GOP Broden: Violent Revolution Is "On the Table"

[LiberalNut]

I can't believe any government body would certify this asshat to teach history to anyone.

Believe it. When i took Praxis with about 25,000 other would be history teachers, I scored the highest in the nation. There might have been ties but nobody scored higher.

 

[LiberalNut]

We had them and delivered them only months later.

The Russians were at the Elbe in March. By August, the earliest we could have deployed the bomb, they could have been dancing in Lisbon.

 

[Sallow]

Ah yes, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao can be attributed to approximately 100 million deaths which came in the form of purges, lethal gulags, fatal deportations, man made famines, genocides, and of course, cold blooded murder.

FDR, Stalin, and Churchill quickly carved up Central and Eastern Europe in the Yalta Agreement after WW2 and placed several countries, that were previously free, into communist rule under Stalin.

Lenin..no. He was basically dead well before any of that happened.

Hitler - Worst of the bunch..was a vile, evil and incredibly efficient killer of human beings.

Stalin - Lots of purges and gulags. Brutal guy but most death attributable to gross mismanagement.

Mao - Responsible for the purges of wealthy landowners and basically gave farms to inexperienced high school kids. That..was the cause of one of the biggest famines in history.

None of these guys even remotely resembles any..and I mean any US president, senator, judge or congressmen.

That was a sum total of deaths by Lenin, Mao, Hitler, and Stalin. Lenin's ignorance of agriculture caused famine in the order of about 7M deaths in 1918. Wasn't comparing any of our leaders to those dictators because I agree with you...only a fool would make a comparsion of such. However, one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule. Again, that's not a comparison.

Dismiss what? What was FDR going to do..attack an ally? How well do you think that would have gone with the rest of the world.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I can't believe any government body would certify this asshat to teach history to anyone.

Believe it. When i took Prexus with about 25,000 other would be history teachers, I scored the highest in the nation. There might have been ties but nobody scored higher.

Then it shouldn't be too hard to figure out the quote function, huh?

 

[Missourian]

It wouldn't be a few million however since it would be much easier to just use the ballot box before such a thing matasticized.

This I agree with...as long as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, I can foresee no conflict that cannot be mediated within it's framework.

My argument is a 100% hypothetical exersice.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Come on man

Nice comeback! You have actual facts here, a reputable source? I didn't think so.

******* Truman didn't know about the Manhattan project but you want me to believe Stalin did?

Yeah, riiiight.

Good Lord man!!!! Haven't you ever heard of the Rosenbergs? They were in on the espionage too. Hell, google <doe, manhattan project, espionage>. I learned this stuff back in high school.

 

[LiberalNut]

as long as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land

As you know, this is what we swore to support and defend. If the government in Washington were in fact outside the bounds of the Constitution, the armed forces, or much of it, would turn. I know I would.

Then you have real civil war.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Come on man

Nice comeback! You have actual facts here, a reputable source? I didn't think so.

******* Truman didn't know about the Manhattan project but you want me to believe Stalin did?

Yeah, riiiight.

Believe it, oh master of all history.

The USSR and the U.S. became allies during World War II, after Nazi Germany's surprise attack on the USSR in 1941, but the U.S. government was highly suspicious of Joseph Stalin's long-term intentions. Therefore the Americans did not share information or seek assistance from the Soviet Union for the Manhattan Project. However, the Soviets were aware of the project as a result of espionage penetration of the U.S. government and made a number of attempts to infiltrate its operations at the University of California, Berkeley.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lenin..no. He was basically dead well before any of that happened.

Hitler - Worst of the bunch..was a vile, evil and incredibly efficient killer of human beings.

Stalin - Lots of purges and gulags. Brutal guy but most death attributable to gross mismanagement.

Mao - Responsible for the purges of wealthy landowners and basically gave farms to inexperienced high school kids. That..was the cause of one of the biggest famines in history.

None of these guys even remotely resembles any..and I mean any US president, senator, judge or congressmen.

