Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[JoeB131]

As you well know, there is no record of Arabs being cheated out of their land, and there certainly no record of Arabs welccoming the Jews to Palestine, but the Ottoman Turks had been inviting European Jews to move to the Ottoman Empire - of which Palestine was a part - since the 16th century. If you had any idea why you hate Jews so much, you wouldn't have to tell these lies.

Um, yeah, I don't think the Ottomans would have been so keen to invite the very few that came over if they knew the plan was to "Carve out a chunk of your most reverred land as our own state". Point was, very few Jews lived in Palestine under the Ottomans. Very few even wanted to relocate there after the British took over. It was only after the Austrian Mustache Man did his thing that they wanted to move.

We don't know for sure that all the photos are fake, but it seems likely they are because if starvation were so widespread, there would be no need for anyone to present fake photos; so each fake photo strengthens the argument against any of them being true and of the claim starvation is widespread in Gaza.

Except you haven't proven any photographs are faked.

 

[Lisa558]

The Arabs are the colonists. Mohammed saw to that during his war of forced conversions.

Israel made a big mistake in 2005 when they pulled all the Jews out of GAZA. Ignoramuses are still calling it “occupied territory.”

And after 20 years, it’s obvious that the Gazans are too stupid and antisemitic to govern themselves and provide for their own needs. Their sole objection is to remove Israel and her Jews from the planet.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel made a big mistake in 2005 when they pulled all the Jews out of GAZA. Ignoramuses are still calling it “occupied territory.”

And after 20 years, it’s obvious that the Gazans are too stupid and antisemitic to govern themselves and provide for their own needs. Their sole objection is to remove Israel and her Jews from the planet.

Naw, I'm sure they'd be happy to just remove them from Palestine.

The reason why Ariel Sharon (war Criminal) pulled out of Gaza is that there were only 9000 Jewish settlers there compared to 2 million Palestinians. Occupation was just unsustainable to protect a population smaller than Itasca, IL.

 

[rosends]

Naw, I'm sure they'd be happy to just remove them from Palestine.

The reason why Ariel Sharon (war Criminal) pulled out of Gaza is that there were only 9000 Jewish settlers there compared to 2 million Palestinians. Occupation was just unsustainable to protect a population smaller than Itasca, IL.

I visited Gaza during this "occupation" (in 1994) and it was substantially less "free" to be in the Israeli community than to be out of it. Have you ever been?

 

[alang1216]

The framing that never seems to come into play with these discussions is the responsibility of the Palestinian people. What should the Palestinian people be doing to further their aspirations?

You're kidding I hope. All I hear from Israelis is how the violence is all the fault of the Palestinians and if they just laid down their weapons all would be fine. All I hear from the Palestinians is how poorly they are treated by the Israelis.

What should the Israelis be doing to further the aspirations of the Palestinian people?

 

[rosends]

You're kidding I hope. All I hear from Israelis is how the violence is all the fault of the Palestinians and if they just laid down their weapons all would be fine. All I hear from the Palestinians is how poorly they are treated by the Israelis.

What should the Israelis be doing to further the aspirations of the Palestinian people?

why should Israelis be interfering in the civil rule of another people? The Palestinians who are afraid of Hamas and who protest under threat of reprisals are the ones who need to advance their own cause.

 

[Lisa558]

You're kidding I hope. All I hear from Israelis is how the violence is all the fault of the Palestinians and if they just laid down their weapons all would be fine. All I hear from the Palestinians is how poorly they are treated by the Israelis.

What should the Israelis be doing to further the aspirations of the Palestinian people?

Why do you expect the Israelis to “further the aspirations” of the very people who want to see them wiped off the Earth?

The Israelis ALREADY vacated Gaza 20 years ago, and since then had been helping them with food and electricity and medical care. In return, the Palestinians supported the HAMAS massacre.

Why don’t you ask what the Palestinians should be doing to better their lives instead of focusing on teaching their kids to want to kill Jews?

 

[alang1216]

why should Israelis be interfering in the civil rule of another people?

