Goodbye Proud Boys

[Correll]

The laws in question stipulate unlimited punitive damages, therefore the fine is consistent with that. Nothing tyrannical there.

They allow unlimited punitive damages, not require it. That was to help fight back against the mass murdering KKK, as you pointed out.

Slamming someone with a 2 million dollar fine for destroying a banner, is not just, it is simply using the poiwer of the state against your political enemies.

The fine reflects the gravity of the crime not the market price of the destroyed sign.

No, it doesn't. The destruction of the banner, the gavity of that, the crime should have been a few hundred dollars, or maybe at most, some community service. That would have been just. Assuming that the case is as one sided as it has been presented.

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Finally I also do not care, I have no sympathy for bigoted grown men who terrorize black people inside a church and vandalize the church, none, they are scum, racist filth and nobody should be defending them.

Which is really just you agreeing with me. YOu have a negative opinion of them, based on political issues, and thus you support them being punished unjustly and massively for a minor crime of vandalism.

If you don't support civil rights for everyone, then you don't support civil rights.

It is easy to support the rights of people you like. The test is supporting the civil rights of people you hate.


Americans used to know that. Liberals used to shout that from the barricades. Now those libs are dead of old age, and their children are supporting oppression of their political enemies.

 

[Correll]

The court disagrees with your opinion. You will live with it.

Your inability to address my points, is your admission that you know I am right.


Two million for a paper banner, is not justice, it is oppression.


You are supporting oppression.


You sure you want to do that, with the way things are going? Is this really a time for you lefties to be playing hardball?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They allow unlimited punitive damages, not require it. That was to help fight back against the mass murdering KKK, as you pointed out.

I don't think I or anyone said anything about "required".

Slamming someone with a 2 million dollar fine for destroying a banner, is not just, it is simply using the poiwer of the state against your political enemies.

It wasn't "someone" the Proud Boys are a corporation.

No, it doesn't. The destruction of the banner, the gavity of that, the crime should have been a few hundred dollars, or maybe at most, some community service. That would have been just. Assuming that the case is as one sided as it has been presented.

If the fine were a few hundred dollars then how does that discourage repetition? copycat attacks?

Which is really just you agreeing with me. YOu have a negative opinion of them, based on political issues, and thus you support them being punished unjustly and massively for a minor crime of vandalism.

I have a negative opinion based on their documented history which I advise you familiarize yourself with before rushing to their defense. The crime was not vandalism though.

If you don't support civil rights for everyone, then you don't support civil rights.

Yes, I agree with that statement.

It is easy to support the rights of people you like. The test is supporting the civil rights of people you hate.

It's not a civil right to terrorize black people though, it used to be but that was decades ago.

Americans used to know that. Liberals used to shout that from the barricades. Now those libs are dead of old age, and their children are supporting oppression of their political enemies.

I thought we were discussing a crime and its penalties, but I see you want to discuss politics, you have an agenda don't you...

Proud Boys memo reveals meticulous planning for ‘street-level violence’

Document of 23 pages shows the lengths to which the far-right group goes to prepare for potentially violent encounters and exposes the militaristic structure and language it has adopted

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here is the Proud Boys planning document drafted by the organization:

Proud Boys NYC Planning Document

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Actor Profile: Proud Boys

The Proud Boys are one of the most violent far-right groups in the country.

acleddata.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Proud Boys are a dangerous 'white supremacist' group say US agencies

Law enforcement have shown concerns about the group’s menace to minority groups and police officers, and its conspiracy theories

www.theguardian.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your inability to address my points, is your admission that you know I am right.


Two million for a paper banner, is not justice, it is oppression.


You are supporting oppression.


You sure you want to do that, with the way things are going? Is this really a time for you lefties to be playing hardball?

You have no point other than you disagree. So what.

 

[0311]

I addressed the topic of the op. And your position on it. Instead of responding to my obviously correct point, that 2 million dollars is not a just punishment for tearing up a banner,

you change the subject.


That is you admitting that you cannot defend your support of this clearly unjust action by the courts.

You are supporting it, because it is political oppression of your political enemies.

That is tryanny. You are doing tryanny in real time, right here.

Like all Insurrectionists, you the judgement of court is excessive based solely on your interpretation of the events that happened that dayThe Proud Punks desecrated a church, a BLACK CHURCH, so of course view judgement to wrong. It NOT up to you decide amounts of judgement handed down. These WHITE MEN, they had every right desecrate the church. Now on the other hand if a group BLACK MEN desecrated a WHITE CHURCH it would much different Then YOU would be demanding more money. The judge in this case handed down what he considered fair award. Suck it buttercup.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Like all Insurrectionists, you the judgement of court is excessive based solely on your interpretation of the events that happened that. The Proud Punks desecrated a church, a BLACK CHURCH, so of course view judgement to wrong. It NOT up to you decide amounts of judgement handed down. These WHITE MEN, they had every right desecrate the church. Now on the other hand if a group BLACK MEN desecrated a WHITE CHURCH it would much different Then YOU would be demanding more money. The judge in this case handed down what he considered fair award. Suck it buttercup.

