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Dan Simpson is a liberal political blogger who has written for various websites and is the co-founder of Firebrand ProgressivesI shudder to think about the words that the Pudbite threw into his Google search to find this story.
Which is exactly why we need to stop this bullshit discussion over gun "rights" and just ban all of them. No more guns, no more accidents like the one in the OP. Simple as that.
Dan Simpson is a liberal political blogger who has written for various websites and is the co-founder of Firebrand ProgressivesI shudder to think about the words that the Pudbite threw into his Google search to find this story.
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Although you make a good point, I really don't think arming teachers is a good idea. I would never trust a non-police/military trained person to be carrying guns around a school my kids attend. Simply have police officers present in the schools, it's what our taxes pay for.While it's true that few teachers would be comfortable carrying concealed firearms and by no means should they be required to. But there are some teachers who are experienced shooters and would have no problem wearing a gun. And an armed, well-trained teacher or two would make a big difference if an armed psycho invaded their school.Teachers are not solders. They are trained to teach, not kill. Putting a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't know what there're doing is a disaster waiting to happen.
:You're quite right about the odds. But I believe one of the reasons schools appeal to mass shooters is the current awareness that there are no armed personnel to be concerned with. This aversion to guns is a virtual invitation to them.The chance of a teacher being in a life and death situation with an armed gunman in the classroom is about 1 in 10 million. What do you think the chances are that this teacher who has worked for years in the classroom and never faced this situation will make the right split second decision?
Because a teacher that does not blame a student for their parents is so much less trustworthy than a cop that has to have cameras to make them behave.I'd trust a cop with a gun more than I'd trust some teacher who believes that teaching my kid that having two daddies is normal is an important part of education with a gun.I'm glad to hear the teachers are arming themselves. If all teachers did this there would never be another Newtown or Columbine. If all soldiers did this there would never be another repeat as we saw at Ft. Hood.
smarterthantheaveragebear said:why not just put police at school?
Yes, because we can always trust the frick'n police.
PERIOD
I think it would be FUN to arm teachers. It would make parent teacher conferences much more civil.Although you make a good point, I really don't think arming teachers is a good idea. I would never trust a non-police/military trained person to be carrying guns around a school my kids attend. Simply have police officers present in the schools, it's what our taxes pay for.While it's true that few teachers would be comfortable carrying concealed firearms and by no means should they be required to. But there are some teachers who are experienced shooters and would have no problem wearing a gun. And an armed, well-trained teacher or two would make a big difference if an armed psycho invaded their school.Teachers are not solders. They are trained to teach, not kill. Putting a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't know what there're doing is a disaster waiting to happen.
:You're quite right about the odds. But I believe one of the reasons schools appeal to mass shooters is the current awareness that there are no armed personnel to be concerned with. This aversion to guns is a virtual invitation to them.The chance of a teacher being in a life and death situation with an armed gunman in the classroom is about 1 in 10 million. What do you think the chances are that this teacher who has worked for years in the classroom and never faced this situation will make the right split second decision?
18 states have given teachers permission to carry guns at school with little more required than a permission slip, although few teachers are doing so. One reason might be that most of these states, have not given teachers the kind of authority they give police in dealing with violence. The question as to what the teacher's legal position might be if he misinterprets the situation and kills an innocent student, or draws his weapon to prevent what he believes might be a violent act and causes the violence he's trying to prevent, or a student uses his weapon against other students etc.... A policeman's use of his weapon is well defined but not so with teachers.
I think in the long run, the only teachers that will carry guns are those in schools in high crime areas where the teacher is in fear for himself and his students, certainly not in schools like Sandy Hook or Columbine.
Because a teacher that does not blame a student Wtheir parents is so much less trustworthy than a cop that has to have cameras to make them behave.I'd trust a cop with a gun more than I'd trust some teacher who believes that teaching my kid that having two daddies is normal is an important part of education with a gun.I'm glad to hear the teachers are arming themselves. If all teachers did this there would never be another Newtown or Columbine. If all soldiers did this there would never be another repeat as we saw at Ft. Hood.
smarterthantheaveragebear said:why not just put police at school?
Yes, because we can always trust the frick'n police.
