GOP working on legislation to strip Twitter of federal liability protections

[g5000]

He CLEARLY explains the difference between being a platform open to all & a publisher which can control content.

Well done President Trump

Sure, I know what it is....WAHHHHHHH!!!!, they're being mean to me!! They won't let me post lies!! Honestly, what a whiny little bitch. Twitter didn't delete his tweets, didn't alter the words in his tweets (which would be censorship). They slapped a fact check tag on his tweets?..Why?...because they're unsubstantiated claims. So the media empire that basically built, enabled, and then let fester his 2016 campaign is now the enemy? Careful about biting the hand that made you!

I've had 3 posts deleted from Facebook in the last 2 months. No notification. No explanation of and infraction. Just *poof*

That is what a publisher does not an open platform.

And to be CRYSTAL CLEAR I have been calling for Social Media to be regulated for at least a year so it has nothing to docwith Trumps Twitter account. In fact I called for it LONG BEFORE Elizabeth Warren took up the issue during her campaign.

Twitter and Facebook are privately held companies that are allowed to set their own rules and TOS.
Again, Twitter did not delete or alter his tweets. No censorship took place.

they altered his tweets by adding to them dumbass,,,

They added a fact check note to them. They did not erase or alter any of the words that he typed.
Next....

they fact checked an opinion of the future that hasnt happened yet,,,,thats not fact checking thats editing for political gain and why they dont qualify for the protections of a platform,,,,

Nope. Wrong again, cuck.

Trump manufactured bullshit. Pure and simple.

All Twitter did was link to the facts about the low incidence of fraud in absentee balloting. Trump made up BULLSHIT based on magical thinking which he knew you cucks would eat like candy.

Someone called him on his bullshit. Boo hoo!

your TDS is so bad you dont realize its not just about trump,,,

Hey cuck. Twitter has been DELETING lies and hatred on their site for a long time. They finally held Trump to the same standard.

Actually, if they did hold Trump to the same standards of everyone else, he would have been banned a long time ago.

Nice try, cuck.

and thats what makes them a publisher not a platform,,,and as such dont get the special protections of a platform

They are a platform. Sorry, cuck. Them's the facts.

 

[occupied]

Long video, but very interesting details provided.

Will it work?

I only see two likely ways this could play out:

1. Twitter/Facebook et al could just accept their status as publishers and start banning more people/speech and further demonstrate their left-wing bias, which could lead to a mass exodus or boycott, including losses of advertising used to support their businesses.

2. They could stop acting like brown shirts or Heinrich Himmler and the SS, and only edit content under 230 (as will need to be clearly defined by the FCC or whomever) and they get to continue as mere platforms with 230 protections.

I am interested in how this will affect Google, given their seriously-troubling search content editing and manipulation. They have the most to lose by this, and their actions are clearly demonstrable.

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Twitter could just ban him from the platform for attacking the moderation and management of the board. Very much within their rights to do that.

Sure. That would have been even MORE damaging to their business, but yes. That is a stupid decision that could have made.

I hope they do.

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I hope they do too, I really do. They are already treating him far better than he deserves for making them have to lawyer up over a moderation decision.

 

[colfax_m]

So they become liable for everyone else’s speech on their website because they engaged in their own speech? Sounds putative.

Yes. That's what happens when you start acting like a publisher because certain speech hurts your feel-feels.

There’s about a million things I’d rather do than listen to this doofus for half an hour. I really don’t have much respect for this guy’s honesty or intelligence.

He breaks down the EO.

OR, you can just read the EO. Either way.

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Section 230 was specifically written to give platforms the ability to act like publishers without assuming liability for every user post.

That was the whole point.

You don’t happen to know where I can find the text of the order? It was only signed a few hours ago and haven’t been able to see a copy. Not sure how Timmy could pump out a video so quick.

 

[progressive hunter]

He CLEARLY explains the difference between being a platform open to all & a publisher which can control content.

Well done President Trump

Sure, I know what it is....WAHHHHHHH!!!!, they're being mean to me!! They won't let me post lies!! Honestly, what a whiny little bitch. Twitter didn't delete his tweets, didn't alter the words in his tweets (which would be censorship). They slapped a fact check tag on his tweets?..Why?...because they're unsubstantiated claims. So the media empire that basically built, enabled, and then let fester his 2016 campaign is now the enemy? Careful about biting the hand that made you!

