Good Enough For Nixon?

Well actually, no Reagan never took responsibility for Iran Contra.

First he lied and said it never happened, THEN he admitted to it happening but said he wasn't involved.

Wrong. Reagan was unaware what his underlings were up to. Once he found out he did what actual leaders do and assumed responsibility for the actions of those under him.
You'll never see that kind of integrity from this admin.



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R67CH-qhXJs
 
Yes they are dumbshit. The Democrats in the House and Senate are stopping it. If they treated Obama the same way they treated Nixon he would be gone. BUt he gets a pass since he's the first black president. Isn't that racist?

ah its the left's fault....didnt see that coming.....from a mile away....

Do you deny the Democrats are going to block impeachment/removal?

Democrats don't have the votes to stop an impeachment.

Unless you get some evidence against the President(you know like what they had against Nixon), a conviction isn't likely in the Senate even with Roberts as the judge.

Hell the Do Nothing Congress has nothing better to do might as well........
 
The president failed to carry out the oath of office, faithfully discharging the laws of the United States. He failed to enforce DOMA. He failed to enforce immigration law. He failed to implement Obamacare. On numerous occasions he indicated he would not enforce some provision of other.
He obstructed justice in the IRS scandal. He violated the law in the Bowe Bergdahl scandal.
That is not his purview. That is a violation of separation of powers. That is a high crime and misdemeanor exactly equivalent to what Nixon did.

RIGHT WING GARBAGE, AGAIN. I'm shocked


Don't know what executive branch does huh?




"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...

Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Frank Gomez

13.. Donald Fortier

Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...

Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.

Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.

Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer

Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers

Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned.





1 Iran-Contra Affair
2 Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging
3 Lobbying scandal
4 EPA scandals
5 Inslaw Affair
6 Savings & loan crisis
7 Debategate

Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



THOSE WERE REAL SCANDALS BUBBA!

You're unwittingly making the point perfectly. All of those whom you mentioned were scrutinized and/or convicted.
Meanwhile, as this current admin wallows in way more significant corruption, demise and ineptitude, not a single crony has had to deal with anything and barely any media coverage.
What's more, Reagan publicly acknowledged and took responsibility for Iran/Contra while this current hack assumes no responsibility for any wrongdoing. He only tries to take credit for whatever makes him look better.

You meant BEFORE Bush handed out the pardons right?

Now despite right wing myths, WHAT is Obama supposed to have done? You saying the conservatives/GOPers can do ANYTHING against someone who has supposedly broken laws, as SOOOOOOO many under Reagan did?
 
RIGHT WING GARBAGE, AGAIN. I'm shocked


Don't know what executive branch does huh?




"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...

Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Frank Gomez

13.. Donald Fortier

Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...

Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.

Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.

Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer

Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers

Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned.





1 Iran-Contra Affair
2 Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging
3 Lobbying scandal
4 EPA scandals
5 Inslaw Affair
6 Savings & loan crisis
7 Debategate

Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



THOSE WERE REAL SCANDALS BUBBA!

You're unwittingly making the point perfectly. All of those whom you mentioned were scrutinized and/or convicted.
Meanwhile, as this current admin wallows in way more significant corruption, demise and ineptitude, not a single crony has had to deal with anything and barely any media coverage.
What's more, Reagan publicly acknowledged and took responsibility for Iran/Contra while this current hack assumes no responsibility for any wrongdoing. He only tries to take credit for whatever makes him look better.

Iran Contra wasn't Reagan's fault, I will concede that-it was Ollie North, the wannabe General. And yes, Obama needs to admit his administrations errors. Reagan could admit error and gain popularity, a made for TV President. (Yes, Obama also has relied upon image too much.)

So although Reagan KNEW ABOUT Iran/Contra, DIRECTED it, it WASN'T his fault?

Now BESIDES the special prosecutor who FINALLY got Ronnie to admit he ILLEGAL moves, where is ANY prof Obama KNOWINGLY did that?

Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'"


After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.

The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld
from investigators by Reagan administration officials.


"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not" RONNIE
 
You're unwittingly making the point perfectly. All of those whom you mentioned were scrutinized and/or convicted.
Meanwhile, as this current admin wallows in way more significant corruption, demise and ineptitude, not a single crony has had to deal with anything and barely any media coverage.
What's more, Reagan publicly acknowledged and took responsibility for Iran/Contra while this current hack assumes no responsibility for any wrongdoing. He only tries to take credit for whatever makes him look better.

Well actually, no Reagan never took responsibility for Iran Contra.

First he lied and said it never happened, THEN he admitted to it happening but said he wasn't involved.

You're so fucking stupid.


"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not" Ronnie

lol

Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents.


The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.


The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.



POINTING A FINGER AT REAGAN

FIREWALL
The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-up
By Lawrence E. Walsh

06/23/97 POINTING A FINGER AT REAGAN
 
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This claim that Reagan didn't know anything about Iran-Contra is a lie. There is a photograph from inside the Oval Office of Reagan meeting with Contra leaders with Oliver North standing behind Reagan.

contra_mtg.jpg


How does anyone expect us to believe that Reagan was unaware of Iran-Contra when Oliver North introduced Reagan to Contra leaders? Does anyone know where the name "Contra" in "Iran-Contra" comes from?

The Iran-Contra Affair, 1983-1988
IRAN CONTRA AT 25: REAGAN AND BUSH 'CRIMINAL LIABILITY' EVALUATIONS
 

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