Hanoi Jane receives SAG's lifetime achievement award

[JoeB131]

I had many sleepless nights worried that my older brother, who was involved in heavy fighting, would not make it home. All Americans had a right to protest the war, but once the fighting started, she should have stayed home and did her protesting here. Instead, she chose to go there and become a propagandist. My brother will never forgive her, and neither will I.

Let's not forget WHY she went over.

Nixon was intentionally bombing agricultural infrastructure in an attempt to force Hanoi to the negotiating table to sign a treaty that let Nixon save face. (Everyone knew the Saigon Quislings were doomed the minute we pulled out.)

She was pointing out the damage we were doing in an illegal act of war.

 

[JoeB131]

Bull. I am a Vietnam era vet as well and all Fonda did was encourage the enemy who was killing our brothers and prolonged the war. Now if she had gone to the Hanoi Hilton and publicly demanded the release of the prisoners being held and tortured there, my opinion of her would be different.

The only person who prolonged the war was Tricky DIck, who could have had a peace deal in 1969, but instead intensified the war so the final agreement let us save face.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The only person who prolonged the war was Tricky DIck, who could have had a peace deal in 1969, but instead intensified the war so the final agreement let us save face.

No, he could have surrendered in 1969, instead he defeated the North Vietnamese and got a fair peace treaty. It’s not his, or the USA’s fault that North Vietnam violated the treaty with the full support of the USSR. It was our democrat”# fault that we failed to supply the support promised in the treaty after the PRVN shattered it by invading the RVN.

 

[Soupnazi630]

He should be angry at people who sent him over to fight a war based on a lie, exposed him to carcinogens, and left him to face crappy post war job prospects.

Not at the lady from Hollywood who pointed out it was a stupid idea.

She commited treason

There was no lie and they had no more exposure to carcinohens than anyone else

veterans did far better than civilians in the job market

 

[Soupnazi630]

Let's not forget WHY she went over.

Nixon was intentionally bombing agricultural infrastructure in an attempt to force Hanoi to the negotiating table to sign a treaty that let Nixon save face. (Everyone knew the Saigon Quislings were doomed the minute we pulled out.)

She was pointing out the damage we were doing in an illegal act of war.

She went obver becauuse she was a treasonous whore

The war was legal and we commited no such bombing of agricultural infrastructure

 

[JoeB131]

No, he could have surrendered in 1969, instead he defeated the North Vietnamese and got a fair peace treaty. It’s not his, or the USA’s fault that North Vietnam violated the treaty with the full support of the USSR. It was our democrat”# fault that we failed to supply the support promised in the treaty after the PRVN shattered it by invading the RVN.

Except he didn't "Defeat" them.

And Nixon knew that the North Vietnamese were going to topple the South the minute we pulled out. Just like Trump knew the Taliban would take over Afghanistan after Doha.

The Myth That Congress Cut Off Funding for South Vietnam

Since partisans have turned the April 30, 1975, Communist takeover of South Vietnam into a political weapon, I’m going to spend the anniversary doing a little myth-busting.

www.historynewsnetwork.org

It was the perfect political meme. It was simple and sound bite size. It built on a an existing template, the staple of Republican rhetoric charging that Democrats since Franklin D. Roosevelt have “snatched defeated from the jaws of victory.” And it was a seeming-fact that appeared relevant to a hot an ongoing debate—in this case, proposals to force President Bush to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq by setting a deadline in an appropriations bill.

It wasn't true, but that never stopped a meme.

$700 Million

A quick, easy check of an old newspaper database shows Laird's cutoff claim to be false. In the fiscal year running from July 1, 1974, to June 30, 1975, the congressional appropriation for military aid to South Vietnam was $700 million.

Nixon had requested $1.45 billion. Congress cut his aid request, but never cut off aid.

Nixon's successor, President Gerald R. Ford, requested an additional $300 million for Saigon. Democrats saw it as an exercise in political blame-shifting. "The administration knows that the $300 million won't really do anything to prevent ultimate collapse in Vietnam," said Senator and future Vice President Walter F. Mondale, D-Mn., "and it is just trying to shift responsibility of its policy to Congress and the Democrats." Congress didn't approve the supplemental appropriation.

Nixon privately realized that Vietnamization and negotiation would not work as he said they would.

"South Vietnam probably can never even survive anyway," he said in private, but never in public. To conceal Vietnamization's failure, Nixon timed the withdrawal of U.S. forces to the 1972 election. This way, California Governor Ronald Reagan could welcome delegates to the Republican National Convention in 1972 with the perfect words to launch the President's reelection campaign: "The last American combat team is on its way home from Vietnam."

To get the North Vietnamese to accept a settlement that, on paper, guaranteed the South's right to free elections, Nixon assured them, through the Soviet Union and China, that if they waited a "decent interval" of a year or two before taking over South Vietnam, he would not intervene. The Communists accepted Nixon's settlement terms because they knew that they didn't have to abide by them and the would get a clear shot at overthrowing the South Vietnamese government if they waited approximately 18 months after Nixon withdrew the last U.S. ground forces. Nixon wanted this "decent interval" to make it look like Saigon's fall wasn't his fault.

