Habits of the "rich", habits of the "poor"

[Mac1958]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.

They DO NOT want to hear that.

They WILL NOT believe that.

Remember, there are only three (3) ways to become successful in America:

1. You inherited it
2. You stole it
3. You lucked into it

That's IT.



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[JoeB131]

Joe, I have to admit, I've been a little disappointed by your lack of participation in this thread.

If anyone can provide a shining example of who the successful jump over by putting out some extra effort, it's you.



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Oh, guy, the argument isn't about me.

It's about how you want to make greed and selfishiness into virtues.

They aren't.

So you sit there scratching your head wondering why all the people who got screwed by the 1%ers aren't putting up with their shit, except for the shitheads who are horrified that there's a Negro in the White House.

The democrats are going to run a white person in 2016, and they you guys are going to be really screwed.

And right to skin color we go!

Well done, Joe, I can always count on you.



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The problem is, guy, if you guys were straight up about the "winners vs. Losers" Ayn Rand horseshit you play, you'd lose every election.

Because the 80% of us who have 17% would always have more votes than the "winners" who have 83% of the wealth and 20% of the votes.

You aren't afraid of "socialism', you're afraid of Democracy.

 

[Seawytch]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.

Of course there are...but they are far more rare than the people that bust their nut 40+ hours a week just to get by and never get beyond where they started. It's what poverty does...but ya'll think "no, they're just ******* lazy and if they worked hard, they'd be successful too". Pure, unadulterated bovine feces.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus

Gregg Steinhafel may no longer be Target's CEO, but he isn't checking out from the discount retailer without a potentially big bag of cash, stock, pension benefits and deferred pay.

The company said in a Monday filing that Steinhafel, 59, will receive unspecified severance after announcing his resignation five months after a massive security data breach exposed millions of customers' credit cards and personal information.

According to Target's 2013 proxy, Steinhafel could receive at least $11.7 million salary and incentive pay, pension benefits worth over $1.2 million and over $42 million in deferred compensation. Steinhafel also had $12.7 million in restricted shares that would vest.

Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'd like to see:

Percentage of people whose parents paid their way through college
Percentage of people who inherited a good amount of money from their family
Percentage of people who had well connected family/friends to get their foot in the door

Believe it or not....there are a lot of rich people, who are only rich because they were born into the circle of well off people who have been helping them their whole lives.

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.

Of course there are...but they are fare more rare than the people that bust their nut 40+ hours a week just to get by and never get beyond where they started. It's what poverty does...but ya'll think "no, they're just ******* lazy and if they worked hard, they'd be successful too". Pure, unadulterated bovine feces.

Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

If you never ever move up in the world it's no one's fault but your own.

I never once called anyone lazy in this thread have I?

It comes down to desire, discipline and effort.

Sure a lot of people have the desire but they do not cultivate the will or do what it takes to improve their situation.

It's learned helplessness.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus

Gregg Steinhafel may no longer be Target's CEO, but he isn't checking out from the discount retailer without a potentially big bag of cash, stock, pension benefits and deferred pay.

The company said in a Monday filing that Steinhafel, 59, will receive unspecified severance after announcing his resignation five months after a massive security data breach exposed millions of customers' credit cards and personal information.

According to Target's 2013 proxy, Steinhafel could receive at least $11.7 million salary and incentive pay, pension benefits worth over $1.2 million and over $42 million in deferred compensation. Steinhafel also had $12.7 million in restricted shares that would vest.

Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

I didn't cost you anything did it?

 

[zeke]

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.

Of course there are...but they are fare more rare than the people that bust their nut 40+ hours a week just to get by and never get beyond where they started. It's what poverty does...but ya'll think "no, they're just ******* lazy and if they worked hard, they'd be successful too". Pure, unadulterated bovine feces.

Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

If you never ever move up in the world it's no one's fault but your own.

I never once called anyone lazy in this thread have I?

It comes down to desire, discipline and effort.

Sure a lot of people have the desire but they do not cultivate the will or do what it takes to improve their situation.

It's learned helplessness.

Hey whether the horse shit you wrote above is true or not, why don't you explain what it costs you.

You know. like the CEO of Target with his 55 million. Somebody is paying for that. But not you eh.

So all those people that don't practice your ideals of desire, discipline and effort, what do those people cost YOU?

