Happy Columbus Day!

[DakotaKai_fan20]

There was no “genocide”. Most of the Indians died from diseases. No genocide has ever maintained the legal sovereignty of the people, or attempted to integrate some backwards Stone Age culture into their society.

The Indians tried to play the same game of warfare and conquest that they had always played. Unfortunately for them, they lost.

Bullshit. There was genocide. People like you deny that millions were slaughtered from 1492 to the early 20th century. Wounded Knee, wiping out empires to establish their own racial superiority. They never cared about the Natives.

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[skye]

 

[el midgetron]

Bullshit. There was genocide. People like you deny that millions were slaughtered from 1492 to the early 20th century. Wounded Knee, wiping out empires to establish their own racial superiority. They never cared about the Natives.

So, do you believe the Indians were a peaceful people living in harmony with nature before the evil white man showed up?

There were any number of Indian cultures that would have gladly wiped 100% off all other Indians off the American continent. The Europeans were far more merciful than the Aztecs, Comanche and Apache to name a few. Those Indian cultures would have genocide-ed all other Native Americas if they were advanced enough.

But let’s entertain your fantasy world, where the stone-age Indians were left isolated and allowed to slowly club each other to death. Slavery, human sacrifice, tribal warfare and primitive superstition would still dominate the American continent today as it did then. It’s nothing to be nostalgic about. The good parts of Indian culture have survived. But the primitive savagery has been conquered and justly so.

 

[el midgetron]

Life in the Americas before Columbus -

For instance, until I went to the “American Indian” wing of the famed Washington museum I had never seen a Pacific Northwest aboriginal “slave killer” club (example left).
I had never seen a West Coast “cannibal bowl.”
I had never read a museum description of how B.C. tribes raided other tribes.
I had never seen the kinds of aboriginal shields, axes, helmets or neck protectors used in inter-tribal wars along the B.C. coast.
There is nothing inherently diabolical about this largely ignored part of aboriginal history in B.C., since white and other immigrants to Canada have also been extensively engaged in war. So it’s a bit disappointing that our museums are not willing to simply reflect the whole truth about the richness of aboriginal history.

Buried truths about aboriginal culture

 

[Darkwind]

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[el midgetron]

Life in the Americas before Columbus -


As many as 40 sites scattered around the Southwest contain human bones that show distinctive evidence of having been butchered and cooked - signs consistent with cannibalism. Until now, however, most archaeologists have shied away from conceding the evidence proves cannibalism - favoring explanations such as ritual burial or the execution of people believed to be witches.

The new, conclusive evidence comes from preserved pieces of human excrement that were found at the site. The pieces contain human proteins that could be there only if the subjects had eaten human flesh. Researchers believe that if cannibalism has been definitively proven at this one Southwestern site, it is overwhelmingly likely that cannibalism was common enough to have taken place at the other sites where butchered bones have been found.

Conclusive evidence of American Indian cannibalism found | The Seattle Times

 

[el midgetron]

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Happy Columbus Day!
"In 1492 – Columbus sailed the ocean blue
Undefined Poet



In fourteen hundred ninety-two

Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

He had three ships and left from Spain;

He sailed through sunshine, wind and rain.

He sailed by night; he sailed by day;

He used the stars to find his way.

A compass also helped him know

How to find the way to go.

Ninety sailors were on board;

Some men worked while others snored.

Then the workers went to sleep;

And others watched the ocean deep.

Day after day they looked for land;

They dreamed of trees and rocks and sand.

October 12 their dream came true,

You never saw a happier crew!


"Indians! Indians!" Columbus cried;


His heart was filled with joyful pride.


But "India" the land was not;

It was the Bahamas, and it was hot.


The Arakawa natives were very nice;


They gave the sailors food and spice.


Columbus sailed on to find some gold


To bring back home, as he'd been told.


He made the trip again and again,Trading gold to bring to Spain.


The first American? No, not quite.But Columbus was brave, and he was bright."

In 1492 - Columbus sailed the ocean blue - Poem Analysis

'In 1492-Columbus sailed the ocean blue’ is a simple, rhymed recounting of Columbus's voyage, glossing over complex historical consequences.

poemanalysis.com

In fourteen hundred and ninety-two,
Columbus sailed the ocean blue,
He sailed so fast, he split his ass!
Hot dang! Wasn't that fast?

 

[theHawk]

Life in the Americas before Columbus -


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For instance, until I went to the “American Indian” wing of the famed Washington museum I had never seen a Pacific Northwest aboriginal “slave killer” club (example left).
I had never seen a West Coast “cannibal bowl.”
I had never read a museum description of how B.C. tribes raided other tribes.
I had never seen the kinds of aboriginal shields, axes, helmets or neck protectors used in inter-tribal wars along the B.C. coast.
There is nothing inherently diabolical about this largely ignored part of aboriginal history in B.C., since white and other immigrants to Canada have also been extensively engaged in war. So it’s a bit disappointing that our museums are not willing to simply reflect the whole truth about the richness of aboriginal history.

Buried truths about aboriginal culture

Matt Walsh gives epic beatdown of “Indigenous Peoples Day” and why we should never ever celebrate it.

 

[Hellbilly]

 

[roderick]

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We do.

 

[ESay]

Is that why Indians have sovereign land? Is that why the Europeans attempted to educate and assimilate the Indians into Western society? Is that why the Europeans didn’t just cleanse the land of the Indians? What was stopping them?

The Europeans bent over backwards to make peace with the Indians. But Indians made a constant menace of themselves, which eventually lead to their total submission. Yet, even then, the Europeans gave them sovereign land and still attempted to bring them into modern society.

The Europeans could have easily wiped them out completely at this point but they didn’t. They even went on to venerate the Indians as symbols of America. You don’t put something you despise, or want to “genocide” or “cleanse the land of”, on your currency, your postage stamps and any other item intended to represent your country and national heritage.

You are assuming one conclusion validates the other. Just because disease ravaged all of the Americas doesn’t mean that the “British came to “cleanse” the land” or committed a genocide. There is a host of differences between what happened on either side of the boarder. You have ignored these differences in favor of making a false equivalency.

Okay, tell me what differences I ignored that led to that drastical changes in populations of Mexico and the US.

 

[Hellbilly]

We do.

 

[el midgetron]

Okay, tell me what differences I ignored that led to that drastical changes in populations of Mexico and the US.

Don’t let me stand in the way of your woke liberal bigotry. But if you actually care you can start by reading posts #81 & #93. Otherwise, the burden of proof is for your claims is on you. You are welcome to start by answering the questions I asked.

Here’s another for you. Do you think the Indian population would have fared better or worse if the Aztecs had been as advanced as and as numerous as the Europeans?

 

[el midgetron]

 

[Curried Goats]

I love how you guys celebrate conquest in the past while bitching and moaning as you yourselves are conquered.

 

[ESay]

Here’s another for you. Do you think the Indian population would have fared better or worse if the Aztecs had been as advanced as and as numerous as the European

It may well be that the Aztecs would have eliminated most of the neighbouring Indian population and begun conquering other continents.

Another question?