Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

No, I'm the one accusing the Israeli government of being responsible for the atrocities committed against the Palestinian people. And I am hardly alone.
And yet we all know there are no atrocities being committed by Israel against the so called Palestinians. All of the atrocities being committed are by the "Palestinian people" against Israeli Jews. Only an antisemite like you would ignore the ongoing atrocities being committed by the Palestinians and falsely accuse Israel of committing atrocities.
 
I'm done here. You two hear only what you want to hear..
We can only go by what you write. You addressed us.

When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world and play into the hands of Hamas. You are all legitimizing Hamas, a terrorist organization. Good work, I hope Hamas is paying you all well.
This is not commentary on how Israel's government has acted.

But we can drop this. I'd love to ask you more about holding the people of Gaza responsible for their future and what they could/should be doing towards that future.
 
When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world and play into the hands of Hamas. You are all legitimizing Hamas, a terrorist organization. Good work, I hope Hamas is paying you all well.
At least you have finally admitted you are an antisemite.
 
No, I'm the one accusing the Israeli government of being responsible for the atrocities committed against the Palestinian people. And I am hardly alone.
Would you clarify what "atrocities" are being committed against the Palestinian people by the Israeli government? No one seems to want to identify specifically the acts and policies.
 
I'm done here. You two hear only what you want to hear..
You said, upthread, that you “hope HAMAS is paying us well.”

Absolutely DISGUSTING for you two suggest to the Jewish women posting here that they are working for the very enemy that seeks to annihilate the Jews!

And then….you deny it. We HEARD exactly what you said.
 
Ghazi Hamad, a senior member of the Hamas politburo, told Al Jazeera over the weekend that the wave of Western nations moving to recognize a Palestinian state is the result of “the fruits” of Hamas’ October 7, 2023, massacre.

In a clip of his interview with the outlet yesterday, Hamad asked the interviewer: “Why are all the countries recognizing a Palestinian state today? Before October 7, did any country dare recognize a Palestinian state?”


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He continues: “The fruits of October 7 are what caused the entire world to open its eyes to the Palestinian issue — and they are moving toward it with force. That is, that the Palestinian people are a people who deserve a country.”

Dozens of countries had recognized Palestinian statehood prior to the October 7 attack, though in recent weeks, many more have taken steps in that direction, including a number of major Israeli allies, citing the need to bring an end to the war in Gaza.

Responding to Hamad’s remarks, Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar — who has argued that unilateral recognition at this time “rewards terror” — called out France, the United Kingdom, and Canada for announcing plans to recognize a Palestinian state in September, asking rhetorically in a post on X: “If this [is] who applauds you — what does it say about you?”


Britain, France, Canada and Hamas apparently all think alike.
He seems to be right.

The entire world is wising up to the bigotry, brutality and savagery of the nation of Israel.

It won't end well for them.
 
I posted something elsewhere along those lines. Prolonging the war and the suffering of Gazans is in their evil interests. To make the duplicitous West hate Israel even more.

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Do you know that, I too, am an American writer and commentator?

Even you are.

What are that idiot's credentials?
 
This is not commentary on how Israel's government has acted.
My bad, you certainly sounded like lovers of Hama so I just assumed you worked for them.

But we can drop this. I'd love to ask you more about holding the people of Gaza responsible for their future and what they could/should be doing towards that future.
I don't have a plan beyond not killing or exiling them all. I'm open to all suggestions.
 
Would you clarify what "atrocities" are being committed against the Palestinian people by the Israeli government? No one seems to want to identify specifically the acts and policies.

Israel’s Crimes Against Humanity in Gaza

Mass Forced Displacement and Widespread Destruction
  • Israeli authorities have caused massive, deliberate forced displacement of Palestinian civilians in Gaza since October 2023 and are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
  • There is no plausible imperative military reason to justify Israel’s mass displacement of nearly all of Gaza’s population, often multiple times. Rather than ensuring civilians’ security, military “evacuation orders” have caused grave harm.
  • Governments should adopt targeted sanctions and other measures, and halt weapons sales to Israel. The International Criminal Court prosecutor should investigate Israel’s forced displacement and prevention of the right to return as a crime against humanity.
There are many similar accusations from the UN, BBC, Amnesty Int., etc.
 
You said, upthread, that you “hope HAMAS is paying us well.”

Absolutely DISGUSTING for you two suggest to the Jewish women posting here that they are working for the very enemy that seeks to annihilate the Jews!

And then….you deny it. We HEARD exactly what you said.
But you are serving to further their agenda, whether you want to admit it or not. I just didn't realize you were volunteers.
 
My bad, you certainly sounded like lovers of Hama so I just assumed you worked for them.
I am entirely at a loss as to how demanding that Hamas:
  • be held accountable for their belligerent invasion and crimes against humanity
  • immediately return the hostages
  • give up government and all power in Gaza
  • demilitarize Gaza
  • remaining fighters accept exile and hope that fresh terrorist activity doesn't bring a quiet bomb in the night
in any way sounds like I love, support, or condone Hamas' actions.
 
I don't have a plan beyond not killing or exiling them all. I'm open to all suggestions.
Of course you don't. No one who accuses Israel of * waves hands * has any suggestions.

How about we start with a declaration of recognition of Israel, and of Israel as a Jewish state, a declaration of borders, and a peace treaty?
 
He seems to be right.

The entire world is wising up to the bigotry, brutality and savagery of the nation of Israel.

