Hate crimes legislation?

[JBeukema]

in principle, do you support 'hate crime' laws?

 

[Immanuel]

No, a crime is a crime and should be punished accordingly. The punishment should not be different simply because of who the victim is.

Immie

 

[Meister]

As far as I'm concerned, every crime that would be considered a "hate crime" is a hate crime no matter who the victim is....So I'm in Immie's corner on this.

 

[Citizen]

IMHO, every crime that fits the criteria of a hate crime is already against the law and there are already punishments for that crime, so to declare a crime something different because of the reason it supposedly was committed makes no sense at all.

 

[garyd]

ow many times can you hang someone for the crime of first degree or should we just cut off his hands first?

 

[elvis]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

 

[necritan]

Hate crime laws create division , label people , and rule with in-equality.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Midcan5, Dr Grump, Jillian, SusanG, Chris, all come to mind. I am betting Midcan gets on first.

 

[necritan]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

Chris...

 

[elvis]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

Chris...

Well, he certainly is a parasitic socialist piece of dogshit.

 

[Harry Dresden]

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

Chris...

Well, he certainly is a parasitic socialist piece of dogshit.

El....thats the nicest thing you have ever said to Chrissy.....see Chris....Elvis thinks your OK....so stop bad mouthing the guy....

 

[manifold]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

Sky Dancer is the biggest hate crime evangelist here.

 

[manifold]

How is it different to beat someone half to death, calling them a dirty rat bastard, sonofabitch etc. than to call them a n****r

yea i agree with ya .....it is another POLITICALLY CORRECT piece of shit that once again sets everyone back......i wonder who is going to be the first poster to agree with it.....bets?....

Chris...

meh. Chris gets a woody over gun control and global warming. Haven't seen him get all hot and bothered about hate crimes. But then again I've learned to scroll past most of what he posts.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

'Hate crime' is nothing more than absurd social engineering... it serves no purpose beyond thought control and will be rinsed in the customary 'unintended consequences' common to all leftist policy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

meh. Chris gets a woody over gun control and global warming. Haven't seen him get all hot and bothered about hate crimes. But then again I've learned to scroll past most of what he posts.

your not missing anything Mani.....read his first Post in a Thread.....it will last you till the end....

 

[Diuretic]

The purpose of criminal law is to stop or at least reduce the chances of harm to the populus. If everyone observed the criminal law we'd all be able to live unmolested. That isn't going to happen. We're all potential victims but some of us are more likely to be victims than others. Given that then it's sensible to try to increase the deterrent effect where that likelihood of victimisation is increased.

 

[manifold]

The purpose of criminal law is to stop or at least reduce the chances of harm to the populus. If everyone observed the criminal law we'd all be able to live unmolested. That isn't going to happen. We're all potential victims but some of us are more likely to be victims than others. Given that then it's sensible to try to increase the deterrent effect where that likelihood of victimisation is increased.

So mugging a woman should carry a greater penalty than mugging a man?

 

[Diuretic]

The purpose of criminal law is to stop or at least reduce the chances of harm to the populus. If everyone observed the criminal law we'd all be able to live unmolested. That isn't going to happen. We're all potential victims but some of us are more likely to be victims than others. Given that then it's sensible to try to increase the deterrent effect where that likelihood of victimisation is increased.

So mugging a woman should carry a greater penalty than mugging a man?

If there's a greater likelihood of a crime being committed because someone is female rather than male, yes, the purpose is to create a greater deterrent effect where there's greater likelihood of victimisation.

In my jurisdiction there's a heavier sentence for someone who assaults a family member (regardless of sex or age) simply because within families where there's someone with a propensity for violence there's more likelihood of one of those family members being victimised, therefore there's a greater deterrent effect put in place.

 

[manifold]

That makes no sense to me at all.