Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[MarcATL]

‘Never again’ did they say?

What happened to that?

I was just about to say that Netenyahu is doing Hamas' handywork w/all the shit they're doing.

It won't end well for them.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I was just about to say that Netenyahu is doing Hamas' handywork w/all the shit they're doing.

It won't end well for them.

^ Ignorance must be bliss.

 

[gipper]

Facts little man learn them...stupid little terp

If it comes out 500,000 Palestinians half children are dead, do you still support your nation of Israel?

Yes or no.

 

[alang1216]

It was you who brought up October 7 in your post as a tit-for-tat comparison of numbers of dead.

Failing to respond to the content of my post is disingenuous. I am genuinely interested in your response.

This is a narrow, tit-for-tat view. Wars are not fought with the intent of equalizing the number of dead on each side.

Israel has determined that the government of Gaza - Hamas - intends to commit further invasions and atrocities on the citizens of Israel in the future. Israel has made this determination by the fact that Hamas has clearly and repeatedly and publicly said so. Israel has an obligation as a sovereign nation to protect her citizens from invasion and attack. This is the goal of the war: to prevent all future invasions and attacks from Gaza's current government by dismantling that government, demilitarizing the territory, and asserting overall security control. The goal of the war is to prevent an unknown number of future Israeli deaths. Many in Israel believe that this is an existential threat, not only to Israel, but to the Jewish people as a whole. These are morally and legally sound goals.

When we invaded Iraq, Bush was told by his AG "you break it, you bought it". I have not seen Israel create a government to replace Hamas, even if only temporarily. There have been instances in the, if I recall correctly, where Israel supported Hamas as a useful tool.

The conditions of this war were set by Hamas. They created the arena of war. This arena includes a vast tunnel system; weapons caches in civilian homes; command centers inside, under, or in the vicinity of protected places; booby-trapping buildings; fighting from within civilian crowds; lack of distinctive uniforms; hostage-taking; use of children in combatant roles; among other things. War crimes and crimes against humanity. These crimes are intended to restrict the IDF's legal and moral conduct of the war and to bring harm upon the people of Gaza with intent to bring international condemnation on Israel and end the war prematurely. The numbers of dead in Gaza are a direct and immediate result of the crimes committed by Hamas.

There has been a continuous spiral of violence since 1948 and even earlier. Drawing an arbitrary line and saying history began at that line is disingenuous at best. Palestinians can point to many actions of Israel they feel created the arena of war, way before Oct 7.

 

[Jroc]

If it comes out 500,000 Palestinians half children are dead, do you still support your nation of Israel?

Yes or no.

500,000!!! Wtf are you talking about idiot

 

[Shusha]

I have not seen Israel create a government to replace Hamas, even if only temporarily.

And yet, that is exactly what Israel has declared it will do, as part of the five principles.

Drawing an arbitrary line and saying history began at that line is disingenuous at best. Palestinians can point to many actions of Israel they feel created the arena of war, way before Oct 7.

Again with the dodge. Invading a sovereign nation and committing atrocities and crimes against humanity is by no means an "arbitrary" line. It is a very clear line of belligerence.

 

[gipper]

^ Ignorance must be bliss.

Says an immoral moron supporting genocide.

 

[gipper]

500,000!!! Wtf are you talking about idiot

Answer the question Nazi ****!

 

[BackAgain]

If some alleged “state” of Palestine is being recognized as the “fruit” of Oct. 7, that constitutes a powerful argument NOT to recognize Palestine as a state.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Stop lying.

I’m sure you love murdering school children as long as they are Arabs.

Unprovoked attacks on music festivals will tend to cause this kind of response.

Don't want to get bombed.....don't slaughter a music festival.

Pretty simple.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Most minorities are treated as second-class citizens. I live near a posh country club and they still do not admit Jews as members.

Are you trying to sound stupid?

 

[alang1216]

And yet, that is exactly what Israel has declared it will do, as part of the five principles.

'Will do'? People are dying trying to get food handouts. Without a working gov't this is hardly surprising. If Israel wants to make like so miserable that the Gazans flee and vacate the land, this would be a good way of doing it.

Again with the dodge. Invading a sovereign nation and committing atrocities and crimes against humanity is by no means an "arbitrary" line. It is a very clear line of belligerence.

Saying that is when the problems started is an arbitrary line. The problems go way back.

 

[alang1216]

Are you trying to sound stupid?

If you don't understand, just let me know, I can use smaller words.

 

[Jroc]

Starving Hamas leader...

 

[Shusha]

Saying that is when the problems started is an arbitrary line. The problems go way back.

Um. Except I haven’t said that. I’ve said that there was a clear belligerent event which was in response to your silly tit-for-tat understanding of the purpose and goals of war. Now you are just avoiding having a reasonable discussion.

The purpose and goals of Israel’s war against a belligerent invasion involving crimes against humanity on Israel’s citizens are to prevent future invasions and atrocities. Please respond to the subject of my posts.

 

[Jroc]

Um. Except I haven’t said that. I’ve said that there was a clear belligerent event which was in response to your silly tit-for-tat understanding of the purpose and goals of war. Now you are just avoiding having a reasonable discussion.

The purpose and goals of Israel’s war against a belligerent invasion involving crimes against humanity on Israel’s citizens are to prevent future invasions and atrocities. Please respond to the subject of my posts.

He only has spoon fed talking points, he doesn't really know anything

 

[Shusha]

'Will do'? People are dying trying to get food handouts.

This may be true. But the situation on the ground is much more complex than this. Delivering aid in the middle of a combat zone is not exactly straightforward. Hamas is the one creating the combat zone in humanitarian areas using the strategies I’ve already mentioned.

Without a working gov't this is hardly surprising.

The world keeps getting weirder and weirder. You expect Israel to set up a functioning government for it’s enemies before the war is concluded?

If Israel wants to make like so miserable that the Gazans flee and vacate the land, this would be a good way of doing it.

Insane. Israel is providing two million meals a day to the people of Gaza. That’s one for every person in Gaza every day. Meanwhile, Hamas, criminal gangs, clans, and other insurgents are stealing aid for their own uses. Seems to me like you’ve got this exactly inverted.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Unprovoked attacks on music festivals will tend to cause this kind of response.

Don't want to get bombed.....don't slaughter a music festival.

Pretty simple.

Imagine if something like that happened at Glastonbury.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If you don't understand, just let me know, I can use smaller words.

I understand you perfectly. You are equating the atrocities Jews have suffer at the hands of the Muslims, right down to Oct 7, to not being able to join a country club. The problem is not with the words you are using but with the mind that conceives such thoughts.

 

[gipper]

Unprovoked attacks on music festivals will tend to cause this kind of response.

Don't want to get bombed.....don't slaughter a music festival.

Pretty simple.

Look up Hannibal Directive dumb ****.

Do you think murdering 500,000 defenseless civilians and destroying their country is warranted because a terror group killed less than 1200?

You suck at math.