Government will take stakes in more companies, top Trump adviser says

[kyzr]

Yeah, it's the struggle on here, to actually get them to write down what they think is good or bad about something. Usually they just insult, say TDS or tell you, in hundreds of words, why they don't need to prove anything.

Stop whining. Here are the government subsidies to corporations, i.e. "corporate welfare".
1. So explain why we need to give or "gift" taxpayer money to corporations instead of getting some taxpayer value such as buying stock?
2. Look at Intel, $8.4b + $7.9b via the CHIIPS Act ($16.3b total) is the biggest subsidy, bigger than Boeing. So why no subsidy to AMD, who is making a new plant in AZ?
3. If a subsidy is given it makes sense to buy stock instead of a gift of taxpayer cash.

Which U.S. Companies Receive the Most Government Subsidies?

Government subsidies are nearing tens of billions for some companies. Here’s the ones which got the most taxpayer support.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[candycorn]

Yes it is. But if the investments are non controlling interests or insufficiently large to give the stockholder any significantly leverage, I do understand why the deal with Intel was made.

But it likely--no guarantee but likely--will provide revenue for the U.S. Treasury. And most importantly it wrested control of Intel from China and secured the microchip industry, extremely critical for America's national security, in American control.

We have a President who is a multi-billionaire, who takes no vacations or weekends off, who takes no government salary. I don't think bribery is a concern at this time. This was not a bribery thing. This was a deal. Intel would get necessary CHIPS funding to expand operations here courtesy of Biden administration legislation--one that Trump likes and has not made any effort to reverse--and the U.S. government would be hopefully reimbursed with investment revenue going into the U.S. Treasury. And U.S. microchips will be manufactured here instead of China.

Who do we want to have complete control over the microchip industry? China? Or American companies producing those products in America?

I don't know if it will work out. If it doesn't we'll know soon enough. But I give President Trump credit for thinking outside the box and being willing to go outside the status quo or the 'we've always done it that way' or the 'we've never done it that way' mentality to protect America and Americans and make things better.

I'm not sure who is more out of touch with reality...you or you God Trump

 

[candycorn]

Stop whining. Here are the government subsidies to corporations, i.e. "corporate welfare".
1. So explain why we need to give or "gift" taxpayer money to corporations instead of getting some taxpayer value such as buying stock?
2. Look at Intel, $8.4b + $7.9b via the CHIIPS Act ($16.3b total) is the biggest subsidy, bigger than Boeing. So why no subsidy to AMD, who is making a new plant in AZ?
3. If a subsidy is given it makes sense to buy stock instead of a gift of taxpayer cash.

Which U.S. Companies Receive the Most Government Subsidies?

Government subsidies are nearing tens of billions for some companies. Here’s the ones which got the most taxpayer support.

www.visualcapitalist.com

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As I informed you on the other thread...many (if not most) of those industries hire a lot of Americans who, in turn, pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.... Its hardly the one way street you're imagining. Perhaps try being honest once in a while.

 

[kyzr]

As I informed you on the other thread...many (if not most) of those industries hire a lot of Americans who, in turn, pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.... Its hardly the one way street you're imagining. Perhaps try being honest once in a while.

As I informed you previously, its not capitalism if the government picks winners and losers.
Why give Intel $16.3b in taxpayer cash but not give AMD any, even as AMD builds a new plant in AZ?
Also, the question is, if a subsidy is given, why not buy stock instead of burning taxpayer cash?
As a taxpayer I prefer getting stock to getting nothing.

 

[candycorn]

As I informed you previously, its not capitalism if the government picks winners and losers.
Why give Intel $16.3b in taxpayer cash but not give AMD any, even as AMD builds a new plant in AZ?

So your remedy for this is to put the government on corporate boards and that will stop them from picking winners and losers?

Also, the question is, if a subsidy is given, why not buy stock instead of burning taxpayer cash?

Because the competitor will have zero chance to get government contracts. And as we've seen with Wal Mart, they drive the competition out of business they they leave town leaving the towns to fend for themselves. What you'll end up with is there being a single supplier for goods.

As a taxpayer I prefer getting stock to getting nothing.

Its a dumb idea. And only dumb people think otherwise.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

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Now the Trump cult is all for communism.

 

[kyzr]

So your remedy for this is to put the government on corporate boards and that will stop them from picking winners and losers?

No one from the government is going on Intel's board. Stopping subsidies would stop the government from picking winners and losers.

Because the competitor will have zero chance to get government contracts. And as we've seen with WalMart, they drive the competition out of business they they leave town leaving the towns to fend for themselves. What you'll end up with is there being a single supplier for goods.

Government contracts go to the lowest bidder. Walmart doesn't get subsidies.
Intel getting massive subsidies is unfair to AMD, which defeats your argument for the cause of single suppliers.

Its a dumb idea. And only dumb people think otherwise.

So give me reasons why its dumb to buy stock in a company as opposed to just giving taxpayer money away.

 

[Moonglow]

Medicaid costs need to be cut by removing illegals, which exploded under Biden.
55m visa overstays plus 12m border crashers is 67m illegals you want to give free healthcare?
Republicans generally get healthcare via company plans.

