Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[rosends]

Funny coming from you, who supports a genocide.

And why would you say that? It isn't true, and never has been.

 

[alang1216]

1) Why should Jews allow antisemites who want to eliminate them move freely? We saw what they do on Oct 7.

2) Why aren’t you asking why EGYPT won’t allow them to move freely into Egypt? After all, they’re not threatening to wipe out Egypt. Seems you expect Jews to bend over backwards to people who want them dead, and never expect a thing from their Arab neighbors.

I advocate for the Gazans to go to Egypt. At least they’re not teaching their kids to want to kill Egyptians.

But you are siding with the side that has called for the extermination of Israel and teaches its kids to want to kill Jews, and against the Jews. Either you’re antisemitic, or just another ignorant Democrat.

That's what all the antisemites say, but if you had been blessed with a brain or a conscience, you wouldn't tell such stupid lies. The whole objection the Arabs/Muslims have to Israel is that it is Jewish; if it were Muslim, there would be no objections.

Hamas in particular is explicit in its Charter that it objects to Israel because it is Jewish, so when you claim there is no difference between Israel, a liberal democracy that has equal rights for Muslims and Jews, and Hamas, which objects to the state of Israel explicitly because it is Jewish, you self identify as an antisemite.

Absolutely not! You don't get to invade the sovereign territory of another State, commit atrocities on its citizens, force it into a war and then expect to end up in a better position than you were before the invasion. The best you can hope for is to survive in a nice somewhat smaller apartment in Qatar for the rest of your life and hope no one plants a bomb in your bedroom.

When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world and play into the hands of Hamas. You are all legitimizing Hamas, a terrorist organization. Good work, I hope Hamas is paying you all well.

 

[Shusha]

What does surrender look like for a Palestinian?

Depends on what they are going to choose next.

 

[rosends]

And they are all honorable men who would never lie to make their aggression acceptable. Just like Putin fighting for the poor Russians that live in Ukraine.

It is somehow less honorable to fight for independence from oppression?

 

[Shusha]

When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world and play into the hands of Hamas. You are all legitimizing Hamas, a terrorist organization. Good work, I hope Hamas is paying you all well.

Please explain to me how I have, in any of my posts, legitimized Hamas?

 

[alang1216]

And the fact that Alang says nothing about what other countries are doing is a dead giveaway, also.

Why doesn’t she ask why Ukrainians don’t allow Russians to move freely around Ukraine?

Why doesn’t she complain about the 20,000 children Russia has kidnapped?

Why doesn’t she mention that Myanmar threw 36,000 Rohingya Muslims into fire pits?

Why doesn’t she ***** about the Egyptians throwing up a wall to keep the Gazans in an “open-air prison”?

Nope. Her condemnation is strictly for Israel, which coincidently is run by Jews.

Feel free to start a new thread and I'll be happy to give you my opinions.

 

[Shusha]

When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world

Hard nope. I am not accepting your victim-blaming. The world is perfectly capable of understanding the difference between individuals who belong to an ethnic group and national governments. No one is attacking Russians in the streets of the US, or in France, or in Canada, or in Greece, or anywhere else. The only ethnic group this does not seem to apply to is the Jewish people. This is not because the Jewish people are "doing it wrong". It is because antisemitism is unique.

 

[Lisa558]

Hard nope. I am not accepting your victim-blaming. The world is perfectly capable of understanding the difference between individuals who belong to an ethnic group and national governments. No one is attacking Russians in the streets of the US, or in France, or in Canada, or in Greece, or anywhere else. The only ethnic group this does not seem to apply to is the Jewish people. This is not because the Jewish people are "doing it wrong". It is because antisemitism is unique.

The venom we’ve seen spewed against Jews would never be tolerated were it against any other minority.

Can you imagine the reaction of libs and liberal universities if foreign students marched around chanting “Death to Blacks!” and set up “No Black Zones?! There would be outrage and expulsions. But since it’s against Jews, the universities are helping fund the barriers and refuse to say the calls to genocide Jews are unacceptable.

