raise alarms, they were ridiculed. Attempted to say otherwise is revisionist.
Trump Accuses Media and Democrats of Exaggerating Coronavirus Threat (Published 2020)
The accusations came as other elements of the federal government moved to head off a broader wave of infections like those in China.