PERIOD
I never shot myself ever...in 43 years...I have stabbed and slash meself....It happens to seasoned cops. Even troops. Get over it.
I only go with one interest in mind,,will the female teachers have sex with me....I think it would be FUN to arm teachers. It would make parent teacher conferences much more civil.Although you make a good point, I really don't think arming teachers is a good idea. I would never trust a non-police/military trained person to be carrying guns around a school my kids attend. Simply have police officers present in the schools, it's what our taxes pay for.While it's true that few teachers would be comfortable carrying concealed firearms and by no means should they be required to. But there are some teachers who are experienced shooters and would have no problem wearing a gun. And an armed, well-trained teacher or two would make a big difference if an armed psycho invaded their school.Teachers are not solders. They are trained to teach, not kill. Putting a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't know what there're doing is a disaster waiting to happen.
:You're quite right about the odds. But I believe one of the reasons schools appeal to mass shooters is the current awareness that there are no armed personnel to be concerned with. This aversion to guns is a virtual invitation to them.The chance of a teacher being in a life and death situation with an armed gunman in the classroom is about 1 in 10 million. What do you think the chances are that this teacher who has worked for years in the classroom and never faced this situation will make the right split second decision?
18 states have given teachers permission to carry guns at school with little more required than a permission slip, although few teachers are doing so. One reason might be that most of these states, have not given teachers the kind of authority they give police in dealing with violence. The question as to what the teacher's legal position might be if he misinterprets the situation and kills an innocent student, or draws his weapon to prevent what he believes might be a violent act and causes the violence he's trying to prevent, or a student uses his weapon against other students etc.... A policeman's use of his weapon is well defined but not so with teachers.
I think in the long run, the only teachers that will carry guns are those in schools in high crime areas where the teacher is in fear for himself and his students, certainly not in schools like Sandy Hook or Columbine.
Same here LOL. Proper firearm education is tantamount.I never shot myself ever...in 43 years...I have stabbed and slash meself....It happens to seasoned cops. Even troops. Get over it.
Most school violence is caused by students that attend the school, not mad gunman. If a teacher or principal has to use a gun, he will probably be to killing one of his students.Parents and other school employees have the right to know if teachers/school personnel are carrying loaded guns. Surely, no one would disagree with that.
Yes, they should have meetings with the school board and decide if they want teachers to carry guns....as far as implementing the policy, the names and locations in the school district of the armed staff and teachers should be secret...that way they can arm fewer teachers and staff but the not knowing provides protection for the entire district...since the killers won't know which schools have armed staff and how many may confront them...
If a teacher or principal has to use a gun, he will probably be to killing one of his students.
While it's true that few teachers would be comfortable carrying concealed firearms and by no means should they be required to. But there are some teachers who are experienced shooters and would have no problem wearing a gun. And an armed, well-trained teacher or two would make a big difference if an armed psycho invaded their school.Teachers are not solders. They are trained to teach, not kill. Putting a gun in the hands of someone who doesn't know what there're doing is a disaster waiting to happen.
:You're quite right about the odds. But I believe one of the reasons schools appeal to mass shooters is the current awareness that there are no armed personnel to be concerned with. This aversion to guns is a virtual invitation to them.The chance of a teacher being in a life and death situation with an armed gunman in the classroom is about 1 in 10 million. What do you think the chances are that this teacher who has worked for years in the classroom and never faced this situation will make the right split second decision?
Sad story, hope it didn't hurt too bad, and no you cannot have my guns, or my rights to own them.
And by the way Ludely, I know you're hoping stories like this happen.
This is the type of story that makes Luddy masturbate furiously.
This is the type of story that makes Luddy masturbate furiously.
These stories of accidents and accidental death further their cause...it hurts ours...so which side do you think really wants better safety education for firearms...?
This is the type of story that makes Luddy masturbate furiously.
These stories of accidents and accidental death further their cause...it hurts ours...so which side do you think really wants better safety education for firearms...?
they hate programs like eddie eagle for example
Which is exactly why we need to stop this bullshit discussion over gun "rights" and just ban all of them. No more guns, no more accidents like the one in the OP. Simple as that.