 

[Shusha]

There seems to be confusion between "legitimizing" and "holding accountable".

Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions.

 

[JoeB131]

I visited Gaza during this "occupation" (in 1994) and it was substantially less "free" to be in the Israeli community than to be out of it. Have you ever been?

Ah, I'm going to slap you with a reality here.

You felt COMFORTABLE in the Jewish areas in ways that you wouldn't in the Islamic Areas? Why? Because you are a Western person with Western values.

which is fine, if you want to live in a Western Country.

Palestine is not a Western country, and the Arabs are not a Western people.

Zionism is the last gasp of Western Colonialism, trying to impose OUR values on people who don't want them and haven't asked for them

 

[JoeB131]

The civil rule there is the result of a democratic election. Having borders, or needing to rely on external aid and resources isn't about governmental control. Hamas runs the place as an elected government.

Yeah, but it's not a "Democratic Election" when you restrict who can vote, is it? A Jim Crow person in the South thought his way of life was the result of "Democracy", as long as you keep the darkies from voting.

 

[Shusha]

Yeah, but it's not a "Democratic Election" when you restrict who can vote, is it? A Jim Crow person in the South thought his way of life was the result of "Democracy", as long as you keep the darkies from voting.

Um. You know that every citizen of Israel (and even some non-citizens) have the right to vote in Israel, yes?

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131 refuses to acknowledge truth. It wouldn't know it if it killed him. But when he is dead, he will find out. That's why I just put these obviously paid shills on my ignore list. They're a complete waste of bandwidth, precious food, living space, breathing air, and time.

I'm just curious who you and Lisa think are "paying" us to post. Is there some pot of money out there for people to say bad things about Israel?

Russia kidnapped 20,000 Ukrainian children and are probably using them as sex slaves. The Jews doesn’t do such immoral things.

Myanmar threw 36,000 Rohingya Muslims into fire pits and burned them alive. The Jews don’t do such reprehensible things.

Um, okay, beside the hysterics in some of those numbers. (The entire Rohingya genocide is less than 43,000 people, while the Gaza Genocide is closing in on 80,000)

We currently have very stiff sanctions on Russia for what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Trump hasn't been able to lift them, as much as he's sucking Putin's dick. We have extreme sanctions on Myanmar for what they are doing to the Rohingya (and their other overall shitiness since the coup.)

If you want to compare Israel to Myanmar and Russia, that's fine. But then you sould have comparable consequences.

The Palestinians joined HAMAS on the Oct 7th massacre, breaking into a kibbutz the morning of a major Jewish holiday and decapitated babies and set toddlers on fire while their parents watched in horror, before they themselves were burned to death. The Jews don’t do such immoral things.

Again, 72,000 Palestinians killed in the last 2 years... with thousands more on the brink of starvation.

Yet your venom is targeted to the Jews.

You won’t be happy until the entire world hates Jews, as a result of the leftist propaganda and venom, and the cattle cars start up again.

If the world is hating on the Jews, it's because of their actions.

 

[rosends]

Ah, I'm going to slap you with a reality here.

the reality of my actually having been in Gaza? Again, have you ever been?

You felt COMFORTABLE in the Jewish areas in ways that you wouldn't in the Islamic Areas?

I didn't say that. Go reread what I actually wrote and try responding to that. I said that in the Jewish area I felt "less free."

 

[rosends]

Yeah, but it's not a "Democratic Election" when you restrict who can vote, is it? A Jim Crow person in the South thought his way of life was the result of "Democracy", as long as you keep the darkies from voting.

who was doing the restricting? Can you show me some info about how the 2005 election in Gaza was restricted? Thanks.

 

[JoeB131]

There you go again, inventing history to try to justify your hatred of Jews. While on paper Jews were still second class citizens in the Empire, the laws were not robustly enforced and the Turks at that time held Arabs in contempt and protected the Jews from the Arabs, sometimes brutally, and that is why the Arabs helped the British Empire (Christian) overthrow the Ottoman Empire (Muslim).

