GOP Broden: Violent Revolution Is "On the Table"

[LordBrownTrout]

FDR, Stalin, and Churchill quickly carved up Central and Eastern Europe in the Yalta Agreement after WW2 and placed several countries, that were previously free, into communist rule under Stalin.

Umm there was a reality on the ground that pretty much dictated what was going to happen in the form of some 160 Russian divisions, half of them armoured, occupying Eastern Europe. Churchill and FDR saw this reality long before the end of the war. Churchill's sentiment..."half of Europe is better than none".

In return for that land the Western Allies got to fight the miniscule minority of the German Army. Nothing against those guys who hit the beaches at Normandy who I admire to no end but the Western Front was the sideshow of the war in Europe. The real war happened on the Eastern Front. From the Russian perspective, they paid for that land with over 20 million dead. Try to wrap you mind around that for a second...over 20 million dead.

No sane person can wrap their mind around those numbers. No sane person can wrap their mind around the number of Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, people of economic status, kulaks, that were murdered under Stalin's rule either. Yes, he should have been shot in 41.

 

[Missourian]

That's a deflection

Your whole line of bullshit is a deflection. Could these idiots reduce themselves to terrorism and pop a bomb on some innocent civilians once in awhile? Yeah, they could and they do. Can they overthrow the United States Government? No ******* way. BTW, the Americans didn't overthrow George III either.

I have never been under fire other than in training and if I die without ever firing a shot in anger, I'll die happy.

Then you're an intelligent man. I had to learn that lesson by actually going to war. The jackasses squawking about treason however, they aren't as smart as you are.

How about you?

I did two TDYs in Saudi Arabia in 1991 and 1993. I was there at the tail end of Desert Storm. I was one of the idiots who wanted to keep going to Baghdad. You live, you learn.

I commend your service, but I still disagree.

If those weapons were of no use there, they will be no use here.

That was the thrust of your argument...bombs, tanks, and aircraft.

 

[Revere]

one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule.

And what do you suggest he should have done? If they had wanted to, the Red Army could have marched all the way to Portugal in 1945 and the American and British troops would have been little more than a speed bump.

Bullshit. They would not have had the complicity of Western Europeans who would not view them as liberators as they were in the eastern states of the USSR which were taken by Germany and held for much of the war.

Most of the Red Army's capital was spent just recapturing its own satellite states. It only had to blast through Poland to get to Germany.

 

[LiberalNut]

Well Missourian, you can disagree but the facts are what they are. The Iraqi insurgency, as painful to watch as it was, was militarilly insignificant. They never came anywhere near overthrowing our puppet government in Bagdhad.

And, of course, this isn't Iraq. It's the USA. These idiots would have to be so far underground that they'd have wear flashlights on their heads. The full force of the military and law enforcement agents would be constantly trying to smoke them out. they'd go down in less than a couple of months.

 

[Revere]

There goes the chickenhawk...shoot blanks at middle easterners....use real bullets on Americans.

Pol Pot could not have said it better.

He could have shown Obama a thing or two about slaughtering his political opposition.

 

[Revere]

Lefties really are totalitarians, aren't they?

 

[LiberalNut]

They would not have had the complicity of Western Europeans

Who gives a ****? Neither did the Nazis. The Red Army was on the ground, at the Elbe and they could have continued, no problem. They had 5 times our numbers of tanks and theirs were better. They had 4 times our infantry. They had twice as many fighters.

We would have been a speed bump.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule.

And what do you suggest he should have done? If they had wanted to, the Red Army could have marched all the way to Portugal in 1945 and the American and British troops would have been little more than a speed bump.

That's highly doubtful since Soviet spies were reporting to Stalin that Openheimer was about to finish up on the atomic bomb. It was more of a bluff charge by Stalin in which FDR relented. Stalin was in no condition to keep marching west.

 

[Revere]

The Nazis were fresh and well armed at the start of the war. At the end of the war the Red Army was as beat up as any of the other allies, and was in the stone age in terms of armaments.

The allies invented their best stuff at the end of the war that they never used in either theatre. One or two nukes on the USSR would have stopped everything, since the USSR hadn't stolen the bomb yet.

FDR was at the end of his life and really did not have any problem with the notion of sharing the world with totalatiarians whose politics more resembled his.

 

[Revere]

one can't dismiss FDR's complicit agreement with Stalin to cede Eastern Europe to communist rule.

And what do you suggest he should have done? If they had wanted to, the Red Army could have marched all the way to Portugal in 1945 and the American and British troops would have been little more than a speed bump.

That's highly doubtful since Soviet spies were reporting to Stalin that Openheimer was about to finish up on the atomic bomb. It was more of a bluff charge by Stalin in which FDR relented. Stalin was in no condition to keep marching west.

