Have you noticed?

[Curried Goats]

McVey used fertilizer to kill hundreds, why aren't you calling for a fertilizer ban? The boston marathon bomber used a pressure cooker, lets ban them too.

The FBI or Homeland Security is monitoring those purchases.

 

[CowboyTed]

President Trump was shot at in an attempted assassination. I have even heard that the gunman used an "AR type" weap[on, whatever that means.

Have you noticed that not one Trump supporter has called for a ban on guns, or tougher gun restrictions?

Why, well three reasons:

1. Our Constitutional rights are more important than anything else.
2. We blame the shooter, not the gun. The gun didn't crawl onto the roof and shoot at Trump.
3. We aren't idiots.
4. We aren't pussies.

Well I was always avocate of proper firearms training and Trump is lucky it never happened...

This guy missed a still target (20" wide) from a prone position from 120 yards with a scope...

Seriously... If you are giving up your life to kill someone, you think you would learn to shoot first...

 

[Redfish]

The FBI or Homeland Security is monitoring those purchases.

only very large quantities purchased at the same time. many bags bought separately will never be tracked or monitored. Another McVey could be stockpiling fertilizer as we speak.

 

[Curried Goats]

only very large quantities purchased at the same time. many bags bought separately will never be tracked or monitored. Another McVey could be stockpiling fertilizer as we speak.

Could be, but the point is we actively try to prevent that sort of thing. We don't encourage the making of bombs like some of you encourage the proliferation of firearms.

 

[Ava]

Yup, you are magawussies. The shooter was Republican.

Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the gunman’s street address gave $15 to Progressive Turnout Project, a Democratic-aligned political action committee, on Inauguration Day in January 2021, when Crooks was 17.

Also, the rifle Crooks used belonged to his father, a social worker.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-invs/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

 

[LibertyKid]

That's stupid. You don't have the right to kill or even remove politicians. Try it and the government will put you down whether you have a gun or not. Just ask Ashli Babbit.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.****
Thomas Jefferson

The minute, the absolute minute that gov't tries to use military force against the people who are fighting tyranny, you will have civil war. The idea the military personnel will blindly follow those orders false.

ow was our government formed because I'm going to bet we have different understandings?

My understanding of history is that one set of tyrants rose up to divorce themselves from another group of tyrants so that they could be independent tyrants running their own tyrannical regime.

That's your personnel narrative and observance. You have a right to that. But there is a lot you're conveniently leaving out. If you hate it so much, move to the UK then. Denounce your citizenship and leave.

To that end it makes sense why, A militia, being necessary to the security of free State, would be in the Constitution. Southern slavers understood that without a standing federal army that their security and their ability to put down slave revolts rested on gangs of armed white men that could be called up in a moment to put down any uprising for freedom and liberty. What's the rationale now?

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.****
Thomas Jefferson

You're the one succumbing to propaganda

What exactly is that propaganda

if you think the limits to your rights, including the 2nd, aren't determined and defined by those in power. You aren't free. You live in society with limits and rules. If you want freedom then fuck on off into the woods, that's where you'll find it.

We have absolute rights provided by the Constitution and the BOR. Get that one way ticket to the UK yet?

 

[Curried Goats]

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.****
Thomas Jefferson

The minute, the absolute minute that gov't tries to use military force against the people who are fighting tyranny, you will have civil war. The idea the military personnel will blindly follow those orders false.

That's your personnel narrative and observance. You have a right to that. But there is a lot you're conveniently leaving out. If you hate it so much, move to the UK then. Denounce your citizenship and leave.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.****
Thomas Jefferson

What exactly is that propaganda

We have absolute rights provided by the Constitution and the BOR. Get that one way ticket to the UK yet?

Why are you quoting a tyrant slaver to me? Thomas Jefferson was a slaver and a child rapist. If anyone needed to get got it was that piece of shit but the 2nd Amendment protected his right to use violence against the people he meant to exploit while it denied those he exploited the same. Rights are a function of government. They are the rules and restrictions that govern the society they belong to. Once you've gotten to the point of revolution who gives a shit if that society allows you the right to bear arms or not?

 

[LibertyKid]

Why are you quoting a tyrant slaver to me? Thomas Jefferson was a slaver and a child rapist. If anyone needed to get got it was that piece of shit but the 2nd Amendment protected his right to use violence against the people he meant to exploit while it denied those he exploited the same. Rights are a function of government. They are the rules and restrictions that govern the society they belong to. Once you've gotten to the point of revolution who gives a shit if that society allows you the right to bear arms or not?