 

[JoeB131]

There was no lie and they had no more exposure to carcinohens than anyone else

Ever hear of Agent Orange?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Ever hear of Agent Orange?

Yes it was a defoliant not a bomb

Moron

 

[JoeB131]

Yes it was a defoliant not a bomb

Moron

Yes, a defoliant containing Dioxin (a carcinogen) that was used on jungles that GIs then had to march through.

Do the math.

But remember, we are still mad at Fonda 50 years later because she did an ill-advised photo op with an AA Gun.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes, a defoliant containing Dioxin (a carcinogen) that was used on jungles that GIs then had to march through.

Do the math.

yes it contained dioxin in TRACE amounts. as in one molecule per six billion molecules.

Less than the dioxin one finds throughout nature in the dirt

It was also used nation wide here in the US in common chemical weed killers

You are full of shit and demonstrated no grasp of math which is typical of your ignorant comments

 

[JoeB131]

yes it contained dioxin in TRACE amounts. as in one molecule per six billion molecules.

Less than the dioxin one finds throughout nature in the dirt

It was also used nation wide here in the US in common chemical weed killers

You are full of shit and demonstrated no grasp of math which is typical of your ignorant comments

The Veteran's Administration says differently.

VA.gov | Veterans Affairs

Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more.

www.publichealth.va.gov

Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange​

VA assumes that certain diseases can be related to a Veteran's qualifying military service. We call these "presumptive diseases."

VA recognizes certain cancers and other health problems as presumptive diseases associated with exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides during military service. Veterans and their survivors may be eligible for benefits for these diseases.

• AL Amyloidosis
  A rare disease caused when an abnormal protein, amyloid, enters tissues or organs
• Bladder Cancer
  A type of cancer that affects the bladder where urine is stored before it leaves the body
• Chronic B-cell Leukemias
  A type of cancer which affects white blood cells. This includes all chronic B-cell leukemias, including, but not limited to, hairy-cell leukemias and chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
• Chloracne (or similar acneform disease)
  A skin condition that occurs soon after exposure to chemicals and looks like common forms of acne seen in teenagers. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of exposure to herbicides.
• Diabetes Mellitus Type 2
  A disease characterized by high blood sugar levels resulting from the body’s inability to respond properly to the hormone insulin
• Hypertension
• Hodgkin's Disease
  A malignant lymphoma (cancer) characterized by progressive enlargement of the lymph nodes, liver, and spleen, and by progressive anemia
• Hypothyroidism
  A condition that causes the thyroid gland to not produce enough of certain important hormones
• Ischemic Heart Disease
  A disease characterized by a reduced supply of blood to the heart, that leads to chest pain
• Monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance (MGUS)
• Multiple Myeloma
  A cancer of plasma cells, a type of white blood cell in bone marrow
• Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
  A group of cancers that affect the lymph glands and other lymphatic tissue
• Parkinsonism
  Any condition that causes a combination of abnormal movements. These include slow movements, trouble speaking, stiff muscles, or tremors.
• Parkinson's Disease
  A progressive disorder of the nervous system that affects muscle movement
• Peripheral Neuropathy, Early-Onset
  A nervous system condition that causes numbness, tingling, and motor weakness. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within one year of herbicide exposure.
• Porphyria Cutanea Tarda
  A disorder characterized by liver dysfunction and by thinning and blistering of the skin in sun-exposed areas. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within one year of exposure to herbicides.
• Prostate Cancer
  Cancer of the prostate; one of the most common cancers among men
• Respiratory Cancers (includes lung cancer)
  Cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea, and bronchus
• Soft Tissue Sarcomas (other than osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, Kaposi's sarcoma, or mesothelioma)
  A group of different types of cancers in body tissues such as muscle, fat, blood and lymph vessels, and connective tissues

Children with birth defects​

VA presumes certain birth defects in children of Vietnam and Korea Veterans are associated with Veterans' qualifying military service.

Veterans with Lou Gehrig's Disease​

VA presumes Lou Gehrig's Disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or ALS) diagnosed in all Veterans who had 90 days or more continuous active military service is related to their service, although ALS is not related to Agent Orange exposure.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Veteran's Administration says differently.

VA.gov | Veterans Affairs

Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more.

www.publichealth.va.gov

Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange​

VA assumes that certain diseases can be related to a Veteran's qualifying military service. We call these "presumptive diseases."

VA recognizes certain cancers and other health problems as presumptive diseases associated with exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides during military service. Veterans and their survivors may be eligible for benefits for these diseases.

