Hanoi Jane receives SAG's lifetime achievement award

[GLASNOST]

How many civilians did the US military maim, murder, and displace in Vietnam?

Jane Fonda was right to protest those war crimes fifty years ago, and she's still right today.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia

Bravo, George.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Whether you liked the war or not, actively siding against our own citizen-soldiers is (or should be) TREASON. There was no reason for her to do what she did, and she should have been forced to face the music for doing it.

Should a German in Britain during WW2 have been condemned for speaking out against the Third Reich? Just think about how irrational your position is here.

She has a right to free speech and that's what she did with it, many of the US soldiers fighting in Vietnam probably appreciated her drawing attention to the mass slaughter of people who were just doing their best to oust foreign colonial invaders.

The French were hated by the Vietnamese and the United States - out of nowhere - decided to come to the aid of the French. Fonda was 100% right to speak out as she did, she's a hero.

 

[GLASNOST]

Should a German in Britain during WW2 have been condemned for speaking out against the Third Reich? Just think about how irrational your position is here.

I'm glad you pointed that out.

She has a right to free speech and that's what she did with it,

Exactly.

many of the US soldiers fighting in Vietnam probably appreciated her drawing attention to the mass slaughter of people who were just doing their best to oust foreign colonial invaders.

I am one of those soldiers who fought in Vietnam. Jane Fonda made sure that my two younger brother didn't have their youth ruined like mine was. We were in Vietnam illegally and the Vietnamese (God bless them!) sacrificed so much to free their country ....... THREE TIMES! And then ...... they freed Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge as well! The Vietnamese were heroic FOUR TIMES!

The French were hated by the Vietnamese and the United States - out of nowhere - decided to come to the aid of the French. Fonda was 100% right to speak out as she did, she's a hero.

Correct - correct - correct - correct - and CORRECT!

 

[georgephillip]

Bravo, George.

Fonda has some remorse over her 1972 trip to Hanoi; in fact, she has called the infamous photo of her sitting on a weapon that had shot down countless US aircraft "...a betrayal...the largest lapse of judgement I can imagine."

Personally, I still believe she was on the morally correct side in '72 especially compared to the number of US patriots calling for the nuclear destruction of North Vietnam half-a-century ago.

Hollywood Flashback: The 1972 Photo That Turned Jane Fonda Into “Hanoi Jane”

"Almost 45 years after she climbed into the seat of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun vehicle and smiled for photographers, Jane Fonda, now 79, still finds herself targeted by U.S. military veterans.

"The actress and activist, who took to the L.A. streets for the Women’s March to protest Donald Trump’s policies, already was one of Hollywood’s most outspoken opponents of the Vietnam War when, at 34, she made a two-week trip to Hanoi in July 1972.

"By then, more than 60,000 U.S. soldiers had lost their lives in the conflict; Vietnamese casualties were close to 1 million."

 

[GLASNOST]

Fonda has some remorse over her 1972 trip to Hanoi; in fact, she has called the infamous photo of her sitting on a weapon that had shot down countless US aircraft "...a betrayal...the largest lapse of judgement I can imagine."

She needed a job.

Personally, I still believe she was on the morally correct side in '72 "

Definitely. That weapon, by the way, was in Ha'Noi and it helped to defend the city that was illegally bombarded by B52 heavy bombers.

 

[TimFitz]

I have ZERO respect for any organization that would give this traitor an award. It's Hollywood, so obviously it's what you would come to expect.

Jane Fonda delivers fiery speech accepting SAG's lifetime achievement award: 'Empathy is not weak or woke'​

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Hanoi Jane was right, you know.

I was none too pleased at the time. But history has long vindicated her.

 

[22lcidw]

Hanoi Jane was right, you know.

I was none too pleased at the time. But history has long vindicated her.

I wonder if she is pro Ukraine war as so many Progs now are war mongers.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many civilians did the US military maim, murder, and displace in Vietnam?

Jane Fonda was right to protest those war crimes fifty years ago, and she's still right today.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia

not nearly as many as the enemy did

She was wrong

 

[Soupnazi630]

Hanoi Jane was right, you know.

I was none too pleased at the time. But history has long vindicated her.

She was wrong and has never been vindicated

 

[Soupnazi630]

She needed a job.

Definitely. That weapon, by the way, was in Ha'Noi and it helped to defend the city that was illegally bombarded by B52 heavy bombers.

There was nothing illegal about it

 

[Jarlaxle]

Save Your Anger for the HeirGuardsmen

By whom? Her own RichKid Reich makes the rules and defines our rights for us.

All That They Make Us Believe Is Make-Believe

Americans let the Deciders tell us what we have to do. They even influence us into believing that what we want to do is our own decision, as if we weren't being forced into their false choices.

The Boat People Were Chickenhawks

In An Hoa, where both Jim Webb and I served, the South Vietnamese sissyboy Army had a peace treaty with the Viet Cong before the Fifth Marines got there. They refused to help us; their base was lit up all night long and never attacked.

You sold out to spoiled sheltered snobs who delighted in pretending that working-class troops were uncouth savages.

