Has the United States surrendered to anthropogenic climate change?

[MisterBeale]

The dirty fuel profiteers are delighted by MAGA science denial.

This is how dumb you are, really.

I post reasoned logic with evidence, and you post fallacies.

 

[MisterBeale]

CO2 FRAUD is a treasonous conspiracy to harm America.

EVERYONE who pushes it, or claims Earth is warming via something else, is pushing TREASONOUS FRAUD on America.

EARTH IS NOT WARMING.

THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE EARTH IS WARMING.

We are at the tail end of an ice age. Most intelligent folks know that the Earth is warming. slightly.

. . . but here is the rub.

There is not a lot of real evidence that human society is causing any significant portion of the warming.

 

[EMH]

We are at the tail end of an ice age

Your definition of "ice age" is wrong...

Thread 'Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...'

Jun 23, 2023

What is an ICE AGE?

Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice retreats, as if "Day After Tomorrow" movie is accurate... LOL!!! What was North American Ice Age before 2010 is now spun into a series of rapid "ice ages" where it took a mere 75k years for the "ice age" to start in Northern Canada and put 2.5 mile thick glaicers on Chicago. This is "Milankovich"...

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Most intelligent folks know that the Earth is warming

"Most intelligent people know the Sun orbits the Earth, sorry Galileo"

What you "know" is bullshit.

The DATA

NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE
NO WARMING in the OCEANS
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
NO OCEAN RISE
NO BREAKOUT in CANE ACTIVITY
NO RISE IN SURFACE AIR PRESSURE

 

[westwall]

You are failing to hide the fact that you have no climatologicaj studies that you can cite.

Because YOU are a anti science denying silly person I will make it simple for you.

Paleoclimate history is well known. It refutes your high priests claims. Science demands that if you are going to make a claim it is YOU who has to prove YOUR case.

To date your anti science denying religious silly people have failed.

 

[schmidlap]

This is how dumb you are, really.

I post reasoned logic with evidence, and you post fallacies.

I don't need to cite the overwhelming amount of corroborative empirical data that results in the global scientific consensus concerning anthropogenic climate change.

Climatologists know far more about climate than MAGA deniers who are impotent in defending their dogmatic insistence that spewing thousands of tonnes of industrial greenhouse gases into the atmosphere does not affect the atmosphere.

 

[westwall]

I don't need to cite the overwhelming amount of corroborative empirical data that results in the global scientific consensus concerning anthropogenic climate change.

Climatologists know far more about climate than MAGA deniers who are impotent in defending their dogmatic insistence that that spewing thousands of tonnes of industrial greenhouse gases into the atmosphere does not affect the atmosphere.

You need to post ONE empirical data point to support your claim.

The problem is, you can't. There is not one empirical data point that supports you.

That makes your post a lie.

Which makes sense, you ARE a liar.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You need to post ONE empirical data point to support your claim.

The problem is, you can't. There is not one empirical data point that supports you.

That makes your post a lie.

Which makes sense, you ARE a liar.

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He/she/it uses a lot of scientific sounding words and thinks we'll buy it.

We're smarter than his/her/its cult.


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[justoffal]

Your problem is you lie constantly about AGW. Take for instance your claim about empirical data.

The simple fact is you have none. The empirical data fundamentally REPUDIATES what you claim.

And now the whole world knows it. That's why the only people pushing this garbage are corrupt politicians and scientists who don't want to lose their gravy train of tax dollars.

Exactly..... In fact the only empirical data available supports the constantly cycling climate over the past several million years. Additionally I find it remarkable that they continue to ignore the fact that the sun is progressing away from its main sequence.... And even if it can't be measured is infinitesimally getting more energetic by the day. With something as large as the sun who knows how that will affect us, I daresay we are still beginners in that particular respect.

 

[justoffal]

You need to post ONE empirical data point to support your claim.

The problem is, you can't. There is not one empirical data point that supports you.

That makes your post a lie.

Which makes sense, you ARE a liar.

I don't think he understands what empirical data actually is.

 

[westwall]

I don't think he understands what empirical data actually is.

Anti science religious nutjobs rarely do.

 

[justoffal]

Anti science religious nutjobs rarely do.

