Gov. Cuomo for President?

[WillowTree]

Did you know that Cuomo said, “ I accept that we will have fewer hospital beds with the expansion of Medicaid”? Twenty hospitals in NY closed with the expansion of Medicaid. R

Why do you so hate it when people who couldn’t previously get health care now can? You must really want poor people to die or become a drain on the ER services.

Medicaid is far from the only or even main factor causing the closure of hospitals and the reduction in hospital beds. Hospital across the country can not afford the expense of maintaining large numbers of empty beds. Our entire healthcare system has shifted over the years towards one with fewer hospitalizations and more home based care.

Why NYC needs hospitals to close

It’s painful to see a hospital close its doors for good. Painful for patients, painful for workers and painful for the community it has long proudly served. But that pain, and the public outcry tha…

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I gave you the story now you spin it every way you want to. You are an American hater. Why dew ewe hate Americans? The point was, Cuomo in his own words was willing to sacrifice hospitals, doctors, and beds to expand medicaid. I think he might be rethinking that now as he is screaming for the army to come build him some hospitals. Why don’t you get off your fat ass and sign onto a building crew?

 

[WillowTree]

Cuomo was completely caught off guard. Trump was addressing the virus back in January while Cuomo and his party were effing around with impeachment. Now Cuomo is grandstanding pretending to be a leader. He needs to STFU.

Cuomo and his crowd were encouraging their citizens to mingle, eat out and thumb their noses at Trump’s efforts. Called him a xenophobe and a racist. See what it got them?

 

[MarathonMike]

Cuoma is getting more air time than anyone and he is taking full advantage with his hysterical demands. He appears to positioning himself for a Presidential run in 2024.

He's doing an acceptable job. Considering his past he is keeping the political jabs to a minimum.

He is also probably over-estimating the requirements for equipment, but everyone does it.

The point of my thread is that it is over the top. I agree he is doing an acceptable job but we don't need to see him every hour on the hour making demands that are far beyond reasonable. The problem is that there are not limitless resources. If Cuomo gets his 30,000 ventilators and needs 1000 then what happens to the people in ICU in other parts of the country?

 

[Coyote]

Did you know that Cuomo said, “ I accept that we will have fewer hospital beds with the expansion of Medicaid”? Twenty hospitals in NY closed with the expansion of Medicaid. R

Why do you so hate it when people who couldn’t previously get health care now can? You must really want poor people to die or become a drain on the ER services.

Medicaid is far from the only or even main factor causing the closure of hospitals and the reduction in hospital beds. Hospital across the country can not afford the expense of maintaining large numbers of empty beds. Our entire healthcare system has shifted over the years towards one with fewer hospitalizations and more home based care.

Why NYC needs hospitals to close

It’s painful to see a hospital close its doors for good. Painful for patients, painful for workers and painful for the community it has long proudly served. But that pain, and the public outcry tha…

nypost.com

I gave you the story now you spin it every way you want to. You are an American hater. Why dew ewe hate Americans? The point was, Cuomo in his own words was willing to sacrifice hospitals, doctors, and beds to expand medicaid. I think he might be rethinking that now as he is screaming for the army to come build him some hospitals. Why don’t you get off your fat ass and sign onto a building crew?

You also claimed many hospitals closed with the expansion of Medicaid when they were headed for closure for many other reasons.

So you think they would have stayed open otherwise? Who would pay for all the empty beds until a pandemic hits?

 

[WillowTree]

Did you know that Cuomo said, “ I accept that we will have fewer hospital beds with the expansion of Medicaid”? Twenty hospitals in NY closed with the expansion of Medicaid. R

Why do you so hate it when people who couldn’t previously get health care now can? You must really want poor people to die or become a drain on the ER services.

Medicaid is far from the only or even main factor causing the closure of hospitals and the reduction in hospital beds. Hospital across the country can not afford the expense of maintaining large numbers of empty beds. Our entire healthcare system has shifted over the years towards one with fewer hospitalizations and more home based care.

Why NYC needs hospitals to close

It’s painful to see a hospital close its doors for good. Painful for patients, painful for workers and painful for the community it has long proudly served. But that pain, and the public outcry tha…

nypost.com

I gave you the story now you spin it every way you want to. You are an American hater. Why dew ewe hate Americans? The point was, Cuomo in his own words was willing to sacrifice hospitals, doctors, and beds to expand medicaid. I think he might be rethinking that now as he is screaming for the army to come build him some hospitals. Why don’t you get off your fat ass and sign onto a building crew?

