Gun control….only 2% think it is a serious issue this election cycle…..go for it dems...

[Dhara]

I do not have a problem with the Second Amendment. I think some people should not have guns. Those who show a propensity for violence toward spouses and children, for example.

I don't feel a lot of fear coming from the left about guns. It's the right that appears threatened constantly even when 75% of all gun owners are conservative. The right to own a firearm is in no way threatened.

The problem isn't even party politics, IMO. It's the misuse of media. Us versus them mentality.

We're all in the same boat as American citizens. Government isn't the problem. People are the problem. People who only care about "their side" of an argument.

Just my opinion, not worth much but it's all I have.

Dear Dhara and BULLDOG I think you both are trying and able to see both sides.
What you seem to dismiss is underestimating the real effect of these fears on govt and public relations.

A. Dhara you say you don't see a lot of fear coming from the left about guns.
But every time there is an incident, the rhetoric moves toward gun control.
Obama made statements, the politicians on the left use this for soliciting votes and campaign dollars.
Just like the rightwing uses abortion and the prolife issue to get votes and dollars without doing anything real.

The left pimps this fear of gun violence just as much.
How can you dismiss the fears that are exploited and hyped on both sides?

I think you DO see how this issue is blown up in the media for political gain.
What I don't think you see is how both the left and right do this,
same with the abortion issue. They don't solve it, they just pimp it for political hype to sway the masses.

B. BULLDOG I am also guessing that you are trying to make the distinction
between the real principle in practice and the way the issue is blown out of proportion in the media,
"playing on fears".

I think your approach of addressing both levels is needed and can be very effective
since you actually exercise your gun rights responsibly, and don't see it as any big deal to you.

However, trying to tell people their fears aren't real or have substance only pours fuel on that fire.
That is their worst fear, that people will play down and trust govt, so much, that they give up rights
until it's too late. So you play RIGHT INTO those fears the more you try to play them down as overboard.

I don't think that part of your approach is effective, but has the very opposite effect you intend.
I think you can be a valuable ally to both sides, but emphasizing the reality of both sides,
and pushing solutions that satisfy BOTH -- ie NOT downplaying either side but backing them both up fully.

You have the ability to do this, since you see both sides.
Instead of appearing to take sides and downplaying one,
I am confident you would succeed in your message by supporting both sides equally in working this out,
treating both views as equally valid and important to address. Otherwise it just multiplies fear on both sides.

I can see what you are both trying to say
so thanks for that: Dhara and BULLDOG

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

You are right that no one needs a gun to buy detergent at Walmart until they are mugged on their way back to their car. No one need to be armed while watching their kids play T-ball until someone tries to grab the child off the playground.

Being armed is being prepared. We don't live in Mayberry or the 1950's when you could leave your doors unlocked and keys in your car and not worry about the safety of you and your family.

Actually, I live in a place where I do not worry about security or safety. I wouldn't want a gun in my house. Being armed is unnecessary.

Until it is necessary.....and you won't have one...but good for you........live as you want.....

It won't be necessary for me.

 

[ninja007]

Yeah, we get it emily. The RW are the "goodies" and the left are the "baddies".

What I think is downright goofy is the RW being anti-government. What the heck did we have a Revolution, Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights for?

A government "by the people and for the people." It didn't say just the RW people. It means ALL citizens.

The RW doesn't mind the government at all as long as their interests are served by it.

you clearly don't understand any of those.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Dear Dhara
yes and no.
1. guns don't solve the mental illness issue or cure criminal illness.

2. but guns do deter or stop crimes in process, such as in the LA riots
where shops that let rioters know they were armed weren't attacked,
and the trained guard who killed a shooter in church before he could shoot any more people.
Jeanne Assam: The Forgotten Woman Who Stopped a Church Shooting-Truth!

And
3. we need to stop arguing about the political beliefs, recognize those differences,
and shape public policy to address BOTH concerns instead of "either / or"

it's ALL the above: addressing mental illness and medically proven diagnosis and cure.
a system of referring people to get help before crimes or dangers go too far.
safe standardized training and enforcement of laws for people who are going to use arms for that,
similar to police and military, so there is proper screening - one benefit being that all people
in govt could better be held to agreed standards if the public can agree on these standards.

It is important we agree on Constitutional standards
so we can hold govt consistently to the same.
see ethics-commission.net for the minimum principles I would teach all citizens
to enforce in order to hold govt accountable to the same and correct any grievances.

Otherwise politicians take this KNOWN conflict, and abuse it for political points.
Instead of solving the problem, by seeking solutions that satisfy both the rightwing
and leftwing way of looking at the gun issues, the parties keep PLAYING ON THE FEAR.