I've had 3 posts deleted from Facebook in the last 2 months. No notification. No explanation of and infraction. Just *poof*

That is what a publisher does not an open platform.

And to be CRYSTAL CLEAR I have been calling for Social Media to be regulated for at least a year so it has nothing to docwith Trumps Twitter account. In fact I called for it LONG BEFORE Elizabeth Warren took up the issue during her campaign.

Twitter and Facebook are privately held companies that are allowed to set their own rules and TOS.
Again, Twitter did not delete or alter his tweets. No censorship took place.

they altered his tweets by adding to them dumbass,,,

They added a fact check note to them. They did not erase or alter any of the words that he typed.
Next....

they fact checked an opinion of the future that hasnt happened yet,,,,thats not fact checking thats editing for political gain and why they dont qualify for the protections of a platform,,,,

Nope. Wrong again, cuck.

Trump manufactured bullshit. Pure and simple.

All Twitter did was link to the facts about the low incidence of fraud in absentee balloting. Trump made up BULLSHIT based on magical thinking which he knew you cucks would eat like candy.

Someone called him on his bullshit. Boo hoo!

your TDS is so bad you dont realize its not just about trump,,,

Hey cuck. Twitter has been DELETING lies and hatred on their site for a long time. They finally held Trump to the same standard.

Actually, if they did hold Trump to the same standards of everyone else, he would have been banned a long time ago.

Nice try, cuck.

and thats what makes them a publisher not a platform,,,and as such dont get the special protections of a platform

They are a platform. Sorry, cuck. Them's the facts.

not when they decided to control 100% of the content,,,

 

[g5000]

It would not harm Twitter one lick if they banned the lying hatemongering troll Trump from their platform.

 

[skye]

He CLEARLY explains the difference between being a platform open to all & a publisher which can control content.

Well done President Trump

Sure, I know what it is....WAHHHHHHH!!!!, they're being mean to me!! They won't let me post lies!! Honestly, what a whiny little bitch. Twitter didn't delete his tweets, didn't alter the words in his tweets (which would be censorship). They slapped a fact check tag on his tweets?..Why?...because they're unsubstantiated claims. So the media empire that basically built, enabled, and then let fester his 2016 campaign is now the enemy? Careful about biting the hand that made you!

I've had 3 posts deleted from Facebook in the last 2 months. No notification. No explanation of and infraction. Just *poof*

That is what a publisher does not an open platform.

And to be CRYSTAL CLEAR I have been calling for Social Media to be regulated for at least a year so it has nothing to docwith Trumps Twitter account. In fact I called for it LONG BEFORE Elizabeth Warren took up the issue during her campaign.

Twitter and Facebook are privately held companies that are allowed to set their own rules and TOS.
Again, Twitter did not delete or alter his tweets. No censorship took place.

they altered his tweets by adding to them dumbass,,,

They added a fact check note to them. They did not erase or alter any of the words that he typed.
Next....

they fact checked an opinion of the future that hasnt happened yet,,,,thats not fact checking thats editing for political gain and why they dont qualify for the protections of a platform,,,,

Nope. Wrong again, cuck.

Trump manufactured bullshit. Pure and simple.

All Twitter did was link to the facts about the low incidence of fraud in absentee balloting. Trump made up BULLSHIT based on magical thinking which he knew you cucks would eat like candy.

Someone called him on his bullshit. Boo hoo!

your TDS is so bad you dont realize its not just about trump,,,

Hey cuck. Twitter has been DELETING lies and hatred on their site for a long time. They finally held Trump to the same standard.

Actually, if they did hold Trump to the same standards of everyone else, he would have been banned a long time ago.

Nice try, cuck.

and thats what makes them a publisher not a platform,,,and as such dont get the special protections of a platform

They are a platform. Sorry, cuck. Them's the facts.

Wrong.

When they start editing answers, then they are NOT simply a platform anymore.

It is what it is!

 

[SmokeALib]

So glad you finally care about presidents abusing their power now. The donald really turned you leftist hacks into upholders of the law.
I love it!

What law would that be? I only know of the one's he's broken.

