Happy Columbus Day!

[Zincwarrior]

They discovered nothing because there were already people living there.

Thats a debatable one, at the time of the Viking landing in Vinlanda, there may not have been until they went further down the coast. They did have fights with travelling inuits in Greenland I believe.

 

[el midgetron]

Indian life before Columbus -

 

[Hellbilly]

Wow, talk about rewriting history.

Rewritten history is what you were taught

 

[el midgetron]

The Indians were no less “savages” than the Europeans.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Indians were no less “savages” than the Europeans.

While true, diseases wiped out entire civilizations in the space of a few decades. This directly impacted the empires in Latin America that the Spanish and Portuguese came across. By the French / Dutch / English began arriving, entire regions had been effectively depopulated and were just beginning to recover.

 

[Hellbilly]

Thats a debatable one, at the time of the Viking landing in Vinlanda, there may not have been until they went further down the coast. They did have fights with travelling inuits in Greenland I believe.

Nothing debatable about it. The vikings came here and were defeated

 

[ESay]

The Indians were no less “savages” than the Europeans.

Why does that even matter? That gave your ancestors a right to come and kill 90% of them for land?

 

[Hellbilly]

Why does that even matter? That gave your ancestors a right to come and kill 90% of them for land?
This did:

The Doctrine of Discovery is a policy enacted initially by the 15th-century Catholic Church proclaiming the right of Christian nations to take possession of the lands of non-Christians in the interest of saving their souls. Non-Christians were not recognized as legitimate landowners, and any lands 'discovered' by Christian explorers were claimed as the property of the discoverers' nation.

Doctrine of Discovery

The Doctrine of Discovery is a policy enacted initially by the 15th-century Catholic Church proclaiming the right of Christian nations to take possession of the lands of non-Christians in the interest...

www.worldhistory.org

 

[ESay]

While true, diseases wiped out entire civilizations in the space of a few decades. This directly impacted the empires in Latin America that the Spanish and Portuguese came across. By the French / Dutch / English began arriving, entire regions had been effectively depopulated and were just beginning to recover.

Diseases you say? Then why Mexico is full of the Natives/mestizos and the US has barely a handful of them?

 

[1srelluc]

LOL....Something odd just struck me......The NAs died of diversity!

 

[el midgetron]

Nothing debatable about it. The vikings came here and were defeated

Like the Indians were after Columbus. Stop being such sore losers.

 

[el midgetron]

Why does that even matter? That gave your ancestors a right to come and kill 90% of them for land?

What gave the Indians the right to slaughter their neighbors?

 

[ESay]

What gave the Indians the right to slaughter their neighbors?

No one. But that didn't give your forefathers the right to kill them out for the land grab. That was their land, your were invaders. Deal with that.

 

[el midgetron]

No one. But that didn't give your forefathers the right to kill them out for the land grab. That was their land, your were invaders. Deal with that.

Who gave the Indians the right to steal their neighbors land?

 

[el midgetron]

No one. But that didn't give your forefathers the right to kill them out for the land grab. That was their land, your were invaders. Deal with that.

My forefathers were conquerors. Yours were defeated. Deal with that.

 

[ESay]

Who gave the Indians the right to steal their neighbors land?

Their relations between each others were not any of your business.

 

[ESay]

My forefathers were conquerors. Yours were defeated. Deal with that.

Exactly. That came to kill and steal.

 

[el midgetron]

Their relations between each others were not any of your business.

You are a bitter sore loser. The Europeans didn’t do anything to the Indians that the Indians didn’t do to each other. And your best answer for that reality is that it’s none of my business…. Pathetic.

 

[ESay]

You are a bitter sore loser. The Europeans didn’t do anything to the Indians that the Indians didn’t do to each other. And you best answer for that reality is that it’s none of my business…. Pathetic.

The reality is that you try to justify the genocide of the Natives with ridiculous claims "they also fought, killed and raped each other'. Tell me more about pathetic.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nothing debatable about it. The vikings came here and were defeated

Well we know they had conflict in Greenland. EDIT: Evidently there are indeed saga about conflicts between Norse and Screelings. As they were in country mostly for timber and on the total edge of Norse colonies/logistics, it was probably not profitable.

Also, No one defeats moustached Lee Majors!