It won't end well for them.
Were you a better reader, you would understand that what he is saying is, in response to the "bigotry, brutality, and savagery" of the Palestinians, as exemplified by the Oct 7 massacre of random Jews in Israel and the subsequent torture and murders of many of them, some countries want to talk about support for a Palestinian state.

The Palestinian cause, as we all know, is the elimination of the state of Israel and the Jews from the ME, and these gestures by the governments of Britain, France, Canada and Australia to "recognize" the non existent state of Palestine which appears to be in support of that goal is remonstrant of the time when the Europeans tried to eliminate Jews from Europe.
 
I am entirely at a loss as to how demanding that Hamas:
  • be held accountable for their belligerent invasion and crimes against humanity
  • immediately return the hostages
  • give up government and all power in Gaza
  • demilitarize Gaza
  • remaining fighters accept exile and hope that fresh terrorist activity doesn't bring a quiet bomb in the night
in any way sounds like I love, support, or condone Hamas' actions.
It doesn’t. Alang is an antisemite who knows fully well how reprehensible it is to accuse Jews of working with Islamic terrorists who want to destroy Jews - so that’s why she keeps doubling down.
 
Were you a better reader, you would understand that what he is saying is, in response to the "bigotry, brutality, and savagery" of the Palestinians, as exemplified by the Oct 7 massacre of random Jews in Israel and the subsequent torture and murders of many of them, some countries want to talk about support for a Palestinian state.

The Palestinian cause, as we all know, is the elimination of the state of Israel and the Jews from the ME, and these gestures by the governments of Britain, France, Canada and Australia to "recognize" the non existent state of Palestine which appears to be in support of that goal is remonstrant of the time when the Europeans tried to eliminate Jews from Europe.
We don't all "know" what you stated.

That said, do Palestinians have a right to exist?
 
  • Israeli authorities have caused massive, deliberate forced displacement of Palestinian civilians
Great. I can work with that.

First and foremost, Egypt is a signatory to the Convention and Protocol of Relating to the Status of Refugees and is thus obligated under international law to accept refugees fleeing war. It is unconscionable that the civilians of Gaza were prevented from fleeing the war and not provided with safe housing and aid. It is unconscionable that the international community not only permitted this breach of humanitarian law, but demanded it. Only Israel has been required to conduct a war in which civilians were trapped in a combat zone. Unless we (international community, we) are prepared to introduce new customary humanitarian law that NO PEOPLE should be permitted to flee from war and that civilians MUST remain in place during war, we are holding Israel to a separate standard. That's antisemitism.

Next. Displacement of a population during war is permissible for protection of civilians and for military necessity. See below (emphasis mine).

GCIV Protocol II Article 17 - Prohibition of forced movement of civilians

1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition.

International Customary Humanitarian Law Rule 129
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.


Israel has consistently and publicly stated that temporary displacement of the civilian population in Gaza is intended for the protection of that population. Israel has deliberately hamstrung its military operations in order to evacuate civilians prior to military actions. Israel has deliberately placed its soldiers in harm's way to ensure that evacuations have taken place.

What have you got to convince me that Israel intentionally displaced civilian populations for evil or malicious reasons, rather than simply to keep them from harm's way?



Is that the only accusation you have, or are there others?
 
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I don't have a plan beyond not killing or exiling them all. I'm open to all suggestions.
If you are interested in possible solutions, you could check out "The Day After" thread. Not my ideas, but the ideas of someone from Gaza as to solutions and a way forward.
 
That said, do Palestinians have a right to exist?
Things that do exist, do exist. Arab Palestinian identity exists. Its foolish to ask whether an identity has a "right to exist" since the only purpose to that question would be to deny the right, perhaps with the intent of destroying that which already exists.

Same applies to Israel, and more so, since not only do the people of Israel exist, they have a state which also exists.
 
I am entirely at a loss as to how demanding that Hamas:
  • be held accountable for their belligerent invasion and crimes against humanity
  • immediately return the hostages
  • give up government and all power in Gaza
  • demilitarize Gaza
  • remaining fighters accept exile and hope that fresh terrorist activity doesn't bring a quiet bomb in the night
in any way sounds like I love, support, or condone Hamas' actions.
Sarcasm. Look it up. :banghead:
 
Great. I can work with that.

First and foremost, Egypt is a signatory to the Convention and Protocol of Relating to the Status of Refugees and is thus obligated under international law to accept refugees fleeing war. It is unconscionable that the civilians of Gaza were prevented from fleeing the war and not provided with safe housing and aid. It is unconscionable that the international community not only permitted this breach of humanitarian law, but demanded it. Only Israel has been required to conduct a war in which civilians were trapped in a combat zone. Unless we (international community, we) are prepared to introduce new customary humanitarian law that NO PEOPLE should be permitted to flee from war and that civilians MUST remain in place during war, we are holding Israel to a separate standard. That's antisemitism.

Next. Displacement of a population during war is permissible for protection of civilians and for military necessity. See below (emphasis mine).

GCIV Protocol II Article 17 - Prohibition of forced movement of civilians

1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition.

International Customary Humanitarian Law Rule 129
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.


Israel has consistently and publicly stated that temporary displacement of the civilian population in Gaza is intended for the protection of that population. Israel has deliberately hamstrung its military operations in order to evacuate civilians prior to military actions. Israel has deliberately placed its soldiers in harm's way to ensure that evacuations have taken place.

What have you got to convince me that Israel intentionally displaced civilian populations for evil or malicious reasons, rather than simply to keep them from harm's way?



Is that the only accusation you have, or are there others?
Israel has a poor history of allowing Palestinians the right to return once hostilities end.
 

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