I will just brush this post off as you being a dumbass and can't help it

You're brushing yourself off as a coward in search of a way out. Your post is a 180 from who Trump is and what he represents, based on pure factual information concerning his total disregard for the law. I can help it, because I am honest. You can't help it because you are not.

I implied this was illegal, you moron.
Good gawd, how have you not accidently killed yourself yet?

That's even better. You approve of abuse of power then. Says everything we need to know about you.

Lol im done. You are missing too many chromosomes to have a decent convo with

I don't want any of those chromosomes. Cheer leading for an abuse of power is your baby, not mine.

Sometimes, you worthless leftist traitors need to be abused.

 

[iceberg]

Gaetz is virtue signaling. His little hissy fit has no chance at doing anything.

Second, if his bill did pass, the result would be the immediate removal of Trump from the platform.

The sole intention of this episode is to intimidate Twitter like the thugs they are.

you lose a lot of cred if you say twitter is being pushed around. they either allow open communication on their platform, trump included, or they choose to edit trump and then they are responsible for ALL content in the same manner as other publishers are.

having the best of both worlds isn't a solution that works for all. trying to portray people tired of being censured as "thugs" is self serving and not seeing the issue for what it is.

when you grow up enough, the rules you have to go by change. its how corporations grow up. i watched microsoft do it from inside the company and they one day got big enough to where what they did yesterday was illegal today; so to speak. so they had to alter and change and play by new rules.

to think social media isn't subject to these same rules, frankly, is bullshit.

You don’t know what you’re asking for. You will break the internet by getting what you’re asking for.

For starters, no one edited Trump.

Internet companies need protection from liability now more than ever given the massive volume of posts. Without this protection, Twitter wouldn’t exist in the first place.

maybe it shouldn't. it's basically an RSS feed on steroids anyway. and the TRUMP WILL GET HURT TOO - good. i don't give a flying flipshit about his tweets and think most of the time he does it for a reaction.

very stupid, very juvenile. however i don't go into a rage every time he does something stupid.

also - being an internet company isn't even close to the issue. twitter, facebook and these sites need to declare one of 2 things -
platform
publisher

pick your road and play by those rules.

to date "social media" has had the best of both worlds and never held accountable to crossing boundaries as their will. this sideshow bob of THE INTERNET MUST BE PROTECTED doesn't really have shit to do with what i said.

twitter can exist just fine as one or the other. but they can't keep being both.

Trump will get hurt along with everyone else that uses Twitter. And you'll burn it all down, why? Because you're butt hurt that Twitter put a "fact check" link in his tweet?

Internet companies don’t have to pick between “publisher and platform”. It’s a false dichotomy. The law states they aren’t responsible for content from users and that’s how it should stay if you enjoy user submitted content at all including posting on this site. Section 230 was made because the internet was unique and needed different laws to manage it. Section 230 was written in 1996. It’s responsible for the internet as we know it.

because it's not twitters place to do fact checking.

you and others keep pretending i am in a trump defense mode. far from it. i'm in a "stop tearing up our base rights" mode.

and INTERNET companies do not. social media companies, do. the fact you keep saying something so vastly untrue simply speaks to your overall knowledge of the topic.

if they're not responsible for the content of their users, stop correcting said users. when you do that you are crossing the line as being the authority on the topic OF WHICH, "social media" is far from the authority on accuracy.

you just illustrated the problem. social media can be not held accountable for what their posters post, yet they can correct them AND fact check them AND try to act like the authority on the topic FROM SITES THEY CHOOSE to represent facts they like.

if you don't see a problem here, then our conversation is done and i'm moving on.

The last sentence is pretty telling to me. Do you really end conversations because people don’t agree with you? How boring.

No one asked you what Twitter’s place is. You don’t get to tell anyone what their place is. That’s not you’re right.

The relevant portion of section 230 calls these companies provider of interactive computer service. I said internet companies because the actual phrase is cumbersome. It’s not specific to social media, which didn’t really even exist in 1996 when it was made. I believe I know more about this than you, to be honest. I’ve been interested in this topic for a few years now. Some really good pieces out there explaining how important this is.

So you’re upset that Twitter can include “fact checking” articles and links next to user submitted content? Honestly, that just makes it look like you’re the one opposed to freedom of speech. Twitter is engaging in speech and that’s the problem?

