Gun Background Checks Pass in Washington

[Old Rocks]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

That is correct. People like you sell the guns to them.

 

[Geaux4it]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

So you believe that criminals obtain their weapons legally?

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

They have the same laws in California and they don't seem to have had the slightest effect on preventing criminal behavior. Probably because criminals are...well criminals.

So you think background checks on criminals is worthless because criminals will get them illegally anyway? Do you also think we shouldn't have speed limites because speeders will speed anyway. Do you also think we shouldn't have laws on murder because people might kill anyway?

You are a Nihilist

Criminals don't get their guns through normal channels is the point. As I said California has had those laws in place for well over a decade and the violent crime rate continues to increase. The one thing that DID drop crime rates was incarcerating a ton of gangbangers. That worked. These laws don't do anything but inconvenience the law abiding.

That is correct. People like you sell the guns to them.

You're overcome with stupidity

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Indeed, and I think that's hitting the nail on the head.

The NRA should themselves be backing proposals like this, but instead oppose any and every measure of common sense because they rely so heavily on funding from arms manufacturers. It's like pharmaceutical companies campaigning for Ebola to be let loose in the US so they could sell vaccine shots.

These measure will only be truly effective when they operate nationwide, but even so....lives will be saved, and that is what we should all focus on.

There are no metrics which prove your premise that this particular law saves lives. You just think it does because it feels good to add needless regulations.

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Blues -

Actually, the objective is to make streets, schools and workplaces safer - not that you care about that, of course.

You second amendment rights are safe and secure, and I don't see anyone challenging that. If the NRA was in anyway sane they would also be looking at ways to balance the rights of gun holders against the obvious need to keep guns out of the hands of gangs, nutcases and fanatics. Instead, they prefer to protect the "rights" of scizophrenics and loose canons to threaten their neighbours.

I am the NRA and I disagree. The NRA supports the Constitution. Your emotional example is tiresome and flawed.

-Geaux

 

[westwall]

There is ZERO statistical evidence that shows these laws to have prevented one bad person from ever obtaining a weapon

Jesus wept.....I give up. You're beyond reach.

No one was ever denied a gun license in any country. Got it.

That wasn't the question was it silly person. The question was HOW MANY HAVE BEEN PREVENTED FROM COMMITING THEIR CRIMES! The statistics show that those laws have only helped bad guys. Period.

 

[Saigon]

Blues -

Actually, the objective is to make streets, schools and workplaces safer - not that you care about that, of course.

You second amendment rights are safe and secure, and I don't see anyone challenging that. If the NRA was in anyway sane they would also be looking at ways to balance the rights of gun holders against the obvious need to keep guns out of the hands of gangs, nutcases and fanatics. Instead, they prefer to protect the "rights" of scizophrenics and loose canons to threaten their neighbours.

I am the NRA and I disagree. The NRA supports the Constitution. Your emotional example is tiresome and flawed.

-Geaux

Really?

And does it explain in the constitution why electoral funding laws do not always apply to the NRA?

 

[westwall]

Too bad you listened to the liars about what that bill does. It's gonna lose when challenged in the courts.

Yep, because its a constitutional right to shoot up a school!

Gee Noomi. Guns have been outlawed in the UK for decades now. They have more homicides by guns now than they ever did when guns were allowed. Your emotions don't trump facts.

 

[martybegan]

Westwall -

Try and understand. Really.

In any western country with safety-based gun laws, people are denied gun permits on a daily basis. There are thousands of people who are denied gun licenses.

Do you think their names published on websites or in newspapers?

Try and post with a little common sense, eh?

Kind of like killing a few thousand people a month and saying because we probably off'ed a killer or two, "we saved lives"

 

[westwall]

Blues -

Actually, the objective is to make streets, schools and workplaces safer - not that you care about that, of course.

You second amendment rights are safe and secure, and I don't see anyone challenging that. If the NRA was in anyway sane they would also be looking at ways to balance the rights of gun holders against the obvious need to keep guns out of the hands of gangs, nutcases and fanatics. Instead, they prefer to protect the "rights" of scizophrenics and loose canons to threaten their neighbours.

I am the NRA and I disagree. The NRA supports the Constitution. Your emotional example is tiresome and flawed.

