Hamas—not Israel—is responsible for obstructing the flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza civilians.

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Well, no professional has defined it as a nation or a country back then. The AI write up you presented said so -- "Palestine has never existed as a fully sovereign, independent country with internationally recognized borders and governance in the traditional sense."

AI took the definition from documents prepared by professionals.

You can yell but that means nothing. The nation of Arabs has been in historic Palestine for a long, long time. It does not need to be fully sovereigh or independent in land ever.

The Jews have not a rump sovereignity for 21 centuries before 1948.

That did not give it any sovereignity in 1948. Only success in war then and since.

You will have to deal with the Arabs, and that is a monumental problem and has been for more than 75 years. It will be forever.

 

[rosends]

AI took the definition from documents prepared by professionals.

and as I showed, it disproved your claim.

The nation of Arabs

what is the "nation of Arabs"?

has been in historic Palestine for a long, long time. It does not need to be fully sovereigh or independent in land ever.

so it can make no historical claim to it being "theirs"

The Jews have not a rump sovereignity for 21 centuries before 1948.

ok, and?

That did not give it any sovereignity in 1948. Only success in war then and since.

You will have to deal with the Arabs, and that is a monumental problem and has been for more than 75 years. It will be forever.

ok. Good talk Russ.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

and as I showed, it disproved your claim.

what is the "nation of Arabs"?

so it can make no historical claim to it being "theirs"

ok, and?

ok. Good talk Russ.

Russ? Don't be cringy.

21 centuries greatly weakens Jews' claims to ancient or new Palestine.

They have it by force of arms, which I recognize as legal in their case.

But they have a titanic tiger by the tail.

 

[rosends]

Russ? Don't be cringy.

Not a fan of the classics I guess. Oh well. Your loss..

21 centuries greatly weakens Jews' claims to ancient or new Palestine.

this is what happens when you step in and don't have a clear idea of what's going on. The question was what I thought my ANCIENT HOMELAND is and I said "Israel." Now you agree that there WAS an an ancient homeland -- 21 centuries ago. So, um, yeah.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not a fan of the classics I guess. Oh well. Your loss..

this is what happens when you step in and don't have a clear idea of what's going on. The question was what I thought my ANCIENT HOMELAND is and I said "Israel." Now you agree that there WAS an an ancient homeland -- 21 centuries ago. So, um, yeah.

You are the one with the issue. There "was" an ancient homeland for the Jews. There has been an ancient homeland for the Arabs for more than a thousand years. What you think of it does not matter in reality.

The issue is now. How does Israel secure its safety. You have 2.5 mm unhappy Arabs in Gaza with the devilish Hamas pulling strings

What are you doing to do?

You don't have a clue, Shoshanah.

 

[rosends]

You are the one with the issue. There "was" an ancient homeland for the Jews.

Exactly, so when I'm asked "what is my native homeland" I can say "Israel, the ancient homeland of the Jews.: Thanks.

There has been an ancient homeland for the Arabs for more than a thousand years.

so what? and what do you mean by "homeland"? Was there some sort of uniform identity marking a distinct people? Was there a unique culture that reflected this separate group?

The issue is now. How does Israel secure its safety. You have 2.5 mm unhappy Arabs in Gaza with the devilish Hamas pulling strings

What are you doing to do?

I'm not going to do anything. I live in New Jersey.

You don't have a clue, Shoshanah.

If that was a Simpsons reference, points.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You have no clue how to resolve that mess?

And neither do I.

Did you use to hang with Snake Jailbird, too?

 

[rosends]

You have no clue how to resolve that mess?

And neither do I.

Did you use to hang with Snake Jailbird, too?

Points, indeed!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Points, indeed!

He was wanted to be a very bad boy. Maybe for Springfield, he was.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Points, indeed!

He wanted to be a very bad boy. Maybe for Springfield, he was.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[AZrailwhale]

Here's a real surprise.
Greedy, racist Jews starve children to death in order to steal more land

"Poll: 4 out of 5 Jewish Israelis are not troubled by the famine in Gaza"​

Poll: 4 out of 5 Jewish Israelis are not troubled by the famine in Gaza | MR Online

Take a look at the woman's hands and face. She is not emaciated at all. As usual, it's a staged photo.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Take a look at the woman's hands and face. She is not emaciated at all. As usual, it's a staged photo.

of course the well fed woman had to eat one of her children

 

[georgephillip]

Take a look at the woman's hands and face. She is not emaciated at all. As usual, it's a staged photo.

Take a look at reality:

In Gaza, mounting evidence of famine and widespread starvation

 

[AZrailwhale]

Take a look at reality:

In Gaza, mounting evidence of famine and widespread starvation

You are delusional if you believe Hamas’ propaganda, nothing comes out of Hamas held territory that is true.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hamas is starving its own people.

 

[georgephillip]

You are delusional if you believe Hamas’ propaganda, nothing comes out of Hamas held territory that is true.

I'm not sufficiently delusional to believe there is not a genocide currently happening in Gaza; are you?

https://www.btselem.org/topic/gaza_strip

"The Gaza Strip is in the throes of a manmade humanitarian disaster.

"This is a direct result of Israel’s official policy, which continues to determine daily life in Gaza. Israel could change this policy and significantly improve quality of life in Gaza.

"It could also persist in its callous, indefensible policy which sentences the nearly two million residents of the Gaza Strip to a life of abject poverty in near inhuman conditions"

 

[georgephillip]

You are delusional if you believe Hamas’ propaganda, nothing comes out of Hamas held territory that is true.

Hamas numbers are an undercount, at best.

OPEN LETTER to Journalists on the Vast Undercount of Deaths & Serious Injuries in Gaza

"Now, if you take the current Hamas figure of just over 62,000, you are telling the public that 97% of Gazans are still alive.

"This is lethally absurd.

"A more conservative figure is that 500,000 Palestinians have been killed from Netanyahu’s non-stop Palestinian Holocaust (more than all the U.S. soldiers killed in WWII.)

"This means that an incredible about one-out-of-four Palestinians have been killed.

"American doctors and other health workers back from Gaza say almost all the survivors are either sick, injured, or dying.

"Without insulin, medicines for cancer, asthma, and heart disease for many months, with no shelters, with dense/deadly air pollutants, from incessant bombings, their observations are not surprising."

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

georgephillip has been reported to ICE.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm not sufficiently delusional to believe there is not a genocide currently happening in Gaza; are you?

https://www.btselem.org/topic/gaza_strip

"The Gaza Strip is in the throes of a manmade humanitarian disaster.

"This is a direct result of Israel’s official policy, which continues to determine daily life in Gaza. Israel could change this policy and significantly improve quality of life in Gaza.

"It could also persist in its callous, indefensible policy which sentences the nearly two million residents of the Gaza Strip to a life of abject poverty in near inhuman conditions"

If Israel was attempting a Genocide there would be hundreds of thousands of dead "Palestinians". Israel could depopulate Gaza in a matter of weeks by aerial and artillery bombardment if it desired. Instead, Israel does far more to avoid civilian casualties among civilians than ANY other military force ever has. The specifically included the Russians in Ukraine, you deliberate avoid their actual attempts at genocide by kidnapping children and targeting civilian neighbor hoods with out any warning at all.