 

[Seawytch]

Believe it or not there are a lot of people who started out with nothing and still became wildly successful.

Of course there are...but they are fare more rare than the people that bust their nut 40+ hours a week just to get by and never get beyond where they started. It's what poverty does...but ya'll think "no, they're just ******* lazy and if they worked hard, they'd be successful too". Pure, unadulterated bovine feces.

Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

If you never ever move up in the world it's no one's fault but your own.

I never once called anyone lazy in this thread have I?

It comes down to desire, discipline and effort.

Sure a lot of people have the desire but they do not cultivate the will or do what it takes to improve their situation.

It's learned helplessness.

Of course it doesn't fly with you. Data means nothing in light of your personal "I got mine, **** you" world view.

It has more to do with opportunity than want.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus

Gregg Steinhafel may no longer be Target's CEO, but he isn't checking out from the discount retailer without a potentially big bag of cash, stock, pension benefits and deferred pay.

The company said in a Monday filing that Steinhafel, 59, will receive unspecified severance after announcing his resignation five months after a massive security data breach exposed millions of customers' credit cards and personal information.

According to Target's 2013 proxy, Steinhafel could receive at least $11.7 million salary and incentive pay, pension benefits worth over $1.2 million and over $42 million in deferred compensation. Steinhafel also had $12.7 million in restricted shares that would vest.

Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

I didn't cost you anything did it?

NOt the point, is it?

Yeah, it does cost me in more taxes when those Target Employees who aren't making more than minimum wage apply for food stamps and section 8 housing.

ANd one of them obviously decided to make a quick buck giving hackers access to their system.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Of course there are...but they are fare more rare than the people that bust their nut 40+ hours a week just to get by and never get beyond where they started. It's what poverty does...but ya'll think "no, they're just ******* lazy and if they worked hard, they'd be successful too". Pure, unadulterated bovine feces.

Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

If you never ever move up in the world it's no one's fault but your own.

I never once called anyone lazy in this thread have I?

It comes down to desire, discipline and effort.

Sure a lot of people have the desire but they do not cultivate the will or do what it takes to improve their situation.

It's learned helplessness.

Of course it doesn't fly with you. Data means nothing in light of your personal "I got mine, **** you" world view.

It has more to do with opportunity than want.

You want to know how I got mine?

I didn't inherit anything, my wife didn't inherit anything.

Yet we have a successful business.

Gee I wonder how that happened.

If I listened to you I guess I would have settled for a low paying 9-5 and just should have accepted my lot in life because the numbers show that's what most people do.

Like I said it's learned helplessness and you certainly learned it well

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

If you never ever move up in the world it's no one's fault but your own.

I never once called anyone lazy in this thread have I?

It comes down to desire, discipline and effort.

Sure a lot of people have the desire but they do not cultivate the will or do what it takes to improve their situation.

It's learned helplessness.

Of course it doesn't fly with you. Data means nothing in light of your personal "I got mine, **** you" world view.

It has more to do with opportunity than want.

You want to know how I got mine?

I didn't inherit anything, my wife didn't inherit anything.

Yet we have a successful business.

Gee I wonder how that happened.

If I listened to you I guess I would have settled for a low paying 9-5 and just should have accepted my lot in life because the numbers show that's what most people do.

Like I said it's learned helplessness and you certainly learned it well

So because you run a business, it's okay to screw over the 9-5 guys.

What? the 9-5 guys are voting for higher taxes on you? and more regulatiosn to keep you from pulling shit?

Oh, Damn. Democracy!!!!

 

[Brain357]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus

Gregg Steinhafel may no longer be Target's CEO, but he isn't checking out from the discount retailer without a potentially big bag of cash, stock, pension benefits and deferred pay.

The company said in a Monday filing that Steinhafel, 59, will receive unspecified severance after announcing his resignation five months after a massive security data breach exposed millions of customers' credit cards and personal information.

According to Target's 2013 proxy, Steinhafel could receive at least $11.7 million salary and incentive pay, pension benefits worth over $1.2 million and over $42 million in deferred compensation. Steinhafel also had $12.7 million in restricted shares that would vest.

Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

I didn't cost you anything did it?

Look at the rigged game at work, $55 million to retire and did he do a good job? Sounds like he didn't to me.

It costs every customer. Just like increasing the minimum wage.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus



Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

I didn't cost you anything did it?

NOt the point, is it?