I end conversations because you are not having one. You are projecting your shit on me and acting as if that's OK. If you don't want to talk about things wo a Trump focus, thats on you and fine.

But stop the arrogance that I have to be a part of it. I have zero interest in making every fucking discussion about Trump.

Ergo yes. I end stupid convos.

It feels like you're refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Trump is absolutely central to this story.

No.

Whether or not social media companies can fact check me is.

Like I said, your Trump infatuation isn't my problem.

Bye.

 

[g5000]

Trump has accused Joe Scarborough of having an affair with an intern and then murdering her. And the usual cucks line up to defend Trump, thus demonstrating they have even less decency and self-respect than Trump.

They took a dead innocent women and shit all over her memory. Calling her an adultress and a murder victim. Just to bear false witness against someone who dares to stand up to the Fuhrer.

It just doesn't get any sicker than that, ladies and gentlemen. Trump is beyond despicable. And the submissive snails who suck his cock are even worse.

Trump also retweeted a video which says, "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

Every one of us, including Trump's shit-eating tard herd, know that if Obama had done things like that, they would have all been collectively foaming at the mouth enough to fill an ocean.

I daily wonder how these fucktards can stand their own stench.

 

[iceberg]

I am, I just have a different opinion than you. You're claiming that Twitter is forcing people to accept something. That's not possible. You're saying that they have the ability to shape discussion. That's permissible as it's their platform. Twitter doesn't abandon their rights to their platform.

Yea I'm talking boundaries for social media.

He can't see past Trump's use of it.

BUT IT'S NOT TDS!!!

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

It would not harm Twitter one lick if they banned the lying hatemongering troll Trump from their platform.

But it would certainly send Trump into a frenzy of unrivaled proportions. I'm sifting through the sewage of his Twitter feed and one assumption I've made about the man is 100% true. He has absolutely no interest whatsoever in actually BEING President of the United States. He just wants to run for it constantly. Twitter is a privately held company that can set their own TOS and rules. They are a platform. There was no deleting or editing of the words he typed. Were it me, I'd have kicked his worthless ass out a long time ago.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies

President Trump signs an executive order aimed at limiting the broad legal protections enjoyed by social media companies days after Twitter fact-checked two of his tweets.

www.npr.org

I suppose the First Amendment only limits The Congress to obey the First Amendment, and once again Donald Trump believes he is above the law, even when that law it not statutory, but number one in the Bill of Rights. What next, locking up those who criticize him with no regards to the 4th, 5th and 6th articles in the Bill of Rights?

And Trump’s supporters on the authoritarian right approve of this.

 

[iceberg]

The fucker signed it a couple minutes ago.

This, needs to go through our system. EOs have now obliterated our checksvand balances.

 

[OldLady]

So they become liable for everyone else’s speech on their website because they engaged in their own speech? Sounds putative.

Yes. That's what happens when you start acting like a publisher because certain speech hurts your feel-feels.

There’s about a million things I’d rather do than listen to this doofus for half an hour. I really don’t have much respect for this guy’s honesty or intelligence.

He breaks down the EO.

OR, you can just read the EO. Either way.

.

Section 230 was specifically written to give platforms the ability to act like publishers without assuming liability for every user post.

That was the whole point.

You don’t happen to know where I can find the text of the order? It was only signed a few hours ago and haven’t been able to see a copy. Not sure how Timmy could pump out a video so quick.

A draft has been floating around since yesterday. A lot of places refer to it but didn't publish it.

 

[g5000]

Karma has been bitch-slapping Trump's followers since the day he took office. You'd think someone even as stupid as Trump would learn to change his ways. You'd think the tard herd could muster up enough collective intelligence to wise up.

But they don't. Not a single one of them.

Which tells me a lot. Enough to fill a book.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

He CLEARLY explains the difference between being a platform open to all & a publisher which can control content.

Well done President Trump

Sure, I know what it is....WAHHHHHHH!!!!, they're being mean to me!! They won't let me post lies!! Honestly, what a whiny little bitch. Twitter didn't delete his tweets, didn't alter the words in his tweets (which would be censorship). They slapped a fact check tag on his tweets?..Why?...because they're unsubstantiated claims. So the media empire that basically built, enabled, and then let fester his 2016 campaign is now the enemy? Careful about biting the hand that made you!

