GOP Broden: Violent Revolution Is "On the Table"

[Yurt]

Going to war with Iran IS on the table as it should be. US citizens going to war against the United States is TREASON.

in such a case...it is the winners who determine what treason means

according to the english, we were traitors

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants ~ thomas jefferson

i don't think anyone is calling for outright war, rather, saying...should the leaders take away rights and freedoms, perhaps jefferson's centuries old maxim holds true

Perhaps.

But this would entail a violation of our Current Constitution. And it wouldn't be the first time.

no it wouldn't....it would, to the winners, no doubt be defending the constitution, thus....no constitutional violation....and don't forget what is actually required to convict someone for treason....

again, highly unlikely and i hope it never comes to civil war again, but i don't think this guy is talking about taking up arms now....unless you consider obama talking about waging war against iran now

 

[Yurt]

it is the winners who determine what treason means

No, the constitution says what treason means. Once again, the righties show no respect for the constitution whatsoever.

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants

Again, later in his life, after witnessing the horrors of the French Revolution, Jefferson retracted and denounced these words. You need to get over your soundbite mentality.

link to his retraction

and dumbass....if there is a civil revolution, the winners won't be guilty of treason by virture of their claim that they defended teh constitution

think before you type

Think before you advocate an action that would break apart this nation, and relegate the peices to third world status.

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what i have advocated? nothing....

but i do note that you support someone taking over our government and turning it into a dictatorship, because any armed action to counter that would turn us into a third world nation

try thinking before you type

 

[Sallow]

That was a sum total of deaths by Lenin, Mao, Hitler, and Stalin. Lenin's ignorance of agriculture caused famine in the order of about 7M deaths in 1918. Wasn't comparing any of our leaders to those dictators because I agree with you...only a fool would make a comparsion of such. However, one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule. Again, that's not a comparison.

Dismiss what? What was FDR going to do..attack an ally? How well do you think that would have gone with the rest of the world.

No, he didn't have to attack. He could have refused to acquiesce and Stalin wouldn't have done a damn thing.

This is sort of naive.

The world was in shambles..and the work of putting it right had to be divided among the allies. There was no way Europe and America could have paid for the whole thing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you rightwingers revolt and establish a new government, it will have to be an undemocratic one if you want to sustain your agenda, because if you set up one that is democratic, i.e., that supports the will of the people,

you'll end up right back where we are,

because most Americans don't agree with your agenda.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Dismiss what? What was FDR going to do..attack an ally? How well do you think that would have gone with the rest of the world.

No, he didn't have to attack. He could have refused to acquiesce and Stalin wouldn't have done a damn thing.

This is sort of naive.

The world was in shambles..and the work of putting it right had to be divided among the allies. There was no way Europe and America could have paid for the whole thing.

Naive...not really. World in shambles....no disagreement there. However, FDR denied a 6 billion dollar loan to Stalin right after the war, money that could have been used for E Europe. It didn't take but a year or two before Russia started consolidating its grip on its new spoils, Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania and then Czech. Funding the reconstruction of those countries would have been a spit in the bucket and would have redesignated geographical lines/border along Eastern Europe/Russia. Fast forward to 1949 and NATO is borne out of renewed European fears of Russian aggression......aggression that could have been stopped if Eastern Europe hadn't been thrown under the bus.

 

[Sallow]

No, he didn't have to attack. He could have refused to acquiesce and Stalin wouldn't have done a damn thing.

This is sort of naive.

The world was in shambles..and the work of putting it right had to be divided among the allies. There was no way Europe and America could have paid for the whole thing.

Naive...not really. World in shambles....no disagreement there. However, FDR denied a 6 billion dollar loan to Stalin right after the war, money that could have been used for E Europe. It didn't take but a year or two before Russia started consolidating its grip on its new spoils, Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania and then Czech. Funding the reconstruction of those countries would have been a spit in the bucket and would have redesignated geographical lines/border along Eastern Europe/Russia. Fast forward to 1949 and NATO is borne out of renewed European fears of Russian aggression......aggression that could have been stopped if Eastern Europe hadn't been thrown under the bus.

Hmm..you think it was all wine and roses for the countries the Allies got? Think the Vietnamese were happy? The Koreans? The Filipinoes? Africa? The Middle East? Germany?

Gosh..there were messes all over the place. It took lots of time to sort out..and lots of difficulty.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is sort of naive.

The world was in shambles..and the work of putting it right had to be divided among the allies. There was no way Europe and America could have paid for the whole thing.

Naive...not really. World in shambles....no disagreement there. However, FDR denied a 6 billion dollar loan to Stalin right after the war, money that could have been used for E Europe. It didn't take but a year or two before Russia started consolidating its grip on its new spoils, Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania and then Czech. Funding the reconstruction of those countries would have been a spit in the bucket and would have redesignated geographical lines/border along Eastern Europe/Russia. Fast forward to 1949 and NATO is borne out of renewed European fears of Russian aggression......aggression that could have been stopped if Eastern Europe hadn't been thrown under the bus.

