Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[Shusha]

No doubt you approve of starving to death all Gazans.

I condemn Hamas and the other groups who deliberately use starvation of their own people as a method of war and of funding war.

 

[rosends]

Deal: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.

um, yes. So expecting the disarming of Hamas is to the benefit of Israel; therefore it is part of their terms. And?

 

[alang1216]

um, yes. So expecting the disarming of Hamas is to the benefit of Israel; therefore it is part of their terms. And?

What are the Israelis offering the other party to a deal? A return to the status quo that existed before Oct 7, that was unacceptable to that other party?

 

[Shusha]

Israel has negotiated deals the Palestinians in the past, but Netanyahu doesn't seem interested in a deal, only dictating a complete surrender.

Yes, we are several decades, 700km of tunnels, two strangled and beaten babies, and hundreds of raped and tortured women away from making a "deal" with Hamas.

Again, let's stop infantilizing the Arab Palestinians. Return the hostages. Surrender. Demilitarize. Choose water, not war.

 

[rosends]

What are the Israelis offering the other party to a deal?

Disengagement and letting people return to their lives? Did you know that according to Hamas, the reason for the war is not about life in Gaza?
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• Hamas, which runs Gaza, said its offensive is a response to the desecration of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and increased settler violence."

Israel-Palestine escalation updates: Gaza under bombardment

These are the updates for the escalation between Palestinian fighters and Israel military on Saturday, October 7, 2023.

www.aljazeera.com

A return to the status quo that existed before Oct 7, that was unacceptable to that other party?

Who says that life was unacceptable before Oct 7? People came in and out. Goods came in and out. People bought fancy cars and stayed at fancy hotels. People shopped. And people fired rockets into Israel with no response.

 

[Lisa558]

Maybe if they let them move freely (in addition to other freedoms) they wouldn't be a danger to Israelis.

1) Why should Jews allow antisemites who want to eliminate them move freely? We saw what they do on Oct 7.

2) Why aren’t you asking why EGYPT won’t allow them to move freely into Egypt? After all, they’re not threatening to wipe out Egypt. Seems you expect Jews to bend over backwards to people who want them dead, and never expect a thing from their Arab neighbors.

I'm surprised you're an advocate for open borders.

I advocate for the Gazans to go to Egypt. At least they’re not teaching their kids to want to kill Egyptians.

I'm not the one saying one side is evil while the other side is pure as driven snow.

But you are siding with the side that has called for the extermination of Israel and teaches its kids to want to kill Jews, and against the Jews. Either you’re antisemitic, or just another ignorant Democrat.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I have no venom for Jews, only respect. The Israeli gov't, on the other hand, I find deplorable, and no better than Hamas.


If that happens you can thank Netanyahu.

That's what all the antisemites say, but if you had been blessed with a brain or a conscience, you wouldn't tell such stupid lies. The whole objection the Arabs/Muslims have to Israel is that it is Jewish; if it were Muslim, there would be no objections.

Hamas in particular is explicit in its Charter that it objects to Israel because it is Jewish, so when you claim there is no difference between Israel, a liberal democracy that has equal rights for Muslims and Jews, and Hamas, which objects to the state of Israel explicitly because it is Jewish, you self identify as an antisemite.

 

[Shusha]

What are the Israelis offering the other party to a deal? A return to the status quo that existed before Oct 7, that was unacceptable to that other party?

Absolutely not! You don't get to invade the sovereign territory of another State, commit atrocities on its citizens, force it into a war and then expect to end up in a better position than you were before the invasion. The best you can hope for is to survive in a nice somewhat smaller apartment in Qatar for the rest of your life and hope no one plants a bomb in your bedroom.

 

[Lisa558]

That's what all the antisemites say, but if you had been blessed with a brain or a conscience, you wouldn't tell such stupid lies. The whole objection the Arabs/Muslims have to Israel is that it is Jewish; if it were Muslim, there would be no objections.

Hamas in particular is explicit in its Charter that it objects to Israel because it is Jewish, so when you claim there is no difference between Israel, a liberal democracy that has equal rights for Muslims and Jews, and Hamas, which objects to the state of Israel explicitly because it is Jewish, you self identify as an antisemite.

And the fact that Alang says nothing about what other countries are doing is a dead giveaway, also.

Why doesn’t she ask why Ukrainians don’t allow Russians to move freely around Ukraine?

Why doesn’t she complain about the 20,000 children Russia has kidnapped?

Why doesn’t she mention that Myanmar threw 36,000 Rohingya Muslims into fire pits?

Why doesn’t she ***** about the Egyptians throwing up a wall to keep the Gazans in an “open-air prison”?

Nope. Her condemnation is strictly for Israel, which coincidently is run by Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

That's what all the antisemites say, but if you had been blessed with a brain or a conscience, you wouldn't tell such stupid lies. The whole objection the Arabs/Muslims have to Israel is that it is Jewish; if it were Muslim, there would be no objections.

Hamas in particular is explicit in its Charter that it objects to Israel because it is Jewish, so when you claim there is no difference between Israel, a liberal democracy that has equal rights for Muslims and Jews, and Hamas, which objects to the state of Israel explicitly because it is Jewish, you self identify as an antisemite.

I know…..that was the kicker, wasn’t it?: drawing a parallel between Islamic terrorists who target innocent civilians to torture them to death in the most savage, inhumane ways and the Jews who run Israel, provide medical care and electricity and water to those who want them dead, and send warnings before they bomb to give the civilians a chance to escape.

Such a disgusting parallel could only be drawn by an antisemite.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

No doubt you approve of starving to death all Gazans.

So you keep saying. Like a broken record.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[gipper]

So you keep saying. Like a broken record.

I know you don’t care about starving Gazans, but sane moral people do.

 

[gipper]

I condemn Hamas and the other groups who deliberately use starvation of their own people as a method of war and of funding war.

How convenient.

 

[alang1216]

Yes, we are several decades, 700km of tunnels, two strangled and beaten babies, and hundreds of raped and tortured women away from making a "deal" with Hamas.

Again, let's stop infantilizing the Arab Palestinians. Return the hostages. Surrender. Demilitarize. Choose water, not war.

What does surrender look like for a Palestinian?

 

[gipper]

why is there "no doubt"? I suspect that Shusha is against all starving, let alone to death, regardless of the people involved. For you to impute a position like that is intellectually dishonest.

Funny coming from you, who supports a genocide.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I know you don’t care about starving Gazans, but sane moral people do.

You said that before.

 

[alang1216]

Hamas, which runs Gaza, said its offensive is a response to the desecration of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and increased settler violence.

And they are all honorable men who would never lie to make their aggression acceptable. Just like Putin fighting for the poor Russians that live in Ukraine.

 

[gipper]

You said that before.

I’ll keep saying because it’s true. You certainly can’t deny it.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I’ll keep saying because it’s true. You certainly can’t deny it.

I don’t care.