danielpalos
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We have the largest economy in the world, even with "illegal" immigration. Doesn't that "lay the blame" on Congress for lousy fiscal management? Why can we afford a drug war. How much does the drug war cost, when compared to illegal immigration?Yeah, they contribute so much to certain economies by their cheap unreported labor, they would probably cause a crisis if removed. Those celebrities and businesses would really hurt financially. Woe is them.
Not.Illegal immigrants using medical, emergency rooms cost Americans money.Done through the authority of the government. Do you have any idea how STUPID that sounds? I mean I don't get it. Conservatives will tell you the government screws up everything it gets involved in. Health care, the government screws it up. Education, the government screws it up. But immigration, well damn, the government has the ability to PICK AND CHOOSE who comes in. That is FUBARED.
And yes, it is totally un-american. This nation was established with open borders. This nation was one of the ONLY nations to establish Jus Solis. And for good reason. The founders knew that a nation that could pick and choose it's citizens is a nation destined for despotism.
Seriously, what does this mean to you.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Freedom of movement is an integral part of the "pursuit of happiness", and note, the DOI claims that ALL MEN have those rights, not just those fortunate enough to be American citizens.
The hard reality--those that are so against illegal immigration are CHICKEN SHITS. They are afraid of the competition. I mean come on, imagine the NBA without foreign players. Would it be more competitive? Would it be more entertaining? Hell no, it would SUCK. Bring em on, throw open the doors to anyone and everyone. North Carolina did it back in the 18th century, and I mean opened the doors to EVERYONE, pirates, murderers, those fleeing justice. The end result---we won the Revolutionary War. I am more than prepared to make the argument that without North Carolina's open border policy our ass would be singing God Save the Queen before every ballgame.
I'm not sure if you are trolling me or not, so I will end my contribution to this discussion here.
I stand by my position and I believe based on the election results and economic stress on the system that a very high number of Americans agree that illegal immigration has become unsustainable and in some cases a threat to National Security. I repeat for effect, I am not anti-immigrant, I am against illegal immigration.
First, you are mistaken as to the economic stress illegal immigration causes. It is an economic BOOST. Billions of dollars in Social Security taxes are paid by illegal immigrants. Billions of dollars are saved by American consumers due to the efforts of illegal immigrants. The absolute number one reason for the increase in college graduates is the influx of illegal immigrants and their work in the low-skilled labor market. The outflow of money sent by illegal immigrants has done more to keep inflation under control than any actions by the Federal Reserve.
And again, what is illegal immigration, immigration that the GOVERNMENT DOESN"T WANT? Hell, I got to tell you, a government qualified to pick and choose it's citizens is more than qualified to provide health care to those citizens. The conservative stance against illegal immigration is in direct conflict with their stance against "big government".
Illegal immigrants going to school cost Americans money.
Illegal immigrants going to College displace slots that should go to Americans.
Illegal immigrants spend their children welfare dollars, which is costing Americans money.
BTW those children Americans wouldn't exist if it weren't for their illegal parents spawning them for welfare benefits.
Let's take them one by one.
Illegal immigrants accessing health care costs American's money. Proof it. From where I sit, well those illegal immigrant contribute 1.5 billion dollars per year to Medicare and 7 billion dollars per year to Social Security and they get NOTHING. You are going to have to show me at least that much in health care spending before you can claim it is a net cost. But go ahead and start about half billion in the hole from Texas alone. Texas collects about a half billion dollars more than they spend on illegal immigrants.
http://www.bchealthcouncil.org/Resources/Documents/Myth-reality-final-march232010.pdf
Illegal immigrants going to school costs Americans money. Total bullshit. Children born in the United States are CITIZENS. And it is those citizens that are going to be funding your flippin Social Security check when you retire. The spending on their education is an investment that pays bigger dividends than any other form of government spending. One study indicated that the cost of providing a college education to an illegal immigrant at the in-state rate would be repaid within five years of graduation.
A Sizeable Return on Investment | Colorado Fiscal Institute
Illegal immigrants going to college displace American students. That's the chickenshit approach. College entrance is competitive. If Americans can't compete with the illegal immigrants it's the American's problem, not the illegal immigrant. As I have noted before, last week at the UNCC graduation ceremony I saw 79 masters in computer engineering awarded. Three were in-state, four were from other states and the other 72 were from foreign nations, mostly India and China but Iran and Egypt were also represented.
Finally, the welfare benefits. What a crock. You cannot count the spending that is directed towards the LEGAL CITIZENS within a household.
"These kids who get subsidized school lunches today will go on to graduate high school ... will go on to college and move up to the middle class of America," Linda Chavez, president of the Becoming American Institute, a conservative group that advocates for higher levels of legal immigration to reduce illegal immigration, told USA Today. "Every time we have a nativist backlash in our history, we forget that we see immigrants change very rapidly in the second generation.
Do immigrants receive more welfare money than natural born US citizens?
Like I said, it is those children that are going to funding your retirement.