Get that ticket one way ticket yet?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the gunman’s street address gave $15 to Progressive Turnout Project, a Democratic-aligned political action committee, on Inauguration Day in January 2021, when Crooks was 17.

Also, the rifle Crooks used belonged to his father, a social worker.

So what? Many GOP despise Trump, and with such good reasons.

 

[Curried Goats]

Get that ticket one way ticket yet?

Why would I go anywhere when it's so amusing to watch your arguments collapse the moment they come into contact with someone who doesn't argue from a place of fantasy. When they can be dismantled by someone who doesn't pretend a slaver wasn't a tyrant or that the second amendment didn't help legalize tyranny by why way of justifying force against slaves.

 

[gipper]

the Muslims started it when they attacked Israel in October. Israel is fully justified in destroying HAMAS. If that means destroying GAZA, then so be it.

Lol. More dumbness.

Supporting the massacring of defenseless civilians is the act of a major dumb fuck.

 

[LibertyKid]

Lol. More dumbness.

Supporting the massacring of defenseless civilians is the act of a major dumb fuck.

Your argument throws the baby out with the bath water. I don't support the human atrocities that was part of the formation of this country, but that doesn't mean you throw away the good either. Based on YOUR logic, have you bought that ticket yet?

 

[LibertyKid]

Why would I go anywhere when it's so amusing to watch your arguments collapse the moment they come into contact with someone who doesn't argue from a place of fantasy. When they can be dismantled by someone who doesn't pretend a slaver wasn't a tyrant or that the second amendment didn't help legalize tyranny by why way of justifying force against slaves.

And yet, here you are, still here.

 

[Curried Goats]

And yet, here you are, still here.

I am. What does my location have to do with the obvious superiority of my arguments? Is this what you fall back on when your arguments turn to shit?

 

[gipper]

Your argument throws the baby out with the bath water. I don't support the human atrocities that was part of the formation of this country, but that doesn't mean you throw away the good either. Based on YOUR logic, have you bought that ticket yet?

What?

Do you oppose genocide or not?

 

[gipper]

That isn't genocide. Open a dictionary for once in your life.

Yes it is. The Gaza Strip has been systematically destroyed. All infrastructure destroyed. Thousands murdered and maimed. All have been displaced.

GENOCIDE!!!!!

 

[LibertyKid]

I am. What does my location have to do with the obvious superiority of my arguments? Is this what you fall back on when your arguments turn to shit?

Superiority... laughable. You state the atrocities, that no one denies (except for a few subhumans), while you speak to your disdain for this country, yet here you are, living your life with all the freedoms and liberties subscribed by the founding fathers you despise. So why are you here, hypocrite. And if you can't fathom the illogical fallacy of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I'm waisting mental energy on you. While you're at it, make sure you get tickets for IM2, JoeB131, and the rest of you that hate it here so much.

 

[Independent thinker]

I have not paid all that much attention but I haven't heard a lot of that from the dems thus far either.

Excellent point out. When Trump is the victim of an assassination attempt, the left say nothing about we need gun control.

 

[LibertyKid]

What?

Do you oppose genocide or not?

Of course. That however does not mean you throw out all principles that our country was founded on when it comes to understanding the Federal Republic and our system of gov't. Now if you want to have a completely separate topic about the the treating of native americans, and african slave traders selling there own to slave owners here in the states, that's a completely separate topic that some of you don't seem to get. Again, the superior arguments are illogical as some of you throw the baby out with the bath water. Some may also refer to it as the "genetic fallacy". Try and look it up.

 

[Curried Goats]

Superiority... laughable. You state the atrocities, that no one denies (except for a few subhumans), while you speak to your disdain for this country, yet here you are, living your life with all the freedoms and liberties subscribed by the founding fathers you despise. So why are you here, hypocrite. And if you can't fathom the illogical fallacy of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I'm waisting mental energy on you. While you're at it, make sure you get tickets for IM2, JoeB131, and the rest of you that hate it here so much.

If you don't deny the atrocities then why are quoting a slaver at me who used his right to bear arms to keep others in subjugation? You don't think that's kind of a detriment to the point you're trying to make? Which is what? I didn't make you use a tyrant as your rationale. You chose that all on your own. And I never said I hate it here. That's another frail strawman you'd rather be addressing than my actual arguments. I don't live in a slave state. The slavers and the people who wanted to deny people like me citizenship and equal protection under the law were defeated. Legally and culturally.