• AL Amyloidosis
  A rare disease caused when an abnormal protein, amyloid, enters tissues or organs
• Bladder Cancer
  A type of cancer that affects the bladder where urine is stored before it leaves the body
• Chronic B-cell Leukemias
  A type of cancer which affects white blood cells. This includes all chronic B-cell leukemias, including, but not limited to, hairy-cell leukemias and chronic lymphocytic leukemia.
• Chloracne (or similar acneform disease)
  A skin condition that occurs soon after exposure to chemicals and looks like common forms of acne seen in teenagers. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10 percent disabling within one year of exposure to herbicides.
• Diabetes Mellitus Type 2
  A disease characterized by high blood sugar levels resulting from the body’s inability to respond properly to the hormone insulin
• Hypertension
• Hodgkin's Disease
  A malignant lymphoma (cancer) characterized by progressive enlargement of the lymph nodes, liver, and spleen, and by progressive anemia
• Hypothyroidism
  A condition that causes the thyroid gland to not produce enough of certain important hormones
• Ischemic Heart Disease
  A disease characterized by a reduced supply of blood to the heart, that leads to chest pain
• Monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance (MGUS)
• Multiple Myeloma
  A cancer of plasma cells, a type of white blood cell in bone marrow
• Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
  A group of cancers that affect the lymph glands and other lymphatic tissue
• Parkinsonism
  Any condition that causes a combination of abnormal movements. These include slow movements, trouble speaking, stiff muscles, or tremors.
• Parkinson's Disease
  A progressive disorder of the nervous system that affects muscle movement
• Peripheral Neuropathy, Early-Onset
  A nervous system condition that causes numbness, tingling, and motor weakness. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within one year of herbicide exposure.
• Porphyria Cutanea Tarda
  A disorder characterized by liver dysfunction and by thinning and blistering of the skin in sun-exposed areas. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within one year of exposure to herbicides.
• Prostate Cancer
  Cancer of the prostate; one of the most common cancers among men
• Respiratory Cancers (includes lung cancer)
  Cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea, and bronchus
• Soft Tissue Sarcomas (other than osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, Kaposi's sarcoma, or mesothelioma)
  A group of different types of cancers in body tissues such as muscle, fat, blood and lymph vessels, and connective tissues

Children with birth defects​

VA presumes certain birth defects in children of Vietnam and Korea Veterans are associated with Veterans' qualifying military service.

Veterans with Lou Gehrig's Disease​

VA presumes Lou Gehrig's Disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or ALS) diagnosed in all Veterans who had 90 days or more continuous active military service is related to their service, although ALS is not related to Agent Orange exposure.

of course they do

they are a corrupt government beauracracy who desperately need excuses to get patients in the bed


Notice how they say the PRESUME birth defects are ASSOCIATED with military service

By definition that is not scientific evidence
Not all veterans were exposed to agent orange in fact FEW were exposed to it

They cannot even TRY to seperate those who were from those who were not exposed.

Their entire claim is fraudulent

 

[JoeB131]

of course they do

they are a corrupt government beauracracy who desperately need excuses to get patients in the bed

Sounds like a guy who has never had to deal with the VA. Probably because you never served.

Notice how they say the PRESUME birth defects are ASSOCIATED with military service

Birth defects associated with AO isn't really in dispute.

It was known at the time of the war when many Vietnamese women were reporting them.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Sounds like a guy who has never had to deal with the VA. Probably because you never served.


Birth defects associated with AO isn't really in dispute.

It was known at the time of the war when many Vietnamese women were reporting them.

Sounds like a stolen valor punk who lies about serving and has never proved it

Although you do run around bragging about making you a pig shit liar and a person of low integrity

I have caught and PROVED you to be a ******* fraud and lair who never served and you know this BOY

Yes it is indispute because ther eis not one shred of evidence that they are associated with it which you the VA ADMITS

It was not known at the time, They were reporting the same birth defects at the same rate before the US got involved because they were a third world nation

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Hanoi Jane was right, you know.

I was none too pleased at the time. But history has long vindicated her.

Watch this video, see Jane smiling with the enemy, then ask yourself how American GI's who were over there must have felt.

 

[GLASNOST]

Watch this video, see Jane smiling with the enemy, then ask yourself how American GI's who were over there must have felt.

I was over there and I'm telling you that she is a hero.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I was over there and I'm telling you that she is a hero.

You were not over there and you are full of shit

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Let's not forget WHY she went over.

Nixon was intentionally bombing agricultural infrastructure in an attempt to force Hanoi to the negotiating table to sign a treaty that let Nixon save face. (Everyone knew the Saigon Quislings were doomed the minute we pulled out.)

She was pointing out the damage we were doing in an illegal act of war.

Sherman's March to the Sea

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No, he could have surrendered in 1969, instead he defeated the North Vietnamese and got a fair peace treaty. It’s not his, or the USA’s fault that North Vietnam violated the treaty with the full support of the USSR. It was our democrat”# fault that we failed to supply the support promised in the treaty after the PRVN shattered it by invading the RVN.

Anyone Who Is Proud to Die Taking a Rich Kid's Place Might as Well Be Already Dead

You probably believed that LBJ purposely kept the Republicans' sons out of having to fight because he knew they would then get credit for winning the war.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Ever hear of Agent Orange?

Non-Elitist Americans Need Agent Orange-Man-Bad to Defoliate the Ivy League