You may blame rightwing party members for using this issue as false security to appease their fear.
The SAME can be said of leftwing party members using their party to run policies through govt
to appease their fears.

Fear is on both sides. So if we solved the problems, then no more political games or points
can be made from the fear on either side, especially not the fear that the other party is dominating the show.

I do not have a problem with the Second Amendment. I think some people should not have guns. Those who show a propensity for violence toward spouses and children, for example.

I don't feel a lot of fear coming from the left about guns. It's the right that appears threatened constantly even when 75% of all gun owners are conservative. The right to own a firearm is in no way threatened.

The problem isn't even party politics, IMO. It's the misuse of media. Us versus them mentality.

We're all in the same boat as American citizens. Government isn't the problem. People are the problem. People who only care about "their side" of an argument.

Just my opinion, not worth much but it's all I have.

Dear Dhara and BULLDOG I think you both are trying and able to see both sides.
What you seem to dismiss is underestimating the real effect of these fears on govt and public relations.

A. Dhara you say you don't see a lot of fear coming from the left about guns.
But every time there is an incident, the rhetoric moves toward gun control.
Obama made statements, the politicians on the left use this for soliciting votes and campaign dollars.
Just like the rightwing uses abortion and the prolife issue to get votes and dollars without doing anything real.

The left pimps this fear of gun violence just as much.
How can you dismiss the fears that are exploited and hyped on both sides?

I think you DO see how this issue is blown up in the media for political gain.
What I don't think you see is how both the left and right do this,
same with the abortion issue. They don't solve it, they just pimp it for political hype to sway the masses.

B. BULLDOG I am also guessing that you are trying to make the distinction
between the real principle in practice and the way the issue is blown out of proportion in the media,
"playing on fears".

I think your approach of addressing both levels is needed and can be very effective
since you actually exercise your gun rights responsibly, and don't see it as any big deal to you.

However, trying to tell people their fears aren't real or have substance only pours fuel on that fire.
That is their worst fear, that people will play down and trust govt, so much, that they give up rights
until it's too late. So you play RIGHT INTO those fears the more you try to play them down as overboard.

I don't think that part of your approach is effective, but has the very opposite effect you intend.
I think you can be a valuable ally to both sides, but emphasizing the reality of both sides,
and pushing solutions that satisfy BOTH -- ie NOT downplaying either side but backing them both up fully.

You have the ability to do this, since you see both sides.
Instead of appearing to take sides and downplaying one,
I am confident you would succeed in your message by supporting both sides equally in working this out,
treating both views as equally valid and important to address. Otherwise it just multiplies fear on both sides.

I can see what you are both trying to say
so thanks for that: Dhara and BULLDOG

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

Or attend a concert....

Or attend a christmas party...

Or attend an editors meeting about the next issue of Charlie Hebdo...

Or attend a draw mohammed cartoon contest...

Or attend a showing of Batman...

Or go to a mall....

or go to any of a number of places where criminals and mass shooters have chosen to attack....mainly because fools such as you have made them all gun free zones.......

You've mentioned 6 incidents out of the billions of billions that happen every day. Sad that you are so afraid. I guess it's because of something that happened in your childhood.

Billions and billions huh?

Your hyperbole doesn't work in favor of your argument

A weapon is nothing but a tool for protection many people think it prudent to have the option to protect themselves should the need arise

I'm sure the people killed in San Bernadino never thought they would "need" to protect themselves that the odds were in their favor

Well the odds in being attacked by a criminal are in your favor until they're not so you have a choice be prepared or be defenseless

 

[Skull Pilot]

Dear Dhara and BULLDOG I think you both are trying and able to see both sides.
What you seem to dismiss is underestimating the real effect of these fears on govt and public relations.

A. Dhara you say you don't see a lot of fear coming from the left about guns.
But every time there is an incident, the rhetoric moves toward gun control.
Obama made statements, the politicians on the left use this for soliciting votes and campaign dollars.
Just like the rightwing uses abortion and the prolife issue to get votes and dollars without doing anything real.

The left pimps this fear of gun violence just as much.
How can you dismiss the fears that are exploited and hyped on both sides?

I think you DO see how this issue is blown up in the media for political gain.
What I don't think you see is how both the left and right do this,
same with the abortion issue. They don't solve it, they just pimp it for political hype to sway the masses.

B. BULLDOG I am also guessing that you are trying to make the distinction
between the real principle in practice and the way the issue is blown out of proportion in the media,
"playing on fears".