That was a sum total of deaths by Lenin, Mao, Hitler, and Stalin. Lenin's ignorance of agriculture caused famine in the order of about 7M deaths in 1918. Wasn't comparing any of our leaders to those dictators because I agree with you...only a fool would make a comparsion of such. However, one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule. Again, that's not a comparison.

Dismiss what? What was FDR going to do..attack an ally? How well do you think that would have gone with the rest of the world.

No, he didn't have to attack. He could have refused to acquiesce and Stalin wouldn't have done a damn thing.

 

[LiberalNut]

Haven't you ever heard of the Rosenbergs?

Of course but they were bit players that didn't know enough about nukes to be useful. They didn't really know what was going on at Los Alamos and the stuff they did send to Russia was worthless. The Russians got the information to build the bomb, and the information about the state of America's nuclear preparedness from Klaus Fuchs in 1948.

In any case, even the best estimates, those that give the most creedence to the value of information obtained from espionage, only allow for that information to have sped up the Russian bomb by 12-18 months. At no time did the soviets know that the US had a deployable bomb until one was popped over Hiroshima.

 

[Yurt]

Don't ding ding salivate on this one, Pavlov.

Broden is an angry black guy, not an angry white guy.

No red meat for MSNBC here.

lol...i thought we had only angry white guys

 

[Yurt]

btw...obama has going to war with iran on the table....

this must mean that obama IS going to go to war as the op author suggests "on the table" means

 

[LiberalNut]

Going to war with Iran IS on the table as it should be. US citizens going to war against the United States is TREASON.

 

[LiberalNut]

Then it shouldn't be too hard to figure out the quote function, huh?

Screw the quote function. It takes too much time and it makes the posts look ugly, especially the lazy asses that just quote the entire post.

 

[Yurt]

Going to war with Iran IS on the table as it should be. US citizens going to war against the United States is TREASON.

in such a case...it is the winners who determine what treason means

according to the english, we were traitors

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants ~ thomas jefferson

i don't think anyone is calling for outright war, rather, saying...should the leaders take away rights and freedoms, perhaps jefferson's centuries old maxim holds true

 

[LiberalNut]

it is the winners who determine what treason means

No, the constitution says what treason means. Once again, the righties show no respect for the constitution whatsoever.

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants

Again, later in his life, after witnessing the horrors of the French Revolution, Jefferson retracted and denounced these words. You need to get over your soundbite mentality.

 

[Sallow]

Going to war with Iran IS on the table as it should be. US citizens going to war against the United States is TREASON.

in such a case...it is the winners who determine what treason means

according to the english, we were traitors

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants ~ thomas jefferson

i don't think anyone is calling for outright war, rather, saying...should the leaders take away rights and freedoms, perhaps jefferson's centuries old maxim holds true

Perhaps.

But this would entail a violation of our Current Constitution. And it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Yurt]

it is the winners who determine what treason means

No, the constitution says what treason means. Once again, the righties show no respect for the constitution whatsoever.

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants

Again, later in his life, after witnessing the horrors of the French Revolution, Jefferson retracted and denounced these words. You need to get over your soundbite mentality.

link to his retraction

and dumbass....if there is a civil revolution, the winners won't be guilty of treason by virture of their claim that they defended teh constitution

think before you type

 

[Old Rocks]

We had one violent revolution, and it turned out well. Given what we have seen in the past 400 years of history in the world, that was against all odds. We had a real revolution in the '60s, and another one in the '30s. Those are the kind of revolutions that we need to replicate, not those like the ones that overthrew the monarchy in France, or the French in Haiti.

 

[Old Rocks]

it is the winners who determine what treason means

No, the constitution says what treason means. Once again, the righties show no respect for the constitution whatsoever.

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants

Again, later in his life, after witnessing the horrors of the French Revolution, Jefferson retracted and denounced these words. You need to get over your soundbite mentality.

link to his retraction

and dumbass....if there is a civil revolution, the winners won't be guilty of treason by virture of their claim that they defended teh constitution

think before you type

Think before you advocate an action that would break apart this nation, and relegate the peices to third world status.