Hamas—not Israel—is responsible for obstructing the flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza civilians.

AZrailwhale said:
If Israel was attempting a Genocide there would be hundreds of thousands of dead "Palestinians". Israel could depopulate Gaza in a matter of weeks by aerial and artillery bombardment if it desired. Instead, Israel does far more to avoid civilian casualties among civilians than ANY other military force ever has. The specifically included the Russians in Ukraine, you deliberate avoid their actual attempts at genocide by kidnapping children and targeting civilian neighbor hoods with out any warning at all.
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Obvious Truth is Obvious.
 
M14 Shooter said:
If you believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, then yes, you are delusional.
Or willfully ignorant.
You decide.
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Facts are facts regardless of your delusional decisions:

Israel to forcibly displace from Gaza City, Putin courts Trump, Bolivia’s right-wing gains, U.S. stops medical treatment for Gaza’s children
  • "Israeli forces killed at least 17 people across Gaza since dawn, eight of whom were seeking aid, according to Al Jazeera. The Ministry of Health recorded 60 people killed over the past 24 hours, including 27 while seeking aid. Five more people died due to starvation, including two children. In total, Israel has killed 62,004 people and injured 156,230 since October 7, 2023, according to the Ministry of Health.
  • "Israel announced plans to forcibly displace hundreds of thousands of Palestinians toward southern Gaza as part of its operation to seize Gaza City.

  • "The army has already targeted the city’s Al-Zaytoun neighborhood with fighter jets, artillery, and explosive robots, systematically destroying hundreds of homes. Journalist Abdel Qader (@AbdSabbah91) is reporting the latest developments from the ground."
 
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AZrailwhale said:
If Israel was attempting a Genocide there would be hundreds of thousands of dead "Palestinians". Israel could depopulate Gaza in a matter of weeks by aerial and artillery bombardment if it desired.
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What percentage of Gazans have the racist Jews killed so far in their Gazan genocide?

An Open Letter to Media Executives Regarding the Vast Undercount of Gaza Carnage | Common Dreams

"If you take the current Hamas figure of just over 62,000, you are telling the public that 97% of Gazans are still alive. This is lethally absurd."
 
georgephillip said:
Facts are facts regardless of your delusional decisions:

Israel to forcibly displace from Gaza City, Putin courts Trump, Bolivia’s right-wing gains, U.S. stops medical treatment for Gaza’s children
  • "Israeli forces killed at least 17 people across Gaza since dawn, eight of whom were seeking aid, according to Al Jazeera. The Ministry of Health recorded 60 people killed over the past 24 hours, including 27 while seeking aid. Five more people died due to starvation, including two children. In total, Israel has killed 62,004 people and injured 156,230 since October 7, 2023, according to the Ministry of Health.
  • "Israel announced plans to forcibly displace hundreds of thousands of Palestinians toward southern Gaza as part of its operation to seize Gaza City.

  • "The army has already targeted the city’s Al-Zaytoun neighborhood with fighter jets, artillery, and explosive robots, systematically destroying hundreds of homes. Journalist Abdel Qader (@AbdSabbah91) is reporting the latest developments from the ground."
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but you realize that those pieces of information do not point to a genocide under the legal definition, right?
 
AZrailwhale said:
If Israel was attempting a Genocide there would be hundreds of thousands of dead "Palestinians". Israel could depopulate Gaza in a matter of weeks by aerial and artillery bombardment if it desired. Instead, Israel does far more to avoid civilian casualties among civilians than ANY other military force ever has. The specifically included the Russians in Ukraine, you deliberate avoid their actual attempts at genocide by kidnapping children and targeting civilian neighbor hoods with out any warning at all.
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Where have more children been killed, Ukraine or Gaza?

"Ukraine​


  • As of a recent report, at least 669 children have been killed in the war in Ukraine, with nearly 1,833 injured, per United Nations data by the end of 2024.Wall Street Journal
  • Another data point—from The Washington Post citing UN figures—notes that 55 children were killed in 2025 alone, with 43 of those deaths confirmed through direct verification.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF data (November 2024) shows 659 children killed and 1,747 injured, for a total of around 2,406 child casualties (killed or injured) since the escalation in early 2022..."

"Gaza​


  • As of July 2025, Gaza’s Health Ministry reports at least 18,500 children killed among over 60,000 total deaths.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF estimates that more than 17,000 children have been killed and 33,000 injured over 21 months of conflict.YouTube
  • A UNICEF press release (April 2025) notes that in just the 10 days following a ceasefire breakdown, at least 322 children were killed and 609 injured, with totals now exceeding 15,000 child deaths.UNICEFBBC
  • Earlier breakdowns (Oct 2023 – Aug 2024) show around 11,300 identified child deaths, of which 3,100 were under age five.Save the Children International
  • Historical figures from Al Jazeera reported at least 17,400 children killed"
ChatGPT: "How does the number of dead children in Ukraine compare to the number of dead children in Gaza?"
 
georgephillip said:
Where have more children been killed, Ukraine or Gaza?

"Ukraine​


  • As of a recent report, at least 669 children have been killed in the war in Ukraine, with nearly 1,833 injured, per United Nations data by the end of 2024.Wall Street Journal
  • Another data point—from The Washington Post citing UN figures—notes that 55 children were killed in 2025 alone, with 43 of those deaths confirmed through direct verification.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF data (November 2024) shows 659 children killed and 1,747 injured, for a total of around 2,406 child casualties (killed or injured) since the escalation in early 2022..."