Are you really saying Israelis are not interfering in the civil rule of the Palestinian people? They control their utilities, zoning, movement, etc.

 

[alang1216]

Why do you expect the Israelis to “further the aspirations” of the very people who want to see them wiped off the Earth?

The Israelis ALREADY vacated Gaza 20 years ago, and since then had been helping them with food and electricity and medical care. In return, the Palestinians supported the HAMAS massacre.

Why don’t you ask what the Palestinians should be doing to better their lives instead of focusing on teaching their kids to want to kill Jews?

It is people like you, who can only see one side of the issue, that makes me feel there will never be peace for anyone living there.

 

[Lisa558]

It is people like you, who can only see one side of the issue, that makes me feel there will never be peace for anyone living there.

It is people like you, who fail to see reality, that scare me for the future of Jews.

And I notice you didn’t respond to my points about everything Israel has done for the Palestinians, and how in return the Palestinians still support their massacre of Israelis.

 

[rosends]

Are you really saying Israelis are not interfering in the civil rule of the Palestinian people? They control their utilities, zoning, movement, etc.

The civil rule there is the result of a democratic election. Having borders, or needing to rely on external aid and resources isn't about governmental control. Hamas runs the place as an elected government.

 

[alang1216]

And I notice you didn’t respond to my points about everything Israel has done for the Palestinians, and how in return the Palestinians still support their massacre of Israelis.

What do you think the Palestinians would say in rebuttal?

 

[Lisa558]

What do you think the Palestinians would say in rebuttal?

Their hatred for Jews won’t allow them to rebut fairly.

What do YOU say in rebuttal to all the aid Israel has given, and the fact that the Palestinians massacred them anyway?

 

[teddyearp]

It is their literal JOB to be aware of the facts of the stories they report.

There is some talk going around about legal action for libel against these media outlets.

It is past time for that.

 

[alang1216]

The civil rule there is the result of a democratic election. Having borders, or needing to rely on external aid and resources isn't about governmental control. Hamas runs the place as an elected government.

Below is how the Gazans lived before Oct 7. Is it surprising they were not happy?

AI Overview

Even before the October 7, 2023 attacks and the current war, Israel's restrictions on the Gaza Strip had significantly impacted the lives of its residents

Here's a summary of the situation before the intensified blockade:

• Movement of people:
  • Travel in and out of Gaza was severely limited and controlled by Israel, with permits often denied even for medical emergencies or family reunification.
  • Exit and entry by sea or air were prohibited.
  • Only a limited number of Gazans could enter Israel for work or other specific reasons, a fraction of the number allowed before the Second Intifada.
• Movement of goods:
  • Imports were heavily restricted, particularly "dual-use" items, including construction materials and computer equipment.
  • Exports were also heavily restricted, hindering Gaza's economic development.
  • The volume of goods entering Gaza was significantly lower than pre-blockade levels.
• Impact on essential services:
  • Hospitals faced chronic shortages of vital medical supplies and equipment.
  • Reconstruction efforts were severely hampered by restrictions on building materials.
  • Educational institutions lacked essential supplies and access to technology.
  • The agriculture and fishing industries suffered from restrictions on equipment and access to resources, impacting food security and livelihoods.
  • Access to clean water and sanitation was inadequate, with much of the piped water deemed unfit for human consumption.
  • Electricity supply was unreliable and insufficient to meet demand.
• Overall situation:
  • These restrictions had a severe impact on Gaza's economy, leading to high unemployment and poverty rates, and making a large portion of the population dependent on international aid.
  • Many characterized Gaza as an "open-air prison" due to the restrictions on movement and the deterioration of living conditions.
  • The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) concluded that the easing of restrictions in 2010 had not resulted in a significant improvement in livelihoods.

It's important to remember that these conditions were in place before the events of October 7, 2023, and the subsequent intensification of the blockade. The current situation in Gaza has further exacerbated the pre-existing humanitarian crisis.