I have to find whose sock that doofus is. I'm getting close.

 

[LiberalNut]

Soviet spies were reporting to Stalin that Openheimer was about to finish up on the atomic bomb.

Bullshit. Stalin knew nothing of the bomb till august, 1945 when we popped it over Hiroshima.

Stalin was in no condition to keep marching west.

Nonsense. The men and equipment were there, in fine shape. The troops were fed and fit.

 

[Revere]

Soviet spies were reporting to Stalin that Openheimer was about to finish up on the atomic bomb.

Bullshit. Stalin knew nothing of the bomb till august, 1945 when we popped it over Hiroshima.

Stalin was in no condition to keep marching west.

Nonsense. The men and equipment were there, in fine shape. The troops were fed and fit.

They had no armaments even close to the types being produced by the allies.

 

[LiberalNut]

The Nazis were fresh and well armed at the start of the war.

Compared to the Red army that stood at the Elbe, the german army of 1940 were a bunch of pussies.

was in the stone age in terms of armaments.

Absolute rubbish. Their tanks were better, much better. Their fighters were slightly inferior but they had tons of 'em. Their infantry was tough and battle hardened.

One or two nukes on the USSR would have stopped everything

But we didn't have them.

Your stuff on FDR is a bunch of absolute bullshit. As usual, you know nothing and you don't care to know anything.

 

[Missourian]

Well Missourian, you can disagree but the facts are what they are. The Iraqi insurgency, as painful to watch as it was, was militarilly insignificant. They never came anywhere near overthrowing our puppet government in Bagdhad.

Couldn't have been that insignificant...the Democrats told us...and I quote..."the war is lost".

And, of course, this isn't Iraq. It's the USA. These idiots would have to be so far underground that they'd have wear flashlights on their heads. The full force of the military and law enforcement agents would be constantly trying to smoke them out. they'd go down in less than a couple of months.

Depends on the size of the rebellion...if it's a few thousand, I agree with you...if it's a few million, the Feds could lose...especially if the cause the Rebels choose to fight for is popular with the majority of Americans and the Feds either choose to or are maneuvered into drawing first blood.

A lot of factors would be evolved in the eventual victor, especially the size of the opposition...and to make a blanket statement that any rebellion is automatically doomed is fallacious.





But for now, any rebellion will have to wait, the Giants/Phillies game is on.

 

[Revere]

The Nazis were fresh and well armed at the start of the war.

Compared to the Red army that stood at the Elbe, the german army of 1940 were a bunch of pussies.

was in the stone age in terms of armaments.

Absolute rubbish. Their tanks were better, much better. Their fighters were slightly inferior but they had tons of 'em. Their infantry was tough and battle hardened.

One or two nukes on the USSR would have stopped everything

But we didn't have them.

Your stuff on FDR is a bunch of absolute bullshit. As usual, you know nothing and you don't care to know anything.

We had them and delivered them only months later. If Stalin had turned his guns on us, Truman would not have hesitated to use them.

FDR was at the end of his life and wanted a US that worked a lot more like Stalin's country than his own.

 

[Revere]

The Nazis were fresh and well armed at the start of the war.

Compared to the Red army that stood at the Elbe, the german army of 1940 were a bunch of pussies.

was in the stone age in terms of armaments.

Absolute rubbish. Their tanks were better, much better. Their fighters were slightly inferior but they had tons of 'em. Their infantry was tough and battle hardened.

One or two nukes on the USSR would have stopped everything

But we didn't have them.

Your stuff on FDR is a bunch of absolute bullshit. As usual, you know nothing and you don't care to know anything.

More sock clues...

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Soviet spies were reporting to Stalin that Openheimer was about to finish up on the atomic bomb.

Bullshit. Stalin knew nothing of the bomb till august, 1945 when we popped it over Hiroshima.

Stalin was in no condition to keep marching west.

Nonsense. The men and equipment were there, in fine shape. The troops were fed and fit.

Come on man, Soviet spies knew of the creation of the Manhattan Engineering District even before it was in operation. The Soviets had informants passing off sensitive info at the Rad Lab at Berkeley in 1944. They knew what was up.

 

[LiberalNut]

if it's a few million

Then they can't hide and the armed forces shreds them in short order. It wouldn't be a few million however since it would be much easier to just use the ballot box before such a thing matasticized.

 

[Revere]

I can't believe any government body would certify this asshat to teach history to anyone.

 

[LiberalNut]

Come on man

Nice comeback! You have actual facts here, a reputable source? I didn't think so.

******* Truman didn't know about the Manhattan project but you want me to believe Stalin did?

Yeah, riiiight.