MAny Democrats get company healthcare plans also. I use the VA so that makes me an independent.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump Admin talking about equity stakes in defense companies. What? Why?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/26/trump-pentagon-equity-stakes-in-defense-contractors.html

 

[Edgetho]

Dear dimocrap scum:

Has Trump ever done ANYTHING right?

Ever?

didn't think so. kerry on with your Mean Girls group therapy. Sorry to bother you

 

[Zincwarrior]

Dear dimocrap scum:

Has Trump ever done ANYTHING right?

Ever?

didn't think so. kerry on with your Mean Girls group therapy. Sorry to bother you

Tariffs on China.

 

[The Duke]

I don't like this idea. The government should keep its nose clean. We can't have for-profit corporations being driven by government policy, we have plenty of historical precedent for that and none of it is good.

They take taxpayer dollars and invest it in businesses, and it happens in other ways too, for example CalPERS is a big investor on Wall Street. But the tagging of businesses as "essential for national security" and then propping them up with taxpayer dollars when they fail, is a clear indication that your national security is in a sorry state.

As an alternative, Intel could be split up into several smaller competing companies. Ultimately that might cost the taxpayers less, than continuing bailouts. Besides, security requires redundancy, a single point of control is a single point of failure.

Intel really can't be split up like that.

When did the US own any part Solyndra?

Obama gave billions to his cronies to "start" Solyndra, and they took the money and did a bunch of sketchy things and took the money and poofed within a year.
That was Taxpayer money, shithead.
One of the sketchy things was leasing land and planting Sorghum on it, 1000s of acres.
(for "Biofuel")
By harvest time, Solyndra was gone, the Sorghum was all dead, and the landowner had to plow it under, and Sorghum is tougher than sugarcane.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Medicaid costs need to be cut by removing illegals, which exploded under Biden.
55m visa overstays plus 12m border crashers is 67m illegals you want to give free healthcare?
Republicans generally get healthcare via company plans.

Doesn't matter, it'd probably be CHEAPER to give free healthcare to these people than to keep the current system.

The UK was spending LESS than the US government on healthcare.

So, for medicaid and medicare was, per person, slightly more expensive than the UK just serving whoever turned up. The UK has a system in place now where if you come to the country legally you have to pay about $1,500 a year for healthcare, on top of the taxes you'd already be paying.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Stop whining. Here are the government subsidies to corporations, i.e. "corporate welfare".
1. So explain why we need to give or "gift" taxpayer money to corporations instead of getting some taxpayer value such as buying stock?
2. Look at Intel, $8.4b + $7.9b via the CHIIPS Act ($16.3b total) is the biggest subsidy, bigger than Boeing. So why no subsidy to AMD, who is making a new plant in AZ?
3. If a subsidy is given it makes sense to buy stock instead of a gift of taxpayer cash.

Which U.S. Companies Receive the Most Government Subsidies?

Government subsidies are nearing tens of billions for some companies. Here’s the ones which got the most taxpayer support.

www.visualcapitalist.com

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The debate here isn't whether I support this or not. The debate here is that Trump is doing something that for a lot of MAGA and conservatives amounts to SOCIALISM. Which they hate.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Intel really can't be split up like that.

Obama gave billions to his cronies to "start" Solyndra, and they took the money and did a bunch of sketchy things and took the money and poofed within a year.
That was Taxpayer money, shithead.
One of the sketchy things was leasing land and planting Sorghum on it, 1000s of acres.
(for "Biofuel")
By harvest time, Solyndra was gone, the Sorghum was all dead, and the landowner had to plow it under, and Sorghum is tougher than sugarcane.

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[Mac1958]

The debate here isn't whether I support this or not. The debate here is that Trump is doing something that for a lot of MAGA and conservatives amounts to SOCIALISM. Which they hate.

He's gotten them to sell out the Constitution, Capitalism, and even Christianity. Which tells you that those were never seriously-held beliefs of theirs. They just follow. They're ten year olds at a pro wrestling show.

 

[frigidweirdo]

He's gotten them to sell out the Constitution, Capitalism, and even Christianity. Which tells you that those were never seriously-held beliefs of theirs. They just follow. They're ten year olds at a pro wrestling show.

Ten year olds huh? Isn't that a little bit kind? Maybe 6 year olds.

 

[cnm]

I guess MAGA was correct when they said that if I didn't vote for Trump we'd fall to Socialism.

Now you've got state sponsored capitalism, like China.

Enjoy.

 

[cnm]

I want stock for all future subsidies.

That's nice dear.

 

[cnm]

Wow, the double speak is strong here.

The mark of a true Chump disciple. Say everything so one can always claim one was right.

As I informed you previously, its not capitalism if the government picks winners and losers.
Why give Intel $16.3b in taxpayer cash but not give AMD any, even as AMD builds a new plant in AZ?
Also, the question is, if a subsidy is given, why not buy stock instead of burning taxpayer cash?
As a taxpayer I prefer getting stock to getting nothing.

You'll get nothing. Chump will get a slush fund.