"Gaza​


  • As of July 2025, Gaza’s Health Ministry reports at least 18,500 children killed among over 60,000 total deaths.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF estimates that more than 17,000 children have been killed and 33,000 injured over 21 months of conflict.YouTube
  • A UNICEF press release (April 2025) notes that in just the 10 days following a ceasefire breakdown, at least 322 children were killed and 609 injured, with totals now exceeding 15,000 child deaths.UNICEFBBC
  • Earlier breakdowns (Oct 2023 – Aug 2024) show around 11,300 identified child deaths, of which 3,100 were under age five.Save the Children International
  • Historical figures from Al Jazeera reported at least 17,400 children killed"
ChatGPT: "How does the number of dead children in Ukraine compare to the number of dead children in Gaza?"
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The Gaza "Health Ministry" is a propaganda arm of Hamas. It has been caught over and over and over again either inflating or just making up casualty numbers, damage to Gazan hospitals caused by Hamas short rounds that it blamed on Israel and on and on.
 
rosends said:
but you realize that those pieces of information do not point to a genocide under the legal definition, right?
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No.
I don't because the actions of Israel in Gaza comply with the legal definition of genocide.

"The Convention defines genocide as any of five 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'

Genocide Convention - Wikipedia

"These five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.

"Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly."
 
georgephillip said:
No.
I don't because the actions of Israel in Gaza comply with the legal definition of genocide.

"The Convention defines genocide as any of five 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'

Genocide Convention - Wikipedia

"These five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.

"Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly."
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And what group do you have in mind?

www.ajc.org

5 Reasons Why the Events in Gaza Are Not “Genocide”

Here are five reasons why the use of the term genocide -- which has come up Macklemore’s "Hinds Hall" song -- in Israel's self-defense campaign is inaccurate, misleading, and dangerous.
www.ajc.org www.ajc.org
 
M14 Shooter said:
They are.
Fact: Genocide has a specific meaning under international law:
www.un.org

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org www.un.org
Fact: You cannot demonstrate Israel has engaged in genocide.
Fact: If you believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, then yes, you are delusional, Or willfully ignorant.
Let us know which.
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Your link:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. "Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Have you noticed any greedy, racist Israeli Jews killing members of the Gazan community?

What about the heroic IDF causing serious bodily or mental harm to Gazans?

Seen any evidence of genocidal Jews inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction in whole or in part of the Gazan civilian population?
 
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georgephillip said:
Your link:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
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Fact: You cannot demonstrate that Israel is acting with the intent to destroy the population of Gaza.
Fact: You cannot demonstrate Israel has engaged in genocide.
Fact: If you believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, then yes, you are delusional, Or willfully ignorant.

You choose to lie.
 
georgephillip said:
Where have more children been killed, Ukraine or Gaza?

"Ukraine​


  • As of a recent report, at least 669 children have been killed in the war in Ukraine, with nearly 1,833 injured, per United Nations data by the end of 2024.Wall Street Journal
  • Another data point—from The Washington Post citing UN figures—notes that 55 children were killed in 2025 alone, with 43 of those deaths confirmed through direct verification.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF data (November 2024) shows 659 children killed and 1,747 injured, for a total of around 2,406 child casualties (killed or injured) since the escalation in early 2022..."

"Gaza​


  • As of July 2025, Gaza’s Health Ministry reports at least 18,500 children killed among over 60,000 total deaths.The Washington Post
  • UNICEF estimates that more than 17,000 children have been killed and 33,000 injured over 21 months of conflict.YouTube
  • A UNICEF press release (April 2025) notes that in just the 10 days following a ceasefire breakdown, at least 322 children were killed and 609 injured, with totals now exceeding 15,000 child deaths.UNICEFBBC
  • Earlier breakdowns (Oct 2023 – Aug 2024) show around 11,300 identified child deaths, of which 3,100 were under age five.Save the Children International
  • Historical figures from Al Jazeera reported at least 17,400 children killed"
ChatGPT: "How does the number of dead children in Ukraine compare to the number of dead children in Gaza?"
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Then get Hamas to surrender.
 
M14 Shooter said:
Fact: You cannot demonstrate that Israel is acting with the intent to destroy the population of Gaza.
Fact: You cannot demonstrate Israel has engaged in genocide.
Fact: If you believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, then yes, you are delusional, Or willfully ignorant.

You choose to lie.
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You choose denial:

  1. "Statements from Israeli officials that critics cite as evidence of intent​


  • "Defense Minister Yoav Gallant (Oct 9, 2023): announced a 'complete siege' — 'no electricity, no food, no fuel,' language rights groups flagged as starving a civilian population as a method of warfare and often introduced as evidence of genocidal intent. The Times of Israelglobalrightscompliance.org
  • Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu (Nov 5, 2023): suggested a nuclear strike on Gaza was 'an option' (he was disciplined, but the remark is commonly cited in intent analyses). ReutersThe Times of IsraelThe Guardian
  • A newly surfaced 2025 recording of former Israeli military intelligence chief Aharon Haliva endorsing a civilian kill ratio (50 Palestinians for each Oct. 7 victim) is being cited as explicit approval of mass civilian killing as deterrence. (This is a recent media revelation; it doesn’t bind the state, but it’s probative to some analysts’ intent assessments.)"

  • ChatGPT: "What evidence supports the claim Israel is acting with intent to destroy the population of Gaza?"
 
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