 

[alang1216]

Their hatred for Jews won’t allow them to rebut fairly.

What do YOU say in rebuttal to all the aid Israel has given, and the fact that the Palestinians massacred them anyway?

See my previous post

 

[Lisa558]

Below is how the Gazans lived before Oct 7. Is it surprising they were not happy?

AI Overview

Even before the October 7, 2023 attacks and the current war, Israel's restrictions on the Gaza Strip had significantly impacted the lives of its residents

Here's a summary of the situation before the intensified blockade:

• Movement of people:
  • Travel in and out of Gaza was severely limited and controlled by Israel, with permits often denied even for medical emergencies or family reunification.
  • Exit and entry by sea or air were prohibited.
  • Only a limited number of Gazans could enter Israel for work or other specific reasons, a fraction of the number allowed before the Second Intifada.
• Movement of goods:
  • Imports were heavily restricted, particularly "dual-use" items, including construction materials and computer equipment.
  • Exports were also heavily restricted, hindering Gaza's economic development.
  • The volume of goods entering Gaza was significantly lower than pre-blockade levels.
• Impact on essential services:
  • Hospitals faced chronic shortages of vital medical supplies and equipment.
  • Reconstruction efforts were severely hampered by restrictions on building materials.
  • Educational institutions lacked essential supplies and access to technology.
  • The agriculture and fishing industries suffered from restrictions on equipment and access to resources, impacting food security and livelihoods.
  • Access to clean water and sanitation was inadequate, with much of the piped water deemed unfit for human consumption.
  • Electricity supply was unreliable and insufficient to meet demand.
• Overall situation:
  • These restrictions had a severe impact on Gaza's economy, leading to high unemployment and poverty rates, and making a large portion of the population dependent on international aid.
  • Many characterized Gaza as an "open-air prison" due to the restrictions on movement and the deterioration of living conditions.
  • The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) concluded that the easing of restrictions in 2010 had not resulted in a significant improvement in livelihoods.

It's important to remember that these conditions were in place before the events of October 7, 2023, and the subsequent intensification of the blockade. The current situation in Gaza has further exacerbated the pre-existing humanitarian crisis.

The Palestinians have proven that they are a danger to Israelis. You think the Jews should just let people who want them dead to move freely? You saw what the savages did on Oct 7.

And why no complaints about what Egypt is doing? They have a massive wall keeping the Palestinians from moving to Egypt and living among their fellow Arabs.

Israel supplied electricity, jobs, medical care, and water to the very people who celebrate when Jewish babies are tortured to death. You sure expect an AWFUL lot from Jews that you don’t demand of others.

 

[teddyearp]

Are her medical records proof enough? No, you will probably declare them faked. Would a video of her mother discussing Maryam's illness (Arabic, English translation) be proof enough? What would be proof enough for you?

JoeB131 refuses to acknowledge truth. It wouldn't know it if it killed him. But when he is dead, he will find out. That's why I just put these obviously paid shills on my ignore list. They're a complete waste of bandwidth, precious food, living space, breathing air, and time.

 

[Lisa558]

See my previous post

Russia kidnapped 20,000 Ukrainian children and are probably using them as sex slaves. The Jews doesn’t do such immoral things.

Myanmar threw 36,000 Rohingya Muslims into fire pits and burned them alive. The Jews don’t do such reprehensible things.

The Palestinians joined HAMAS on the Oct 7th massacre, breaking into a kibbutz the morning of a major Jewish holiday and decapitated babies and set toddlers on fire while their parents watched in horror, before they themselves were burned to death. The Jews don’t do such immoral things.

Yet your venom is targeted to the Jews.

You won’t be happy until the entire world hates Jews, as a result of the leftist propaganda and venom, and the cattle cars start up again.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

JoeB131 refuses to acknowledge truth. It wouldn't know it if it killed him. But when he is dead, he will find out. That's why I just put these obviously paid shills on my ignore list. They're a complete waste of bandwidth, precious food, living space, breathing air, and time.

Yet they want to engage with us. Fervently.