Yeah..... The problem is that modern science has been co-opted by politics. They start with an answer and work backwards trying to establish a foundation. Instead of just going where the verifiable facts take them they trot off on their own adventure in a preferred direction.... One that they want to believe in.

 

[schmidlap]

I recognize that my respecting science induces hysteria and angry name-calling among the dogmatists who don't.

Every scientific discipline is inherently self-correcting, based upon empirical data, always subject to revision.

In climatology, a global consensus has been reached, but remains subject to revision as well as refinement as the reality of anthropogenic climate change is continually being confirmed.

Unlike science, dogma is impervious to data, anathema to revision, immune to reason.

The crackpot notion of a vast clandestine, sinister, conspiracy by all the world's climatologists, as well as the nutty proposition that cult leaders and media entertainers know more about climatology than climatologists, strikes me as absurd,

 

[westwall]

I recognize that my respecting science induces hysteria and angry name-calling among the dogmatists who don't.

Every scientific discipline is inherently self-correcting, based upon empirical data, always subject to revision.

In climatology, a global consensus has been reached, but remains subject to revision as well as refinement as the reality of anthropogenic climate change is continually being confirmed.

Unlike science, dogma is impervious to data, anathema to revision, immune to reason.

The crackpot notion of a vast clandestine, sinister, conspiracy by all the world's climatologists, as well as the nutty proposition that cult leaders and media entertainers know more about climatology than climatologists, strikes me as absurd,

We recognize that you anti science deniers, spouting your high priests dogma, are highly upset that your scriptures no longer impress people.

Your continued screeching proves that to us beyond doubt.

Maybe if you went back to your old ways of sacrificing virgins to the volcano Gods will help?

Maybe start with you?

 

[HikerGuy83]

You sound like a diehard MAGA science denier

To you because you've got your finger in your ears and your head up your backside.

You sound like a left wing zealot.

Please show me what I've denied.

What other scientific disciplines that compile and analyze empirical data does your ideological dogma cause you to reject?

I have not rejected anything.

But as a scientist/engineer I've seen the conventional wisdom turned on it's head repeatedly.

Brain science being a recent example. You have researchers saying "Everything we thought we knew...was mostly wrong" when it came to certain aspects of brain development.

So, what have you been right about?

Right now, it's a blank screen.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Ideologues pushing their dogma by cherry-picking snippets is no substitute for scientific consensus based upon a wealth of empirical data in any scientific discipline.

You can respond to the huge mistake that you quoted instead of copying a line out of your Saul Alinsky manual for climate BS

 

[HikerGuy83]

So, in the minds of hardcore MAGAs, there is a vast conspiracy by all the world's climatologists, scientific authorities, and virtually all nations, to falsely claim that the empirical data confirms that spewing thousands of tonnes of industrial greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere impacts the atmosphere, contributing significantly to the planet's warming.

Please cite your alternative climatological studies.

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A lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax.
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You cite the studies you think support your claims first.

The actual studies.

Stop hiding behind a political body that pretends to be objective.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You religious nutjobs are all the same, scripture over science.

Self righteous (i.e. Al Gore) religious nutjobs that can't explain the studies whose skirts they hid under.

Fixed it for you.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Please cite your alternative climatological studies.

You cite your studies first.

The key baseline studies.

Why would we give you anything until you produce something to back up your bs.

 

[multivita-man]

It's about time, most are tired of chasing a hoax.

Not a hoax. It's increasingly viewed as an insurance risk, and without insurance, there are no markets because people won't be willing to take risks unless they are confident they have the money to piss away.

Climate, Risk, Insurance: The Future of Capitalism

CO₂ emissions directly increase the amount of energy trapped in the Earth’s atmosphere. This is not a vague or future issue—it is physical reality.

www.linkedin.com

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not a hoax. It's increasingly viewed as an insurance risk, and without insurance, there are no markets because people won't be willing to take risks unless they are confident they have the money to piss away.

Climate, Risk, Insurance: The Future of Capitalism

CO₂ emissions directly increase the amount of energy trapped in the Earth’s atmosphere. This is not a vague or future issue—it is physical reality.

www.linkedin.com

No way to adapt to temperatures beyond human tolerances.....

What a great article......