Gun control…yeah it works, triple shooting in London….where they banned guns.

[Lastamender]

And those 1.1 million are self reported. We know nobody, especially gun nuts would never claim to have stopped a crime if they really hadn't.

The FBI won't report them. Someone has to.

 

[BULLDOG]

The FBI won't report them. Someone has to.

Even you don't believe all those self reported claims are true. I know you're batshit crazy, but I doubt you are that crazy.

 

[Lastamender]

Even you don't believe all those self reported claims are true. I know you're batshit crazy, but I doubt you are that crazy.

You people believe the fake hate crimes reported. I guess that makes you crazy too.

 

[BULLDOG]

You people believe the fake hate crimes reported.

Hate crimes are investigated. If they are fake accusations, they are shown to be fake accusations. Nobody checks the list of self reported gun nuts claiming to have stopped a crime.

 

[Lastamender]

Hate crimes are investigated. If they are fake accusations, they are shown to be fake accusations. Nobody checks the list of self reported gun nuts claiming to have stopped a crime.

Wrong again. The ADL keeps hoaxes on their list. They are famous for it. Come back when you are at least a little informed.

 

[BULLDOG]

Wrong again. The ADL keeps hoaxes on their list. They are famous for it. Come back when you are at least a little informed.

ADL includes both criminal and non-criminal anti-Jewish bias incidents in our Audit. For example, if a Jewish person was called a “dirty Jew” by someone passing them on the street, ADL would include that as an antisemitic incident in our Audit. Because this type of incident would usually not be categorized as criminal activity, it would likely not be included in the FBI’s Hate Crimes Statistics report.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's now Thursday. So far today, there have been no shootings reported in England. Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed. 210 survive gunshot injuries, and that's just an average day. We should be doing what they are doing.

 

[themirrorthief]

It's now Thursday. So far today, there have been no shootings reported in England. Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed. 210 survive gunshot injuries, and that's just an average day. We should be doing what they are doing.

criminals commiting gun crimes despite guns being banned...damn, its hard to find a decent law abiding criminal these days...who knew

 

[themirrorthief]

It's now Thursday. So far today, there have been no shootings reported in England. Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed. 210 survive gunshot injuries, and that's just an average day. We should be doing what they are doing.

yeah and except for us the swastiika would be flying over downing street these days

 

[M14 Shooter]

Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed....

This means 99.9999737795275% of the guns in the US were not used to kill anyone today.

 

[BULLDOG]

yeah and except for us the swastiika would be flying over downing street these days

Not sure what that has to do with gun crime in England.

 

[BULLDOG]

This means 99.9999737795275% of the guns in the US were not used to kill anyone today.

At least 312 of them were. England didn't have any. We should be doing what they are doing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Gun control works…..if you want to keep law abiding citizens from having guns…..criminals, not so much……they can’t even keep guns off of the Island of England….

Police have launched a major manhunt after a triple shooting in a house left two men dead and a third fighting for his life.

The Metropolitan police said the shots were fired in Ilford, east London, shortly after midnight on Tuesday. Police say they were called to reports of a fight in Henley Road, with the London ambulance service telling officers about the incident and finding that three people had been shot.

Police investigate triple shooting in east London that left two men dead

Third man still critically ill in hospital after reports of fatal fight in Ilford

www.theguardian.com

As violent immigrant gangs become less and less concerned about the criminal Justice system in England, the level of violence there is going to keep increasing…….criminal culture is not a constant…it changes with time, and when you import violent, 3rd world males from war torn regions of the world, they bring their violence with them.

This fails as a post hoc fallacy.

This incident in no manner proves that firearm regulatory measures don't work.

 

[M14 Shooter]

At least 312 of them were.

Get your propaganda straight. 111.

"Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed.... "

This means 99.9999737795275% of the guns in the US were not used to kill anyone today.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We should be doing what they are doing.

This fails as a post hoc fallacy.
The lower rate of gun-related violence in the UK in no manner proves that firearm regulatory measures work.
Ask C_Clayton_Jones -- he'll tell you.

 

[BULLDOG]

Get your propaganda straight. 111.

"Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed.... "

This means 99.9999737795275% of the guns in the US were not used to kill anyone today.

