Gorsuch's swipe at the fecklessness of congressional R's.

[berg80]

And yet we see it playing out.

Actually, we don't. Apples and oranges.

 

[Mac1958]

Because others before were not held accountable. If they had, there is no Trump today.

The Dems have a lot do with the rise of Trumpism. They played a key role. They won't admit it, it doesn't appear that they've learned from it, but they did.

But still, there is no Democratic Party comparison to what is happening. This is a literal threat, not bad policy.

 

[pknopp]

The Dems have a lot do with the rise of Trumpism. They played a key role. They won't admit it, it doesn't appear that they've learned from it, but they did.

But still, there is no Democratic Party comparison to what is happening. This is a literal threat, not bad policy.

I never said it was a perfect comparison. I clearly said that when you ignore the wrong from your guy it will only get worse with the next.

 

[Lesh]

Trump is pretty blatantly attempting to exercise dictatorial power and Republicans in Congress are too scared of him to do anything about.

In truth about half of them actually agree with him but the other half are just gutlessly climbing on to their jobs

 

[berg80]

I never said it was a perfect comparison. I clearly said that when you ignore the wrong from your guy it will only get worse with the next.

As the dissent in the student loan case indicates, the Biden admin had every reason to believe his debt forgiveness plan was constitutional. No such argument can be credibly made about trump's tariff scheme. The tariff power clearly lies with Congress. There is no analogy to be made with respect to student loans.

 

[pknopp]

As the dissent in the student loan case indicates, the Biden admin had every reason to believe his debt forgiveness plan was constitutional.

Just as Trump believed his actions were.

No such argument can be credibly made about trump's tariff scheme. The tariff power clearly lies with Congress. There is no analogy to be made with respect to student loans.

There is no Constitutional anything that just allows a president to waive his arms and make debt disappear.

And I say that as someone that could have supported a bill to do just that.

 

[justoffal]

Anything you refuse to condemn your guy for will only get worse with the next.

Did you make this same argument when Biden decided to forgive student loans and the courts made basically the same argument knocking it down?

No he did not

 

[pknopp]

No he did not

Nor will you now.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In Gorsuch’s Homage to Legislative Power, a Subtle Reproach of a Neutered Congress​

Justice Neil M. Gorsuch’s concurring opinion released on Friday after the Supreme Court struck down President Trump’s tariffs concluded with a paean to Congress that read like a requiem for a bygone era of legislative power.

“Yes, legislating can be hard and take time,” wrote Justice Gorsuch, a Trump appointee who is part of the court’s conservative majority. “And yes, it can be tempting to bypass Congress when some pressing problem arises. But the deliberative nature of the legislative process was the whole point of its design. Through that process, the nation can tap the combined wisdom of the people’s elected representatives, not just that of one faction or man.”

It was a description of governing completely at odds with what is currently underway across the street from the Supreme Court at the Capitol, where Republicans controlling the House and the Senate have ceded their power to one man — Mr. Trump — on a variety of issues. In essence, they are acting as if they have no wisdom to tap, or no business doing so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/21/us/politics/gorsuch-congress-trump-tariffs.html

Once in a while a simple comment is able to crystalize the zeitgeist of an entire enterprise in ways a thousand words can not. What follows was such a comment.

Asked at a news conference at the White House on Friday whether he now planned to work with Congress to impose the kinds of sweeping tariffs he prefers, Mr. Trump said he had no intention of doing so.

“I don’t have to,” he said. “I have the right to do tariffs.”

Undaunted after the SC told him he in fact does not have the right to unilaterally "do" tariffs he defiantly claimed he does. Because he believes his power to rule over the country is absolute regardless of what the Constitution says. Explaining why he refuses to go to Congress for their consent. Completely ignoring the Founder's intent as Gorsuch so eloquently points out. "But the deliberative nature of the legislative process was the whole point of its design. Through that process, the nation can tap the combined wisdom of the people’s elected representatives, not just that of one faction or man.”

It's time for congressional R's to end their abdication of authority to a man with no respect for its role in the governance of the nation. The fact that he believes he doesn't have go through the normal legislative process is reason enough to force him to.

Best thing for America would be all of DC being swallowed by a sinkhole and we have to restart

 

[berg80]

Just as Trump believed his actions were.

Again, not an apt comparison. The law regarding tariffs is and was clear as a bell. It was delusional to think otherwise. You should read the dissent in the student loan case to understand why your analogy falls flat.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, do you think Gorsuch was wrong to point out congressional R's failure to meet their constitutional responsibilities?

 

[berg80]

No he did not

As if you have any idea what you're talking about.

 

[pknopp]

Again, not an apt comparison. The law regarding tariffs is and was clear as a bell. It was delusional to think otherwise. You should read the dissent in the student loan case to understand why your analogy falls flat.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, do you think Gorsuch was wrong to point out congressional R's failure to meet their constitutional responsibilities?

No, just as I don't think it was wrong to point it out in other situations BUT Gorsuch was condemning Congress not just Republican's. The Republican swipe was from the NYT's.

 

[Mac1958]

Congressional Republicans don’t have the balls to tell Trump NO

Look at what he said about the conservative SC justices who voted against him on the tariffs.

He's straight up feral now. He'll try to destroy anyone.

 

[berg80]

No, just as I don't think it was wrong to point it out in other situations BUT Gorsuch was condemning Congress not just Republican's. The Republican swipe was from the NYT's.

Your misread of his comments shows either a lack of comprehension skills or a lack of intellectual honesty.

 

[pknopp]

Your misread of his comments shows either a lack of comprehension skills or a lack of intellectual honesty.

Yeah? How did I misread it?

 

[berg80]

Look at what he said about the conservative SC justices who voted against him on the tariffs.

He's straight up feral now. He'll try to destroy anyone.

And in so doing he is destroying himself. Only the cult-like devotion of The Following keeps his approval rating above 20%.

 

[berg80]

Yeah? How did I misread it?

By falling back on your erroneous, preconceived notion that there is a credible equivalence to be made between what D's have done and what R's are doing. There isn't.

Do you honestly think, in the context of his concurrence, he wasn't pointing to R's failures when it comes to tariffs?

 

[Mac1958]

And in so doing he is destroying himself. Only the cult-like devotion of The Following keeps his approval rating above 20%.

I do wonder if his growing rage will make it more likely that he'll try something crazy. The people who are closest to him, like Miller, would probably go along with it. But he may be too weakened now. And I doubt that Generals would fall in line for the drunk idiot at the Pentagon.

 

[pknopp]

By falling back on your erroneous, preconceived notion that there is a credible equivalence to be made between what D's have done and what R's are doing. There isn't.

You can continue to spin all you want and ignore my argument if you wish.


ooooooommmmmmmm.

 

[berg80]

You can continue to spin all you want and ignore my argument if you wish.


ooooooommmmmmmm.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm proving its shortsightedness.

Do you honestly think, in the context of his concurrence, he wasn't pointing to R's failures when it comes to tariffs?