Gun control, the actual slippery slope, British style.

[Skull Pilot]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

 

[Skull Pilot]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

If you say they are meaningless then it's up to you to prove that

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

If you say they are meaningless then it's up to you to prove that

Its in the article that you posted. Firstly they are partisan figures.
Secondly even the article acknowledges that they are meaningless because every country has different ways of describing crime. Apples and oranges mate.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

If you say they are meaningless then it's up to you to prove that

Its in the article that you posted. Firstly they are partisan figures.
Secondly even the article acknowledges that they are meaningless because every country has different ways of describing crime. Apples and oranges mate.

And yet you compare our murder rate to yours when in the UK when you have different ways of counting and defining murder

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

If you say they are meaningless then it's up to you to prove that

Its in the article that you posted. Firstly they are partisan figures.
Secondly even the article acknowledges that they are meaningless because every country has different ways of describing crime. Apples and oranges mate.

And yet you compare our murder rate to yours when in the UK when you have different ways of counting and defining murder

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

You could add that percentage in and we still come out a lot lower.

 

[August West]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

Are you saying your toddlers are unarmed? In this country we have a 2nd amendment and it applies to all. It takes a good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
Toddlers have shot at least 50 people this year

 

[Skull Pilot]

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online


Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures are meaningless. They were compiled by the tories to try and score a point against the then Labour government.
Have you got any adult figures ?

If you say they are meaningless then it's up to you to prove that

Its in the article that you posted. Firstly they are partisan figures.
Secondly even the article acknowledges that they are meaningless because every country has different ways of describing crime. Apples and oranges mate.

And yet you compare our murder rate to yours when in the UK when you have different ways of counting and defining murder

Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

You could add that percentage in and we still come out a lot lower.

So what? You still ignore the differences in all the other areas I mentioned and naively think only guns contribute to murder rates

 

[2aguy]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

Are you saying your toddlers are unarmed? In this country we have a 2nd amendment and it applies to all. It takes a good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
Toddlers have shot at least 50 people this year

How many of those toddlers are in the homes of gang members.......? The problem isn't guns...it is the democrat party to take criminals off the streets........

 

[2aguy]

Unarmed people in Britain face criminals like this.....

Wealthy retired couple tortured by burglars who forced wife to walk on broken glass in £20,000 raid


wealthy couple were tortured by "Swat team" burglars who forced the wife to walk on broken glass before breaking one of her toes with a sledgehammer while stealing £20,000 of gold and jewels.

Professional burglars John McCarthy, 35, and Richard Leslie, 37, were branded "every householder's worst nightmare" after playing leading roles in the gang that terrorised the vulnerable pensioners for four hours during a night-time raid.

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During their ordeal, the couple, aged in their 70s, were bound with tape, beaten, threatened and locked in a utility room.

The burglars hit the 77-year-old man with a chair and forced his 75-year-old wife to walk barefoot on glass, having discarded her slippers.

One of the burglars threatened to cut off the wife's fingers and ear with a pair of shears if gold, cash and Rolex watches were not produced.

She also needed extensive dental treatment because of the beating to her face. Her husband was stuck with pins "many times" to extort more valuables, the court heard.

During the attack, one of the armed intruders boasted: "This is what we do for a living."

They made off with Chinese ornaments in 24 carat gold, jewellery, silver commemorative coins featuring Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, gold bars, a custom-made Seiko watch as well as thousands of pounds and Hong Kong dollars in cash.

As opposed to this outcome........

Woman Kills One of Three Home Invasion Suspects in Gun Battle

On Friday, a woman in Gwinnett County, Georgia, opened fire on three home invasion suspects who woke her from sleep by kicking in her door around 4 a.m.
One of the three home invasion suspects was killed during the exchange of fire. The other two fled the scene.

According to WSBTV, the woman and a man were in bed when they heard the sound of people kicking their way into the home. The woman grabbed her gun and confronted the invasion suspects, exchanging gunfire with at least one of them. Police said 28-year-old Antonia Leeks was shot and killed in the gun battle.

The woman owns a restaurant, and police believe this drew attention to her and ultimately led to the home invasion/attempted robbery. Gwinnett County police Cpl. Deon Washington said, “This is a very harrowing experience for anyone to endure. She’s shaken. It’s a very difficult experience for anyone to deal with.”

 

[2aguy]

Lovable England....

An Englishman's home is his dungeon



Various reassuring types, from police spokesmen to the Economist, described the stabbing of the Moncktons as a "burglary gone wrong". If only more burglaries could go right, they imply, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.

But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.

These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability.

Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up.

They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

 

[2aguy]

This is the problem with America....and it isn't about guns...it is about a poltiically correct justice system that fails to lock up the most violent criminals that we have.....who then go on to murder...

Second-chance law for young criminals puts violent offenders back on D.C. streets

Hundreds of criminals sentenced by D.C. judges under an obscure local law crafted to give second chances to young adult offenders have gone on to rob, rape or kill residents of the nation’s capital.

The original intent of the law was to rehabilitate inexperienced criminals under the age of 22. The District’s Youth Rehabilitation Act allows for shorter sentences for some crimes and an opportunity for offenders to emerge with no criminal record. But a Washington Post investigation has found a pattern of violent offenders returning rapidly to the streets and committing more crimes. Hundreds have been sentenced under the act multiple times.

In dozens of cases, D.C. judges were able to hand down Youth Act sentences shorter than those called for under mandatory minimum laws designed to deter armed robberies and other violent crimes. The criminals have often repaid that leniency by escalating their crimes of violence upon release.

 

[August West]

This is the problem with America....and it isn't about guns...it is about a poltiically correct justice system that fails to lock up the most violent criminals that we have.....who then go on to murder...

Second-chance law for young criminals puts violent offenders back on D.C. streets

Hundreds of criminals sentenced by D.C. judges under an obscure local law crafted to give second chances to young adult offenders have gone on to rob, rape or kill residents of the nation’s capital.

The original intent of the law was to rehabilitate inexperienced criminals under the age of 22. The District’s Youth Rehabilitation Act allows for shorter sentences for some crimes and an opportunity for offenders to emerge with no criminal record. But a Washington Post investigation has found a pattern of violent offenders returning rapidly to the streets and committing more crimes. Hundreds have been sentenced under the act multiple times.

In dozens of cases, D.C. judges were able to hand down Youth Act sentences shorter than those called for under mandatory minimum laws designed to deter armed robberies and other violent crimes. The criminals have often repaid that leniency by escalating their crimes of violence upon release.

So the guy who murdered a football player was released because of a politically correct justice system? That`s pretty idiotic even for you.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And the essential fact is that our gun murder rate is a fraction of that in the US.
How can that be when we dont have the "good guy with a gun" to do a "John Wayne" for us ?

Most people do not own a gun and our society is a lot safer for it.

Are you saying your toddlers are unarmed? In this country we have a 2nd amendment and it applies to all. It takes a good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
Toddlers have shot at least 50 people this year

No doubt they soon will be.

Just a small point though. I dont think you can call them "toddlers" anymore. Its an inappropriate term for pre-adults. Its not "PC".