I think your approach of addressing both levels is needed and can be very effective
since you actually exercise your gun rights responsibly, and don't see it as any big deal to you.

However, trying to tell people their fears aren't real or have substance only pours fuel on that fire.
That is their worst fear, that people will play down and trust govt, so much, that they give up rights
until it's too late. So you play RIGHT INTO those fears the more you try to play them down as overboard.

I don't think that part of your approach is effective, but has the very opposite effect you intend.
I think you can be a valuable ally to both sides, but emphasizing the reality of both sides,
and pushing solutions that satisfy BOTH -- ie NOT downplaying either side but backing them both up fully.

You have the ability to do this, since you see both sides.
Instead of appearing to take sides and downplaying one,
I am confident you would succeed in your message by supporting both sides equally in working this out,
treating both views as equally valid and important to address. Otherwise it just multiplies fear on both sides.

I can see what you are both trying to say
so thanks for that: Dhara and BULLDOG

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

You are right that no one needs a gun to buy detergent at Walmart until they are mugged on their way back to their car. No one need to be armed while watching their kids play T-ball until someone tries to grab the child off the playground.

Being armed is being prepared. We don't live in Mayberry or the 1950's when you could leave your doors unlocked and keys in your car and not worry about the safety of you and your family.

Actually, I live in a place where I do not worry about security or safety. I wouldn't want a gun in my house. Being armed is unnecessary.

Until it is necessary.....and you won't have one...but good for you........live as you want.....

It won't be necessary for me.

So sure about that are you?

I'm sure Dr. Petit from CT didn't think it would ever be necessary for him either that is until 2 armed criminals invaded his home and beat and raped his 2 daughters and wife before burning them alive

 

[skookerasbil]

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[2aguy]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

 

[BULLDOG]

I do not have a problem with the Second Amendment. I think some people should not have guns. Those who show a propensity for violence toward spouses and children, for example.

I don't feel a lot of fear coming from the left about guns. It's the right that appears threatened constantly even when 75% of all gun owners are conservative. The right to own a firearm is in no way threatened.

The problem isn't even party politics, IMO. It's the misuse of media. Us versus them mentality.

We're all in the same boat as American citizens. Government isn't the problem. People are the problem. People who only care about "their side" of an argument.

Just my opinion, not worth much but it's all I have.

Dear Dhara and BULLDOG I think you both are trying and able to see both sides.
What you seem to dismiss is underestimating the real effect of these fears on govt and public relations.

A. Dhara you say you don't see a lot of fear coming from the left about guns.
But every time there is an incident, the rhetoric moves toward gun control.
Obama made statements, the politicians on the left use this for soliciting votes and campaign dollars.
Just like the rightwing uses abortion and the prolife issue to get votes and dollars without doing anything real.

The left pimps this fear of gun violence just as much.
How can you dismiss the fears that are exploited and hyped on both sides?

I think you DO see how this issue is blown up in the media for political gain.
What I don't think you see is how both the left and right do this,
same with the abortion issue. They don't solve it, they just pimp it for political hype to sway the masses.

B. BULLDOG I am also guessing that you are trying to make the distinction
between the real principle in practice and the way the issue is blown out of proportion in the media,
"playing on fears".

I think your approach of addressing both levels is needed and can be very effective
since you actually exercise your gun rights responsibly, and don't see it as any big deal to you.

However, trying to tell people their fears aren't real or have substance only pours fuel on that fire.
That is their worst fear, that people will play down and trust govt, so much, that they give up rights
until it's too late. So you play RIGHT INTO those fears the more you try to play them down as overboard.

I don't think that part of your approach is effective, but has the very opposite effect you intend.
I think you can be a valuable ally to both sides, but emphasizing the reality of both sides,
and pushing solutions that satisfy BOTH -- ie NOT downplaying either side but backing them both up fully.

You have the ability to do this, since you see both sides.
Instead of appearing to take sides and downplaying one,
I am confident you would succeed in your message by supporting both sides equally in working this out,
treating both views as equally valid and important to address. Otherwise it just multiplies fear on both sides.

I can see what you are both trying to say
so thanks for that: Dhara and BULLDOG

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

Or attend a concert....

Or attend a christmas party...

Or attend an editors meeting about the next issue of Charlie Hebdo...

Or attend a draw mohammed cartoon contest...

Or attend a showing of Batman...

Or go to a mall....

or go to any of a number of places where criminals and mass shooters have chosen to attack....mainly because fools such as you have made them all gun free zones.......

You've mentioned 6 incidents out of the billions of billions that happen every day. Sad that you are so afraid. I guess it's because of something that happened in your childhood.