You also claimed many hospitals closed with the expansion of Medicaid when they were headed for closure for many other reasons.

So you think they would have stayed open otherwise? Who would pay for all the empty beds until a pandemic hits?

I didn’t claim shit. Get off your fat ass and read.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't know how that is given the fact more people entered the work market. You do know that boomers are working after retirement, don't you?

Wrong on all counts. Boomers are retiring at a rate of 360,000 a month. only about 180,000 replacements are graduating college or high school every month.

It would take a major league fuckup to have high unemployment, but that's what Trump specializes in. he's the only guy who could LOSE money running casinos.

I'm not denying that, I'm stating what started it all. It was the feds lowering interest rates and forcing banks to greatly lower their loan standards to meet Clinton's desire, which was to have more poor and minorities in their own houses. It worked too, that's exactly what happened.

Bush screwed up because he too wanted to be known as the President that had more minorities own homes. So he didn't stop it. He loved taking credit for it as he was trying to buy more minority votes. He did try to stop it, but the Democrats wouldn't play along.

again, the banks that dealt in that market weren't the ones that needed the bailout. The thing about CRA loans is that because the government regulates them, banks had to produce a lot more paperwork proving due diligence... as opposed to the banks that were just cashing in on the McMansion Boom.

Bush had nothing to do with it. Do you think he oversees loans? The banks go by one standard--the government standard. It was government that told banks to make those bad loans, specifically F&F. Left on their own, the banks would never do such a thing.

Actually, the banks made bad loans to white people buying McMansions because they figured the property values would go up after they defaulted. They took those bad mortgages and misrepresented their value as investments.

I could spend time educating you on this, but you've heard a story on Hate Radio and you're sticking to it.

Here's an article from that Commie Rag "Forbes" that explains it well.

The Lie That Won't Die: 'Poor Borrowers Caused The Financial Crisis'

Once again, critics of the Community Reinvestment Act are claiming that the CRA forced banks to offer risky mortgages to minorities and the poor, resulting in the global financial collapse. Except, it's not true.

www.forbes.com

A pernicious attempted excuse is that regulations are unnecessary because the banks and other financial institutions weren't the actual cause of the financial collapse not so long ago. Instead, it was all the CRA's fault because banks were somehow "forced" to lend to people who weren't honest about their incomes.

Somehow, supposedly, financial institutions suddenly were forced to make bad loans. Except they weren't. If you've ever read any of the CRA, which its critics generally haven't, you'll not see a word about providing more lenient lending standards. Banks aren't required to change their risk management and underwriting processes at all, which is why for decades there was no enormous problem that sprang up. Lenders weren't taking undue chances.

That started in the 2000s when, now free of Glass-Steagall, all the financial institutions could start getting into other profitable lines of business. As one former industry CEO once told me, banks scrambled to get into these other areas that they didn't really understand and they failed to undertake the necessary risk management.

Research has shown — as noted by law professor and author Jennifer Taub — that only 6% of high-cost loans had any connection to CRA lending. In fact, loans from CRA-connected lenders were half as likely to default as those made in the same neighborhoods by other mortgage lenders that didn't come under the CRA.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Cuoma is getting more air time than anyone and he is taking full advantage with his hysterical demands. He appears to positioning himself for a Presidential run in 2024.

He is getting airtime because he is handling the crisis in the worst hit area of the US extremely well. Like a leader. He is talking with his people daily, updating them, assuring them, but not giving any false information.

He says the exact same thing as Trump but the D after his name prevents the media from calling him on it whenever they find fault with Trump.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

again, the banks that dealt in that market weren't the ones that needed the bailout. The thing about CRA loans is that because the government regulates them, banks had to produce a lot more paperwork proving due diligence... as opposed to the banks that were just cashing in on the McMansion Boom.

I didn't bring up CRA loans. Why do you? You think the only kind of loans handled by HUD and F&F were CRA's?

Actually, the banks made bad loans to white people buying McMansions because they figured the property values would go up after they defaulted. They took those bad mortgages and misrepresented their value as investments.

I could spend time educating you on this, but you've heard a story on Hate Radio and you're sticking to it.

Here's an article from that Commie Rag "Forbes" that explains it well.

What it's talking about are CRA's, again, something I wasn't even talking about.

In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.

Eager to put more low-income and minority families into their own homes, the agency required that two government-chartered mortgage finance firms purchase far more "affordable" loans made to these borrowers. HUD stuck with an outdated policy that allowed Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to count billions of dollars they invested in subprime loans as a public good that would foster affordable housing.

The agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending. Subprime loans are targeted toward borrowers with poor credit, and they generally carry higher interest rates than conventional loans.

In 2001, HUD researchers warned of high foreclosure rates among subprime loans.

"Given the very high concentration of these loans in low-income and African American neighborhoods, the growth in subprime lending and resulting very high levels of foreclosure is a real cause for concern," an agency report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626_pf.html

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't bring up CRA loans. Why do you? You think the only kind of loans handled by HUD and F&F were CRA's?

Nope, but they weren't the problem, the banks were.

In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.

Okay. Who was President in 2004? Oh, that's right BUSH. Who was president four years later when the whole thing fell in. Oh, wait. It was STILL Bush.

Recessions aren't a bug of Republican Rule, they're a design feature.

 

[Penelope]

With the implosion of their nominating process, a new Democratic star is rising: NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo is looking and talking more Presidential than any other Democrat (and maybe Trump, too). Look for Bernie to concede, Biden to withdraw and Cuomo to ride to the rescue. He can take credit for successes in fighting the Corona virus and blame Trump for any failures. Could be a winning combination if he doesn't pick a lunatic for his VP.

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What makes you think this is funny? It makes me worried.

If Cuomo thought he had a chance, he would’ve run. He doesn’t have a good answer to why so many people and businesses have been fleeing his state. Cuomo keeps winning because the people with half a brain keep leaving the state, and the people who aren’t paying attention to how broke their state is, and how bad their schools are stay.

In his defense everyone leaves the colder states for those that are warmer, they get old and hate the snow!

 

[IM2]

It's so funny when republicans decide they can tell democrats who to nominate for president or come up with these hairbrained theories about what's going to happen to democratic primaries. If Cuomo had wanted to run for president he would have. What's going to happen is that Biden will be the nominee and he will kick trumps ass in November. Now I know I am going to get the funnies from the nutjobs living in alternative fact world, but reality shows us that the easy victory these loons say trump is going to have doesn't show up. You don't poll at 40 percent or less for 4 years and get re-elected. This is not 2016, Biden is not hated like Clinton was, and the fluke where you lose the popular vote and win electoral states doesn't happen with Biden because he has a connection with those "poor downtrodden working class whites" that Clinton was accused of not having.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's so funny when republicans decide they can tell democrats who to nominate for president or come up with these hairbrained theories about what's going to happen to democratic primaries. If Cuomo had wanted to run for president he would have. What's going to happen is that Biden will be the nominee and he will kick trumps ass in November. Now I know I am going to get the funnies from the nutjobs living in alternative fact world, but reality shows us that the easy victory these loons say trump is going to have doesn't show up. You don't poll at 40 percent or less for 4 years and get re-elected. This is not 2016, Biden is not hated like Clinton was, and the fluke where you lose the popular vote and win electoral states doesn't happen with Biden because he has a connection with those "poor downtrodden working class whites" that Clinton was accused of not having.

Biden is so lost he doesn't even know which way to face on a stage. On several occasions when his constituents asked tough questions at town halls, he got so pissed off at them. He has no cool, and Trump is going to use that flaw during the debates.

The President is also quick with the replies. Very few people have tripped him up. He's not only good at that, but funny as well. Biden may not be Hillary, but he's been involved with a lot of shady deals, especially where is family is concerned.

Biden is hiding right now because he can't go a week without a gaff or forgetting what he was talking about. The Democrat party wants him to shut up now that he's secured the nomination. As for Cuomo, nobody really paid attention to him until his state developed such a problem with this virus. If not for that, most people would still be saying "Cuomo who???"

 

[JoeB131]

The President is also quick with the replies. Very few people have tripped him up. He's not only good at that, but funny as well. Biden may not be Hillary, but he's been involved with a lot of shady deals, especially where is family is concerned.

Only people who find him "Funny" are the racists who usually get dirty looks from decent people.

No amount of "Funny" is going to save this guy when unemployment hits 10%.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nope, but they weren't the problem, the banks were.

The banks were part of the problem, but the banks only operate by government guidelines. If the government never got involved, there would have never been a housing bubble or collapse. It all started with this idiotic goal of getting the poor and minorities into homes they could never afford in the first place.

Okay. Who was President in 2004? Oh, that's right BUSH. Who was president four years later when the whole thing fell in. Oh, wait. It was STILL Bush.

Why is it you people on the left think a US President is a king with nobody to answer to? Again, Republicans tried to get a handle on this before it ended up where it did. What did the Democrats do? Just watch.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The President is also quick with the replies. Very few people have tripped him up. He's not only good at that, but funny as well. Biden may not be Hillary, but he's been involved with a lot of shady deals, especially where is family is concerned.