I've had 3 posts deleted from Facebook in the last 2 months. No notification. No explanation of and infraction. Just *poof*

That is what a publisher does not an open platform.

And to be CRYSTAL CLEAR I have been calling for Social Media to be regulated for at least a year so it has nothing to docwith Trumps Twitter account. In fact I called for it LONG BEFORE Elizabeth Warren took up the issue during her campaign.

Twitter and Facebook are privately held companies that are allowed to set their own rules and TOS.
Again, Twitter did not delete or alter his tweets. No censorship took place.

Even IF that were a legitimate argument (it is not), they have been banning and deleting posts/tweets they dont agree with for no other reason than politics. They screwed over the wrong person this time.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Trump has accused Joe Scarborough of having an affair with an intern and then murdering her. And the usual cucks line up to defend Trump, thus demonstrating they have even less decency and self-respect than Trump.

They took a dead innocent women and shit all over her memory. Calling her an adultress and a murder victim. Just to bear false witness against someone who dares to stand up to the Fuhrer.

It just doesn't get any sicker than that, ladies and gentlemen. Trump is beyond despicable. And the submissive snails who suck his cock are even worse.

Trump also retweeted a video which says, "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

Every one of us, including Trump's shit-eating tard herd, know that if Obama had done things like that, they would have all been collectively foaming at the mouth enough to fill an ocean.

I daily wonder how these fucktards can stand their own stench.

Same thing the right wingers did with Seth Rich. Same thing Alex Jones did with the survivors of Sandy Hook. They all deserve to be hoist on their own petard.
But no, let's whine bitch, piss, and moan over a privately held social media platform tagging a post for fact check.

 

[g5000]

It would not harm Twitter one lick if they banned the lying hatemongering troll Trump from their platform.

But it would certainly send Trump into a frenzy of unrivaled proportions. I'm sifting through the sewage of his Twitter feed and one assumption I've made about the man is 100% true. He has absolutely no interest whatsoever in actually BEING President of the United States. He just wants to run for it constantly. Twitter is a privately held company that can set their own TOS and rules. They are a platform. There was no deleting or editing of the words he typed. Were it me, I'd have kicked his worthless ass out a long time ago.

If Trump somehow manages to get their status legally changed, they should ban him immediately afterward. Within the hour.

 

[bripat9643]

Gaetz is virtue signaling. His little hissy fit has no chance at doing anything.

Second, if his bill did pass, the result would be the immediate removal of Trump from the platform.

The sole intention of this episode is to intimidate Twitter like the thugs they are.

you lose a lot of cred if you say twitter is being pushed around. they either allow open communication on their platform, trump included, or they choose to edit trump and then they are responsible for ALL content in the same manner as other publishers are.

having the best of both worlds isn't a solution that works for all. trying to portray people tired of being censured as "thugs" is self serving and not seeing the issue for what it is.

when you grow up enough, the rules you have to go by change. its how corporations grow up. i watched microsoft do it from inside the company and they one day got big enough to where what they did yesterday was illegal today; so to speak. so they had to alter and change and play by new rules.

to think social media isn't subject to these same rules, frankly, is bullshit.

You don’t know what you’re asking for. You will break the internet by getting what you’re asking for.

For starters, no one edited Trump.

Internet companies need protection from liability now more than ever given the massive volume of posts. Without this protection, Twitter wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Good. If they don't want to be an impartial observer, then they can go swirling down the toilet, for all I care.

 

[colfax_m]

I’m just telling you the truth and how your desires will destroy the internet.

How so?

The internet meets the definition of a platform.

GOOGLE has blown its platform protections, but GOOGLE is not "the internet."

The internet is a completely open place. Anyone who wants to engage in speech can. I’m not stopping anyone. What you’re demanding is the ability to use Twitter’s property to publish a disseminate speech to their own detriment.

What do you mean? I am not, nor is the POTUS via the EO, demanding ANYTHING.

Twitter is acting like a fucking newspaper (editing content). They get no 230 protections if they act like a newspaper. They can still do their left-wing thought policing all they want. They just don't get to hide behind 230 protections.

It's that fucking simple.

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No one edited Trump’s tweet. They don’t alter tweets. Sometimes they delete them for violating policy.

Thats exactly what 230 was intended to let them do without being subject to liability.

It’s that fucking simple.