Not from lack of trying.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not from lack of trying.

Nothing here changes the fact 99.9999737795275% of the guns in the US were not used to kill anyone today.

 

[2aguy]

And those 1.1 million are self reported. We know nobody, especially gun nuts would never claim to have stopped a crime if they really hadn't.

Considering that at the time of Kleck's work and the CDC and the DOJ research most of the time they had to worry about incriminating themselves.....so the odds of them lying are smaller than your small brain can comprehend.

 

[2aguy]

It's now Thursday. So far today, there have been no shootings reported in England. Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those: 111 people are shot and killed. 210 survive gunshot injuries, and that's just an average day. We should be doing what they are doing.

They have criminals who don't actually shoot each other, and so far, when they do, they shoot to the legs or lower back, to avoid longer prison sentences....our criminals don't give a rats ass so they shoot to kill, knowing the odds of them getting arrested and sent to prison are tiny....

 

[2aguy]

This fails as a post hoc fallacy.

This incident in no manner proves that firearm regulatory measures don't work.

You mean except in this shooting.....right? Since 3 people were actually shot? On an island...that banned and confiscated guns.....

And the British police don't agree with you, they told the press they can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns onto their island......you mean except for that...right?

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK
Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.
Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019
The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.
The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.
Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.
Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.
“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”
The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.
Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”
Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”
He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.
Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:
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Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.

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Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.



The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.



In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years





Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

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County lines​

Peter Squires, professor of criminology at the University of Brighton, told The Guardian that so-called “county lines” – a form of criminal exploitation where urban gangs persuade young people to take drugs to rural areas of the country – are probably behind the rise in gun crime in places such as Sussex, Kent and Cheshire.

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Gun smuggling​

The prevalence of firearm offences is also partially to do with gun smuggling, experts say. Firearms can now be hired for as little as £100 around the UK and can be acquired in “less than a day”, reported the i news site’s investigations correspondent Dean Kirby.



According to Dr Robert Hesketh, a criminology expert at Liverpool John Moores University, it is “relatively easy” to get hold of a firearm in many cities.

“A MAC-10 will cost about £3,000, an MP5 £3,000,” Hesketh said. “These are automatic weapons. Another gun doing the rounds a few years ago and possibly now was a Desert Eagle, for about £500. It isn’t hard, put it that way.”

There is also an option to rent a weapon – with criminals borrowing firearms for short periods. “You can get one possibly for £100 to £150 if you know the right people,” Hesketh said.



While it is working to cut off supplies to the UK, the National Crime Agency has seen a “gradual increase” in the use of fully automatic weapons.

Some of the weapons used are deactivated or blank-firing devices, which are being bought in eastern Europe, where they are legal and unrestricted. They are then illegally reactivated by criminals before being transported to the UK, Kirby said.

Guns can also be bought on the dark web, and stolen, lawfully bought guns have also ended up being used in shootings. On the messaging app Telegram The Sunday Times found firearms advertised for sale from £400.

In 2019/20, the National Crime Agency seized 552 illegal firearms in the UK and abroad. The UK Border Force, meanwhile, picked up 2,600 lethal and non-lethal firearms in the year to September 2020.



Why is gun crime on the rise? | The Week UK



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Gun offences had been increasing since roughly 2015 across England and Wales, according to figures from the Office of National Statistics. But then came the pandemic.

Are gun crimes on the rise again?​

Dr Robert Hesketh, from the School of Justice Studies at Liverpool John Moores University, thinks the incidents will increase because of the cost of living crisis.

"People are getting desperate and desperate times call for desperate measures," he said.



Dr Hesketh disagreed with senior police officers, who say it is hard for a criminal to buy a gun in Britain.



The academic instead suggested in Liverpool a cheap firearm can be obtained for as little as £150 with a bit of asking around.



Gun crime is closely linked with drug dealing. At the top of the criminal tree drug gangs arrange imports to sell in the UK.

The retail arm of the market has become dominated by a relatively new business model.

County lines gangs, using dedicated mobile phones for customers to make orders, shift drugs around the country and have been blamed for increasing the risk of violence involving guns and knives.

Liverpool is an important part of the UK's drug gang infrastructure.

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