Only people who find him "Funny" are the racists who usually get dirty looks from decent people.

No amount of "Funny" is going to save this guy when unemployment hits 10%.

If it does hit 10%, most people will at least know it's not his fault, and Biden is not the person to hand the ball off to. Watch how he points to the guy that is carrying the nuclear codes for him.

 

[theHawk]

Cuomo is owned by every stupid leftwing interest group. Just look at his Twitter before all this started. He’s only worried about special interest groups and “hate crimes” against them. He’s most obsessed with Jews and queers of course. He also refused to help ICE track down illegals in his state. He’s definitely an establishment Democrat who will do whatever he is told by the DNC and every leftwing interest group you can think of.

 

[JoeB131]

The banks were part of the problem, but the banks only operate by government guidelines. If the government never got involved, there would have never been a housing bubble or collapse. It all started with this idiotic goal of getting the poor and minorities into homes they could never afford in the first place.

NO, it started with the banks making reckless loans. Poor people weren't the problem, the values of their home was barely a blip. It was the big McMansions that were the problem.

Stop being a battered housewife Republican.

Why is it you people on the left think a US President is a king with nobody to answer to? Again, Republicans tried to get a handle on this before it ended up where it did. What did the Democrats do? Just watch.

They did no such thing... Point was, Bush was in charge. He appointed the regulators... The reality- he was fine with what was going on because it gave the ILLUSION of prosperity after the 2001 Recession.

If it does hit 10%, most people will at least know it's not his fault, and Biden is not the person to hand the ball off to. Watch how he points to the guy that is carrying the nuclear codes for him.

Not sure who most people are, exactly? Most people watch this guy fumble on the stage, watch him contradict the medical professionals, promise vaccines that aren't coming.

The real problem is, Trump knows that he's screwed this up, it's why he's endangering more lives by trying to get people back to work early.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NO, it started with the banks making reckless loans. Poor people weren't the problem, the values of their home was barely a blip. It was the big McMansions that were the problem.

Stop being a battered housewife Republican.

It did start with the bad loans to poor people. It ballooned from there which is what caused housing prices to rise, and more people getting involved with house flipping and home construction. It didn't happen all on it's own.

The banks CANNOT make loans outside of F&F standards. If they do, they won't be able to sell them as securities, and no bank keeps subprime loans. I'm sure the banks knew they were making bad loans, but it's government that lowered those standards. If you didn't want to go by those standards, then your competitor will, and they will take all those customers.

People buying those "McMansions" as you call them had money. They didn't need government to lower standards because they were companies or individual wealthy people with excellent credit. The people who needed those lower standards were minorities and poor people, because the previous loan requirements were something out of their reach. They either didn't make enough money or had a bad credit score.

They did no such thing... Point was, Bush was in charge. He appointed the regulators... The reality- he was fine with what was going on because it gave the ILLUSION of prosperity after the 2001 Recession.

That comment alone tells me you didn't even bother clicking on either of those videos.

Not sure who most people are, exactly? Most people watch this guy fumble on the stage, watch him contradict the medical professionals, promise vaccines that aren't coming.

The real problem is, Trump knows that he's screwed this up, it's why he's endangering more lives by trying to get people back to work early.

You should have seen his press conference yesterday. The MSM was trying to trip him up by asking that same question over and over. Each time, he pointed to his medical experts and said it's based on their recommendations.

Trump didn't screw anything up. The day the WHO issued a warning that this could be a problem, the first thing the President did was issue a travel ban.

 

[JoeB131]

It did start with the bad loans to poor people. It ballooned from there which is what caused housing prices to rise, and more people getting involved with house flipping and home construction. It didn't happen all on it's own.

Except nothing in the CRA required them to make bad loans to poor people..

That comment alone tells me you didn't even bother clicking on either of those videos.

One more time. I won't click on your videos. I won't click on your links. Life's too fucking short.

Trump didn't screw anything up. The day the WHO issued a warning that this could be a problem, the first thing the President did was issue a travel ban.

WHICH MADE MATTERS WORSE. Travel Bans just meant that a bunch of infected Americans rushed back here, with the virus and spread it.

 

[JoeB131]

Cuomo and his crowd were encouraging their citizens to mingle, eat out and thumb their noses at Trump’s efforts. Called him a xenophobe and a racist. See what it got them?

Wow, what revisionist history.

Trump called this the "New Democratic Hoax" when other people were warning about it.