STOP SPAMMING THE ******* BOARD!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

She has a right to free speech and that's what she did with it,

The French were hated by the Vietnamese and the United States

The Will of the Majority Is the Only Constitution a Free Nation Needs

Who defined free speech for us? What would have happened to demonstrators in 1942 parading anti-war slogans and brandishing Japanese and Nazi flags? Would patriots be arrested for preventing such a demonstration?

 

[georgephillip]

not nearly as many as the enemy did

She was wrong

The enemy was fighting to repel an illegal American invasion; absent that war crime, there would have been no excess deaths or war profits for greedy Americans.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia

"A 1975 U.S. Senate subcommittee estimated around 1.4 million civilian casualties in South Vietnam because of the war, including 415,000 deaths.

"An estimate by the Department of Defense after the war gave a figure of 1.2 million civilian casualties, including 195,000 deaths.<a href="Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

"According to statistics from the South Vietnamese Ministry of Health, 44.5% of civilians admitted to hospitals between 1967 and 1970 were wounded by mines or mortars, 21.2% by guns or grenades, and 34.3% by artillery or bombing."

 

[GLASNOST]

The Will of the Majority Is the Only Constitution a Free Nation Needs

The Majority of whom, the Jets or the Sharks? And is Main Street the demarcation or is it 68th. Street & Amsterdam Ave.?

 

[Soupnazi630]

The enemy was fighting to repel an illegal American invasion; absent that war crime, there would have been no excess deaths or war profits for greedy Americans.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia

"A 1975 U.S. Senate subcommittee estimated around 1.4 million civilian casualties in South Vietnam because of the war, including 415,000 deaths.

"An estimate by the Department of Defense after the war gave a figure of 1.2 million civilian casualties, including 195,000 deaths.<a href="Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

"According to statistics from the South Vietnamese Ministry of Health, 44.5% of civilians admitted to hospitals between 1967 and 1970 were wounded by mines or mortars, 21.2% by guns or grenades, and 34.3% by artillery or bombing."

We did not invade and our intervention was legal

None of those sources say who caused the casualties. The North made it regular habit to target civilians.

 

[georgephillip]

We did not invade and our intervention was legal

None of those sources say who caused the casualties. The North made it regular habit to target civilians.

Capitalists invaded south Vietnam and were driven out by a popular resistance.

"Diem was a corrupt leader who refused to give peasants land.

"He did not like Buddhism and treated the mainly Buddhist population badly.

"As a result, much of South Vietnam’s population was rebelling against him.

"The peasants wanted communism and supported the Vietminh and the NLF.

"In 1963, President John F Kennedy sent 16,000 military ‘advisers’ to help the South Vietnamese army. Diem’s Government was overthrown.

"After this, there was no strong capitalist government in control of the South."

 

[GLASNOST]

Capitalists invaded south Vietnam and were driven out by a popular resistance.

"Diem was a corrupt leader who refused to give peasants land.

"He did not like Buddhism and treated the mainly Buddhist population badly.

"As a result, much of South Vietnam’s population was rebelling against him.

"The peasants wanted communism and supported the Vietminh and the NLF.

"In 1963, President John F Kennedy sent 16,000 military ‘advisers’ to help the South Vietnamese army. Diem’s Government was overthrown.

"After this, there was no strong capitalist government in control of the South."

A good summary, George. It is right that you have mentioned Buddhism. Very few (VERY-VERY few) are aware that Vietnam was ruled by French Catholic colonials who gave Vietnamese Catholics preference and discriminated against the Buddhist population. Had the French not done that there is a possibility that the Vietnamese might not have rebelled against their French rulers. But once the Vietnamese won their independence from France, the Yankees took the chance to rule in the same way the French had done. Prior to the American occupation, Ho Chi Minh saw the US as a just and fair Democratic nation in the same way Fidel Castro did. Both men found out the hard way that they had misjudged the US.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Capitalists invaded south Vietnam and were driven out by a popular resistance.

"Diem was a corrupt leader who refused to give peasants land.

"He did not like Buddhism and treated the mainly Buddhist population badly.

"As a result, much of South Vietnam’s population was rebelling against him.

"The peasants wanted communism and supported the Vietminh and the NLF.

"In 1963, President John F Kennedy sent 16,000 military ‘advisers’ to help the South Vietnamese army. Diem’s Government was overthrown.

"After this, there was no strong capitalist government in control of the South."

Wrong

The US was invited by a freindly government to help resist the communist invasion

Minh was not the leader of a popular resistance movement he was the rule rof a communist enpire and started the war

Minh was more corrupt and enslaved entire nations

The peasants did not want communism

 

[JoeB131]

I have ZERO respect for any organization that would give this traitor an award. It's Hollywood, so obviously it's what you would come to expect.

Jane Fonda delivers fiery speech accepting SAG's lifetime achievement award: 'Empathy is not weak or woke'​

Nobody today thinks the Vietnam War was a good idea.

So why are we still angry at Fonda for saying so?

 

[JoeB131]

My brother would be one of them.

He should be angry at people who sent him over to fight a war based on a lie, exposed him to carcinogens, and left him to face crappy post war job prospects.

Not at the lady from Hollywood who pointed out it was a stupid idea.