Yeah, it does cost me in more taxes when those Target Employees who aren't making more than minimum wage apply for food stamps and section 8 housing.

ANd one of them obviously decided to make a quick buck giving hackers access to their system.

So you can prove that because of the contract this guy had that people are on welfare.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey, Mac, here's another example of one of hte "Successful People" you love soooo much.

Ousted Target CEO could collect $55M-plus



Yup, totally deserved. Preside over a catastrophe that might eventually kill your company, cash out with 55 Million!

I didn't cost you anything did it?

Look at the rigged game at work, $55 million to retire and did he do a good job? Sounds like he didn't to me.

It costs every customer. Just like increasing the minimum wage.

Then don't shop at Target.

I don't and you don't have to either.

 

[Brain357]

It's not wrong to assume that all rich people aren't exercising successful habits, and it's not wrong to assume that all poor people aren't lazy. It's logical.

I'm simply saying it's stupid for you to assume that the habits and lifestyles of the motivated don't factor into success. You're implying that it's all based on luck, and that assumption is -holy shit- stupid. I don't gotta see stats to know that, I've seen plenty of real life evidence that tells me otherwise, including the difference in results that I've had -personally- when I have or haven't exercised these same sorts of successful habits.

Try getting motivated sometime and see if it doesn't make your entire life better.

My life is fine, I have plenty of motivation.

I think it's stupid to act like all poor people have to do is act like rich people and they will be successful. It's quite a bit more difficult than that depending on how little they have inherited.

So how did those who inherited nothing and still became successful do it?

They have to work a lot harder than those rich kids.

 

[zeke]

But why isn't Mac on here telling us how this CEO of Target (who is being forced out by the board) how he gets up three hours before the store opened, consults his to do list and decides to ignore the responsibility he has to protect his customers credit.

For his piss poor job performance he is leaving with 55 million. Good gig if you can get it.

Come on Mac. Defend this dude.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Of course it doesn't fly with you. Data means nothing in light of your personal "I got mine, **** you" world view.

It has more to do with opportunity than want.

You want to know how I got mine?

I didn't inherit anything, my wife didn't inherit anything.

Yet we have a successful business.

Gee I wonder how that happened.

If I listened to you I guess I would have settled for a low paying 9-5 and just should have accepted my lot in life because the numbers show that's what most people do.

Like I said it's learned helplessness and you certainly learned it well

So because you run a business, it's okay to screw over the 9-5 guys.

What? the 9-5 guys are voting for higher taxes on you? and more regulatiosn to keep you from pulling shit?

Oh, Damn. Democracy!!!!

I don't screw any of my employees. The lowest paid person I have makes over $16 an hour. My highest paid employees get paid over 75K a year. My part time people get sick and vacation time and can participate in the company 401K with a 5% match.

My business is 100% OSHA compliant



So who am I screwing?

 

[Brain357]

I didn't cost you anything did it?

Look at the rigged game at work, $55 million to retire and did he do a good job? Sounds like he didn't to me.

It costs every customer. Just like increasing the minimum wage.

Then don't shop at Target.

I don't and you don't have to either.

Oh right. And I guess I won't shop anywhere then if I'm going to avoid every company with execs taking all the money. I already don't shop at walmart because they are increasing the size of government by paying so little employees collect welfare. Meanwhile the Waltons make billions.

Why don't you go on about how this failed Target ceo is so great he has to make millions? Or how nobody could possibly do such a bad job for less pay.

 

[Skull Pilot]

my life is fine, i have plenty of motivation.

I think it's stupid to act like all poor people have to do is act like rich people and they will be successful. It's quite a bit more difficult than that depending on how little they have inherited.

so how did those who inherited nothing and still became successful do it?

they have to work a lot harder than those rich kids.

so?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Look at the rigged game at work, $55 million to retire and did he do a good job? Sounds like he didn't to me.

It costs every customer. Just like increasing the minimum wage.

Then don't shop at Target.

I don't and you don't have to either.

Oh right. And I guess I won't shop anywhere then if I'm going to avoid every company with execs taking all the money. I already don't shop at walmart because they are increasing the size of government by paying so little employees collect welfare. Meanwhile the Waltons make billions.

Why don't you go on about how this failed Target ceo is so great he has to make millions? Or how nobody could possibly do such a bad job for less pay.

Feel free to shop at Mom and Pop stores.