-Geaux

Really?

And does it explain in the constitution why electoral funding laws do not always apply to the NRA?

Dude, just give it up. You know nothing about US laws and even less about crime control.

 

[martybegan]

They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

And that is why you are a moron. OUT-LAWS never did withIN the LAW to begin with, and the crazies don't' care how they do it.


OUT-LAWS operate OUTside the LAW.

Gj beleaguering the law abiding.

What everyone who puts forth this argument ignores is that in countries with strict gun laws, there are far, far less guns in circulation, among criminals as well as 'law abiding' people, and gun violence goes way down. So the idea that if we have strict gun laws only criminals will have guns, is not borne out in reality in countries with strict gun laws. It's in fact a pointless, insupportable argument that you folks repeat over and over again. It's silly to do so. Come up with something real for a change.

Them work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Until then **** OFF.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah they only stab each other instead.

and less people die.

As you must know, 2nd, the US has a total homicide rate between 4x and 10x that of most other major, western economies.

Reduce the number of guns = reduce the number of murders. It really is as simple as that.

Again, then work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Until then **** OFF.

 

[martybegan]

Too bad you listened to the liars about what that bill does. It's gonna lose when challenged in the courts.

Yep, because its a constitutional right to shoot up a school!

Show one person who has claimed they have a constitutional right to shoot up a school.

 

[Dana7360]

They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

And that is why you are a moron. OUT-LAWS never did withIN the LAW to begin with, and the crazies don't' care how they do it.


OUT-LAWS operate OUTside the LAW.

Gj beleaguering the law abiding.

When the loophole that allows for criminals to buy guns is closed, less criminals will be able to get guns.

There is no way anyone can legally sell a gun in Washington without doing the background check thanks to this law. If a criminal goes to a friend or private sale without a background check, both the buyer and seller have broken the law. Which will decrease the number of guns sold to criminals.

Do I expect it to stop all gun sales to criminals? No. I'm not stupid. However it will decrease the number of sales and those who sell to a criminal will also go to jail.

Time will tell but statistics shows that gun crime will decrease by about 30%. Which means some won't die. Which is the point of the law.

 

[Saigon]

Again, then work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Until then **** OFF.

Yes.....perish the thought that gun owners might discuss this like adults.

 

[skookerasbil]

more gun laws are supported only by mental case utopians who dont get it.

 

[Dana7360]

Too bad you listened to the liars about what that bill does. It's gonna lose when challenged in the courts.

On what grounds will it be challenged and why would it lose in the courts?

Six other states also have this law and it's not been overturned. I don't know if it's being challenged at all in those six other states either.

The commerce clause clearly allows for regulating sales. The second amendment certainly allows for regulation.

I guess you want criminals to be able to just walk into a gun show or go on line to buy their gun for their next crime.

I'm so glad people like you are the minority in this issue.

No, six other States do not have that law. you really ought to know what you are talking about.. Or are you just parroting what you were told?

Really? Just what do you base that on? Wishful thinking?

You might want to read the article I posted. It's right there in the article.


Here I'll post the paragraph that lists the 6 other states and DC that have the law.


Six states — California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, New York, Rhode Island — plus Washington, D.C., require universal background checks for all sales and transfers of firearms, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Other states have varying laws on expansion beyond what federal law requires, including Oregon, which requires a background check for purchases at gun shows.

 

[Dana7360]

Yeah they only stab each other instead.

and less people die.

As you must know, 2nd, the US has a total homicide rate between 4x and 10x that of most other major, western economies.

Reduce the number of guns = reduce the number of murders. It really is as simple as that.

Again, then work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Until then **** OFF.

There is nothing in the constitution that says guns can't be regulated. In fact there's the commerce clause and the second amendment that says that guns can be regulated.

The second amendment doesn't need to be repealed.

 

[Roadrunner]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

We already have Brady background checks for all FFL dealers.

We already have law with severe penalties for those who engage in multiple firearms sales without an FFL.

We have laws making it a felony to lie on the form for purchasing a gun from a dealer.

Time to enforce what we have.

 

[BluesLegend]

And by the way a majority of law enforcement in Washington state came out against this stupid gun control measure.