Have the Americans accepted that gun crime is a price worth paying to be able to hold arms?

[Skull Pilot]

Funny how they still have gun crimes in countries with draconian gun control isn't it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery -- TJ

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Progressives opt for slavery

 

[BULLDOG]

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery -- TJ

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Progressives opt for slavery

You need a little context to that statement. In the first place, he didn't actually say that. He quated a Latin phrase "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem". A more accurate translation would be , "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

Here is the sentence in context:

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787

A little rebellion doesn't mean shut the entire government down. and he certainly doesn't mean advocating treason as so many right wingers seem to do.

 

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Makes me want to buy more guns...

Can never have too many.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery -- TJ

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Progressives opt for slavery

You need a little context to that statement. In the first place, he didn't actually say that. He quated a Latin phrase "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem". A more accurate translation would be , "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

Here is the sentence in context:

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787

A little rebellion doesn't mean shut the entire government down. and he certainly doesn't mean advocating treason as so many right wingers seem to do.

So say the sheep

 

[mudwhistle]

VP Joe Biden says "Now is the time to act!!!!"


Act like you give a fuck you mean.

 

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[Rocky Varshevsky]

Average-Police-Response-Time

The police cannot respond in time to save you from violent crime.

 

[Rocky Varshevsky]

Funny how they still have gun crimes in countries with draconian gun control isn't it?

Yes. Mexico has some of the strictest gun control in the world and one of the highest murder rates.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Average-Police-Response-Time

The police cannot respond in time to save you from violent crime.

When seconds count the cops are only minutes away

 

[turtledude]

Definitely a 'mental health' issue but the mental health problem is with those who feel so insecure guns form their courage. Guns are part of a mental makeup that must support them as others oppose them, it has nothing to do with reality. It simply is another example of America's partisan divide. The reality is out there and irrelevant.

"In an interview with comedian Marc Maron that aired Monday, President Obama cited Australia's gun laws as an example the United States should follow. Australia established strict gun control in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 people dead in 1996. Since then, Australia hasn't witnessed any mass shootings.

"It was just so shocking the entire country said, ‘Well, we’re going to completely change our gun laws’, and they did. And it hasn’t happened since," Obama said, discussing the shooting deaths of nine people at a historic black church in Charleston last week."

Here’s the deal with the Australian gun control law that Obama is talking about

"In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

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Guns are the crack of the partisan hacks. Courage is imaginary and thus the gun huggers love of the source of their guts, like a child with its blankee.

who is this hysterical fairy. Burger was the dumbest man to sit on the supreme court in ages. He also didn't bother to explain that the federal government was never given any power to regulate small arms \

the real cowards are assholes like you who crap your pants over other people owning guns

Has anyone noticed that every gun banner going is a leftwing Hack

 

[turtledude]

Guns are part of my way of life. They have always been a part of the generations before me. We pass them down as we expire

The confederate flag was taken from us, but it lacked a Bill of Rights protection

They'll never take our guns. To many lives would be lost doing so. We can take the deaths in Chicago and sleep at night. Try taking Americans firearms is akin to a the logistical nightmare we're told deportation would be

Again, to many lives would be lost in a confiscation process

Plus, we wont let it happen

-Geaux

IF there is a jihad and war against guns-the proper thing for patriots to do is take out the politicians who ordered the jihad and then take out the yapping banoids who constantly demanded gun confiscation. Why waste yourself fighting cops when the soft targets of banoids will allow a far more effective reprisal>

 

[turtledude]

OK. If guns aren't the problem, then what is? More people die by guns in the US than in other first world country s

More people under 26 die from guns than die from cars

We spend millions every year studying auto safety and ways to reduce auto deaths, but we are prohibited by laws advocated by the NRA and pushed through by right wingers from even keeping statistics on gun violence. We are prohibited by law from even studying the problem. Are you satisfied with more than 32,000 people per year dying from gun violence?

more than half the gun deaths are suicides-not an issue

and 80% or MORE of the homiicides are mopes killing other mopes

people who cannot legally own guns

and if you want to really see lots of gun deaths-tell people that they are going to jail for owning a gun. many of them will use their guns to kill those who would ruin their lives and that is EXACTLY WHAT THE 2A is about

 

[turtledude]

About 4 million members out of 70 million Americans. I don't see that as a large number in comparison. Do you?

far more than the yapping nags of NOW or the NAACP or the Gay rights lobby.

 

[turtledude]

When I see a bumper sticker that says, "When guns are confiscated they will take my gun from my cold, dead hands," it seems like a good idea.

Guns are a sick brutal fascination of sick, brutal men.

you need to change your diaper. you obviously lose bowel control worrying about other people owning guns. You ought to be the one who tries to take the gun from that guy. I will laugh when I read about what he did to you in the newspaper

 

[turtledude]

You're just trying to change the subject and dodge the question. Why do we have more deaths here than in any other first world country?

More black criminals. white gun violence rates in the USA aren't any higher than white rates in Eurosocialist nations that ban guns

 

[turtledude]

Why do you assume I am against all gun ownership? Its a meme, let it go.

I think well regulated gun sales are warranted. Most current gun owners support rigid background checks, this seems sane to 80-90% of the population. Cars are licensed, every person has a number in the form of an SS number, the rules for operating an aircraft are very strict. Guns simply need to be treated like everything else in the society. Regulate and use current technology to embed a chip in each one so it can be identified if used in a crime, or even remotely disabled.

Idiotic to compare cars which aren't constitutionally protected with guns. did you know that crooks cannot be prosecuted for failing to register guns

so you want laws that only harass honest gun owners

 

[IsaacNewton]

Why do you assume I am against all gun ownership? Its a meme, let it go.

I think well regulated gun sales are warranted. Most current gun owners support rigid background checks, this seems sane to 80-90% of the population. Cars are licensed, every person has a number in the form of an SS number, the rules for operating an aircraft are very strict. Guns simply need to be treated like everything else in the society. Regulate and use current technology to embed a chip in each one so it can be identified if used in a crime, or even remotely disabled.

Idiotic to compare cars which aren't constitutionally protected with guns. did you know that crooks cannot be prosecuted for failing to register guns

so you want laws that only harass honest gun owners

Same tired old ignorant arguments.

All laws then harass honest people by your definition. Gun owners are not a special class in any sense for any reason.
But god you people are your fear of being alive, it never ends.

 

[turtledude]

Same tired old ignorant arguments.

All laws then harass honest people by your definition. Gun owners are not a special class in any sense for any reason.
But god you people are your fear of being alive, it never ends.

You're an idiot. proper laws punish harmful activity. gun control laws punish activity that is not harmful and is actually encouraged by the government for its employees. I do not hurt anyone from having a machine gun, a rifle or a penis for that matter. But you banoids want to ban non harmful behavior that only harasses honest people in the dishonest claim it will stop people who already murder and rob

Banoid arguments

we need new laws to stop people who already violate other laws and those laws shall only apply to those who haven't done anything wrong yet