The Jews in the Ottoman Empire were treated a lot better than they were in, let's say, the Russian Empire or the German Empire.

The Ottoman Empire would have objected to any group forming an independent state within the Empire, but it is likely they would have objected more to an Arab state than a Jewish state. In fact, until Erdogan took over, the Turks had sided more often with Israel than with the so called Palestinians in their disputes.

Yes, until Erdogan took over, Turkey was pretty much sucking up trying to get into the Western Club that always barred it at the door. Then Erdogan said, "Screw it" and decided to do their own thing.

You know full well that it has been proven at least some of the photos of allegedly starving children have been proven to be of children who were suffering from debilitating diseases unrelated to the food supply, as has been admitted by NYT and BBC, and this fact casts doubt on all of the other photos of allegedly starving children unless they have been proven to be legitimate, and it casts doubt on the allegations the food shortages are as serious as you want people to believe they are.

I know nothing of the sort.

I know what sensible international organizations are saying.

UNICEF -

https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/children-are-dying-famine-conditions-deepen-gaza

The Red Cross

What's happening in Gaza? A desperate humanitarian crisis

Get the latest updates on the Gaza humanitarian crisis and learn how the Red Cross and Red Crescent are providing critical aid to people affected.

www.redcross.org.uk

Amnesty International

Israel/OPT: New testimonies provide compelling evidence that Israel’s starvation of Palestinians in Gaza is a deliberate policy

Israel is carrying out a deliberate campaign of starvation in the occupied Gaza Strip, systematically destroying the health, well-being and social fabric of Palestinian life, Amnesty International said today.

www.amnesty.org

Doctors Without Borders

Israel threatens to ban major aid organizations as starvation deepens in Gaza

MSF joins over 100 organizations calling for an end to Israel’s weaponization of aid.

www.doctorswithoutborders.org

But let me guess, they are all Anti-Semitic and secretly being run by Nazis.

Oh I can't wait to hear this. Just how did Israel manage to "exploit" the people of Gaza without having a single Israeli step foot in Gaza for 20 years?

You mean other than controlling their economy and who could send in Aid?

The problem was, of course, is that in some ways, Hamas was enabled by Netanyahu to create a rival Palestinian Authority.

 

[JoeB131]

Absolutely not! You don't get to invade the sovereign territory of another State, commit atrocities on its citizens, force it into a war and then expect to end up in a better position than you were before the invasion. The best you can hope for is to survive in a nice somewhat smaller apartment in Qatar for the rest of your life and hope no one plants a bomb in your bedroom.

Except Israel isn't sovereign if it's a Colonial State on an indigenous land, is it?

The ironic thing is, Israel had a lot of sympathy when 10-7 happened, but they squandered it with their brutality in Gaza, and now most of the west that isn't run by AIPAC is talking about recognizing Palestine as a state.

You all didn't think this through at all, did you?

 

[JoeB131]

The venom we’ve seen spewed against Jews would never be tolerated were it against any other minority.

Can you imagine the reaction of libs and liberal universities if foreign students marched around chanting “Death to Blacks!” and set up “No Black Zones?! There would be outrage and expulsions. But since it’s against Jews, the universities are helping fund the barriers and refuse to say the calls to genocide Jews are unacceptable.

People don't hate you for who you are.

They hate you for what you are doing or support.

Want to be loved, change your behavior.

 

[Shusha]

Except Israel isn't sovereign if it's a Colonial State on an indigenous land, is it?

Aside from the usual response of, "Ya can't colonize your own indigenous territory"...

are you suggesting that the US, Canada, and Australia, as examples, are not sovereign States?

 

[toomuchtime_]

When you equate the actions of Netanyahu with Judaism and the Jewish People and attack people who object his actions you fan the flames of anti-Semitism around the world and play into the hands of Hamas. You are all legitimizing Hamas, a terrorist organization. Good work, I hope Hamas is paying you all well.

So how did you become an antisemite? The Jews make you do it of course!