Hmm..you think it was all wine and roses for the countries the Allies got? Think the Vietnamese were happy? The Koreans? The Filipinoes? Africa? The Middle East? Germany?

Gosh..there were messes all over the place. It took lots of time to sort out..and lots of difficulty.

Oh of course not. It was the biggest shitpile the world had ever seen. I'm just saying a little more consideration should have been given as to the future of the European continent besides just taking the easy out and ceding them off to a communist country.

 

[LiberalNut]

Lord, you've got to be kidding. What are you advocating that FDR and Churchill should have done in the face of 160 divisions? Revere advocated nuking. Are you that far gone? If not that, what? What exactly was gonna get Poland, Romania or Czechoslovakia away from the Russians?

 

[USArmyRetired]

Lord, you've got to be kidding. What are you advocating that FDR and Churchill should have done in the face of 160 divisions? Revere advocated nuking. Are you that far gone? If not that, what? What exactly was gonna get Poland, Romania or Czechoslovakia away from the Russians?

We should have listened to Patton and gone after the Russians. He knew they would be a problem.

 

[Queen]

Yes, republicans are terrified if every little thing. FOX is scaring the hell out of them. When people are shaking in fear this way, they become violent. This crazy Republican Tea Party candidate (because now they are one and the same) is in danger of being elected. And the other one who calls for second amendment remedies. The cons are becoming unhinged.

 

[Sallow]

Lord, you've got to be kidding. What are you advocating that FDR and Churchill should have done in the face of 160 divisions? Revere advocated nuking. Are you that far gone? If not that, what? What exactly was gonna get Poland, Romania or Czechoslovakia away from the Russians?

We should have listened to Patton and gone after the Russians. He knew they would be a problem.

 

[LiberalNut]

We should have listened to Patton and gone after the Russians.

And done what exactly? Marched 42 divisions head on into 160?

Suicide.

 

[Sallow]

You go Patton.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85zrgHPmn5A[/ame]

 

[USArmyRetired]

We should have listened to Patton and gone after the Russians.

And done what exactly? Marched 42 divisions head on into 160?

Suicide.

You're thinking of Armored Divisions only. You forget our air power and adding B-29s from the Pacific would have decimated the soviets.

 

[LiberalNut]

Umm, the war in the pacific wasn't over yet and the Russians had ample fighters to turn back our strategic bombers anyway.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Umm, the war in the pacific wasn't over yet and the Russians had ample fighters to turn back our strategic bombers anyway.

Sorry but we had overwhelming numbers of Thunderbolts, Mustangs and Lightnings which the Yak was no match for. We would have prevailed.

 

[Sallow]

Umm, the war in the pacific wasn't over yet and the Russians had ample fighters to turn back our strategic bombers anyway.

Sorry but we had overwhelming numbers of Thunderbolts, Mustangs and Lightnings which the Yak was no match for. We would have prevailed.

Yeah..like every other army that's gone up against the Russians..

On their home turf.

Oh wait.

 

[liebuster]

If you rightwingers revolt and establish a new government, it will have to be an undemocratic one if you want to sustain your agenda, because if you set up one that is democratic, i.e., that supports the will of the people,

you'll end up right back where we are,

because most Americans don't agree with your agenda.

The will of the people should not always be followed. What if the will of the people were to kill all people with user names of "NYcarbineer"?

The founders established a constitutional republic to protect the minority's rights. We are not a mob rules nation. We abide by the rule of law....At least were supposed too.

As for your claim of most Americans not agreeing with our agenda I give you this. It may not be a majority but it is certainly alot more that agree with you.
"Conservatives" Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

Keep in mind that through out the history of human society all governments fail and they usually fail in a violent way. I'm not advocating anything but that is the truth. So violent revolution is always on the table..... To not be, would be changing the habit of human history.....

 

[USArmyRetired]

Umm, the war in the pacific wasn't over yet and the Russians had ample fighters to turn back our strategic bombers anyway.

Sorry but we had overwhelming numbers of Thunderbolts, Mustangs and Lightnings which the Yak was no match for. We would have prevailed.

Yeah..like every other army that's gone up against the Russians..

On their home turf.

Oh wait.

Your forgetting that Hitler whipped the Soviets but he had a logistic problem with Winter (as his Field Marshals warned) as well as fighting the British. The US wouldn't have had that problem.

 

[liebuster]

Umm, the war in the pacific wasn't over yet and the Russians had ample fighters to turn back our strategic bombers anyway.

Sorry but we had overwhelming numbers of Thunderbolts, Mustangs and Lightnings which the Yak was no match for. We would have prevailed.

Got to disagree with you. It could have been done... MAYBE. But Russia is a HUGE country with a lot of people that were willing to die for the motherland. We may have had more planes but they had better tanks with the sloping armor. We had the "greatest battle implement ever designed"(M1 Garand) but they had a crap load of Mosin Nagants. They also had a lot of oil as well on their own land. We just got done destroying all of "our" oil through europe.

It could have been done... MAYBE!!!!