Billions and billions huh?

Your hyperbole doesn't work in favor of your argument

A weapon is nothing but a tool for protection many people think it prudent to have the option to protect themselves should the need arise

I'm sure the people killed in San Bernadino never thought they would "need" to protect themselves that the odds were in their favor

Well the odds in being attacked by a criminal are in your favor until they're not so you have a choice be prepared or be defenseless

When you consider every event in every person's life every day billions of billions is a conservative guess. Thanks for admitting that it is your constant fear that makes you feel the need to be armed 24/7. That constant nagging fear that something evil is always lurking right over your shoulder. A coward dies a thousand deaths.

 

[BULLDOG]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

Do they quake in their boots with fear all day every day?

 

[BULLDOG]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

Of course evil exists, but it's not as all consuming as you cowards think.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

Do they quake in their boots with fear all day every day?

Why ask a question you don't have the answer to?

 

[BULLDOG]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

Do they quake in their boots with fear all day every day?

Why ask a question you don't have the answer to?

I know the answer. I just wonder if you do.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

Of course evil exists, but it's not as all consuming as you cowards think.

Bet your not so brave in person.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

Do they quake in their boots with fear all day every day?

Why ask a question you don't have the answer to?

I know the answer. I just wonder if you do.

So you have asked all the farmers in Britain if they quake in their boots with fear all day?

Let's see the proof.

 

[BULLDOG]

Would love to stay and laugh you guys some more, but I have horses to feed.

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

Of course evil exists, but it's not as all consuming as you cowards think.

Bet your not so brave in person.

I'm brave enough to face the world without hiding behind a gun 24/7.

 

[BULLDOG]

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

Do they quake in their boots with fear all day every day?

Why ask a question you don't have the answer to?

I know the answer. I just wonder if you do.

So you have asked all the farmers in Britain if they quake in their boots with fear all day?

Let's see the proof.

Of course I didn't. I know there aren't as many cowards there as there are here on the right.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Be sure to take your gun. You never know when you might be attacked by a pile of hay.

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

Of course evil exists, but it's not as all consuming as you cowards think.

Bet your not so brave in person.

I'm brave enough to face the world without hiding behind a gun 24/7.

hiding behind a gun? That's something I would expect a 12 year old to say. Stay safe in your basement.

 

[BULLDOG]

Ask farmers in Britain…….they are disarmed and are one of the popular targets of criminals because the police can't get out to their farms before the criminals have their way with the farmer and his family……..

This guy thinks that no evil exist in the world.

Of course evil exists, but it's not as all consuming as you cowards think.

Bet your not so brave in person.

I'm brave enough to face the world without hiding behind a gun 24/7.

hiding behind a gun? That's something I would expect a 12 year old to say. Stay safe in your basement.

Who knows what a coward would expect to hear? I'm not hiding in my basement, and I'm not hiding behind a gun. You are.

 

[Dhara]

I'm not saying the gun nut's fears aren't real. I'm just saying they are unfounded and nuts. The right, under control of the NRA are constantly stoking those unfounded fears, and causing the nuts to behave like.......well.......nuts. Nobody needs to be armed to watch their kids play T-ball, or to buy laundry detergent at Walmart.

It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

You are right that no one needs a gun to buy detergent at Walmart until they are mugged on their way back to their car. No one need to be armed while watching their kids play T-ball until someone tries to grab the child off the playground.

Being armed is being prepared. We don't live in Mayberry or the 1950's when you could leave your doors unlocked and keys in your car and not worry about the safety of you and your family.

Actually, I live in a place where I do not worry about security or safety. I wouldn't want a gun in my house. Being armed is unnecessary.

Until it is necessary.....and you won't have one...but good for you........live as you want.....

It won't be necessary for me.

So sure about that are you?

I'm sure Dr. Petit from CT didn't think it would ever be necessary for him either that is until 2 armed criminals invaded his home and beat and raped his 2 daughters and wife before burning them alive

I'm sure I don't want or need a gun. It sounds like you want me to be raped or beaten to "pay for" my not wanting or needing a gun. Plenty of people live safely without guns.

I don't live in fear of harm by others or dying by violence.

 

[Dhara]

Yeah, we get it emily. The RW are the "goodies" and the left are the "baddies".

What I think is downright goofy is the RW being anti-government. What the heck did we have a Revolution, Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights for?

A government "by the people and for the people." It didn't say just the RW people. It means ALL citizens.

The RW doesn't mind the government at all as long as their interests are served by it.

you clearly don't understand any of those.

You clearly don't want to discuss the actual topic.