The law allows it, buttercup. If it had been a black group doing it to a white church, you would have burned the black section to the ground.

Do not defend the Proud Pukes ever again, Correll.

Have you just got out of jail? What were you in for.

 

[Correll]

Rational and "Lefty" don't mix. Screaming ,chanting ,and rioting id their bag.

True that.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rational and "Lefty" don't mix. Screaming ,chanting ,and rioting id their bag.

Correll: True that.

 

[Correll]

I don't think I or anyone said anything about "required".

You didn't say it, but you are acting like it. You see "unlimited" and using that to justify a two million dollar punishment for a banner.

Thus, my counter point, that it was NOT required, so your justification is simply not true.

It wasn't "someone" the Proud Boys are a corporation.

Wow. That really justifies the two million dollar fine, for the destruction of a banner.

If the fine were a few hundred dollars then how does that discourage repetition? copycat attacks?

Your goal is not to discourage repetition, it is just to destroy your enemies. Have the moral courage to admit it.

I have a negative opinion based on their documented history which I advise you familiarize yourself with before rushing to their defense. The crime was not vandalism though.

You can stop trying to rephrase the point to avoid addressing it.

You have a POLITICAL PROBLEM with them, and thus you support the use of state power against them. That is what your this is about. The dems using their state power against their political enemies.

Historically, such behavior is common in oppressive tryannies.

Yes, I agree with that statement.

Yet, you support an clearly political court punishment against a political organization.

It's not a civil right to terrorize black people though, it used to be but that was decades ago.

I didn't make any argument that it was, and it was shitty of you to pretend that I did.

Such behavior is common well libs lose an argument, as you are doing.


Your support of this absurd punishment for the destruction of a banner, is clearly you supporting the violation of the civil rights of your political enemies, the Proud Boys.

I thought we were discussing a crime and its penalties, but I see you want to discuss politics, you have an agenda don't you...
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This issue isn't about the crime, it is about the way that the dems, with your support, used it as a justification to bring the power of the state down against their political enemies.

Please stop pretending to not get that, and address the point.

Defend your position in this issue, if you can.

 

[Dr.Know]

PROUD BOYS = FBI

 

[Correll]

You have no point other than you disagree. So what.

That is simply not true.

I have pointed out, correctly that this level of punishment does not fit the crime.

Thus, what we have here, is a violation of the rights of the accused.

That the libs in the thread, are all supportive of this clear act of oppression,

is them revealing just how much they really care about civil rights,

which is not at all.

 

[Correll]

Like all Insurrectionists, you the judgement of court is excessive based solely on your interpretation of the events that happened that dayThe Proud Punks desecrated a church, a BLACK CHURCH, so of course view judgement to wrong. It NOT up to you decide amounts of judgement handed down. These WHITE MEN, they had every right desecrate the church. Now on the other hand if a group BLACK MEN desecrated a WHITE CHURCH it would much different Then YOU would be demanding more money. The judge in this case handed down what he considered fair award. Suck it buttercup.

Well, yes, my judgement of the "events of that day" are baded solely on the events of that day.

The accused Proud Boys have the RIGHT to have their case tried, based solely on that.

Your desire to make a political statement though the verdict, to use the court ruling as a tool to fight against your political enemy,

is a violation of their rights.


They have a right to be judged, based on their actions, not your politically motivated opposition to their beliefs.

 

[Correll]

Correll: True that.

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Well, yes, we did have one riot. But that doesn't define the maga movement.


Not like the universal behavior of the left today, does define them.

Your inability to craft a supporting argument, at all, for your support of this clear violation of the civil rights of the proud boys,

is a good example of what we were talking about. You can't do logic. At all.

 

[0311]

PROUD BOYS = FBI

Dr. Know = Dumb.

The Proud Punks are a terrorist organization and deserve to be treated as such. Take them to court and sue then out of existence. Their leader is Afro-Cuban. Hardly 'White" kind of man. It worked ******* the ******* Klan (I ******* hat the ******* Klan).

 

[0311]

Well, yes, my judgement of the "events of that day" are baded solely on the events of that day.

The accused Proud Boys have the RIGHT to have their case tried, based solely on that.

Your desire to make a political statement though the verdict, to use the court ruling as a tool to fight against your political enemy,

is a violation of their rights.


They have a right to be judged, based on their actions, not your politically motivated opposition to their beliefs.

It ain't your decision to make, it was the judge. **** Off you traitorous insurrectionist asshole!

 

[Correll]

Dr. Know = Dumb.

The Proud Punks are a terrorist organization and deserve to be treated as such. Take them to court and sue then out of existence. Their leader is Afro-Cuban. Hardly 'White" kind of man. It worked ******* the ******* Klan (I ******* hat the ******* Klan).

The "Terror" of the Proud Boys, is limited to a church banner and some involvement in the 1/6 riot.

That is not justification to call a group, "terrorist".