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Goldwater-- Mr. Conservative

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I saw this thing on Goldwater. It was awesome. He was the man. HE was a real conservative. We should have nuked the communists. We should have resisted the internationalists. There is a rights issue regarding the civil rights act. When we lost the right to discriminate against race, we lost the right to discriminate in general, for other perhaps valid reasons. "We reserve the right to refuse service to Jihadis". WIll this hold up in court? we's just lost control of our own businesses and property.

Goldwater was right.

Who here remembers him? Come on, you old people, serve your function. What was the climate like during his run for pres?
 
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/barry_goldwater.html

Barry Goldwater


A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
Barry Goldwater

A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.
Barry Goldwater

American business has just forgotten the importance of selling.
Barry Goldwater

Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater

Hubert Humphrey talks so fast that listening to him is like trying to read Playboy magazine with your wife turning the pages.
Barry Goldwater

I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle.
Barry Goldwater

I think any man in business would be foolish to fool around with his secretary. If it's somebody else's secretary, fine.
Barry Goldwater

I will offer a choice, not an echo.
Barry Goldwater

I won't say that the papers misquote me, but I sometimes wonder where Christianity would be today if some of those reporters had been Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Barry Goldwater

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater

I wouldn't trust Nixon from here to that phone.
Barry Goldwater

If everybody in this town connected with politics had to leave town because of chasing women and drinking, you would have no government.
Barry Goldwater

If you don't mind smelling like peanut butter for two or three days, peanut butter is darn good shaving cream.
Barry Goldwater

It's a great country, where anybody can grow up to be president... except me.
Barry Goldwater

Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world.
Barry Goldwater

Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.
Barry Goldwater

The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.
Barry Goldwater

The only summit meeting that can succeed is the one that does not take place.
Barry Goldwater

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable.
Barry Goldwater

To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.
Barry Goldwater

We cannot allow the American flag to be shot at anywhere on earth if we are to retain our respect and prestige.
Barry Goldwater

When I'm not a politician, I'll be dead.
Barry Goldwater

Where is the politician who has not promised to fight to the death for lower taxes- and who has not proceeded to vote for the very spending projects that make tax cuts impossible?
Barry Goldwater

You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
Barry Goldwater

You've got to forget about this civilian. Whenever you drop bombs, you're going to hit civilians.
Barry Goldwater
 

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Who here remembers him? Come on, you old people, serve your function. What was the climate like during his run for pres?

I was too young to vote back then. I was also surrounded by democrats and I pretty much thought I was one. Again, I was young. We had just seen JFK and for me he was what being a democrat was all about.

Goldwater was criticized in 1964 as a radical reactionary.
That sums it up well I think. I recall many folks thought he was a kook. That was the climate I remember.
 
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I was too young to vote back then. I was also surrounded by democrats and I pretty much thought I was one. Again, I was young. We had just seen JFK and for me he was what being a democrat was all about.

That sums it up well I think. I recall many folks thought he was a kook. That was the climate I remember.


He must be. cuz I like him a lot. I saw this speech and we was talking about "the internationalists" and stuff. He had me at that point.

"You had me at 'internationalists'"
 

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LOL.



IMO us conservatives are in a small minority and declining thanks to the liberal propaganda machine. We'll never get anyone like Goldwater again.
 

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IMO us conservatives are in a small minority and declining thanks to the liberal propaganda machine. We'll never get anyone like Goldwater again.

Nah, the conservative movement is still alive and well. The problem is that it's quite nearly dead in Washington (it's doing quite well here in the Deep South, though).
 
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We need a new ideological leader. We should go back to Goldwater. We are a new generation. He was uttering the wisdom of survival, and our baby boomer parents were guilted into turning their backs on him.

We need a revolution. I proclaim a new era of Goldwater Conservatism.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwaterspeech.htm

The good Lord raised this mighty Republic to be a home for the brave and to flourish as the land of the free-not to stagnate in the swampland of collectivism, not to cringe before the bully of communism.

Now, my fellow Americans, the tide has been running against freedom. Our people have followed false prophets. We must, and we shall, return to proven ways-- not because they are old, but because they are true. We must, and we shall, set the tide running again in the cause of freedom. And this party, with its every action, every word, every breath, and every heartbeat, has but a single resolve, and that is freedom - freedom made orderly for this nation by our constitutional government; freedom under a government limited by laws of nature and of nature's God; freedom - balanced so that liberty lacking order will not become the slavery of the prison cell; balanced so that liberty lacking order will not become the license of the mob and of the jungle.

Now, we Americans understand freedom. We have earned it, we have lived for it, and we have died for it. This Nation and its people are freedom's model in a searching world. We can be freedom's missionaries in a doubting world. But, ladies and gentlemen, first we must renew freedom's mission in our own hearts and in our own homes.

During four futile years, the administration which we shall replace has distorted and lost that faith. It has talked and talked and talked and talked the words of freedom. Now, failures cement the wall of shame in Berlin. Failures blot the sands of shame at the Bay of Pigs. Failures mark the slow death of freedom in Laos. Failures infest the jungles of Vietnam. And failures haunt the houses of our once great alliances and undermine the greatest bulwark ever erected by free nations - the NATO community. Failures proclaim lost leadership, obscure purpose, weakening wills, and the risk of inciting our sworn enemies to new aggressions and to new excesses. Because of this administration we are tonight a world divided - we are a Nation becalmed. We have lost the brisk pace of diversity and the genius of individual creativity. We are plodding at a pace set by centralized planning, red tape, rules without responsibility, and regimentation without recourse.

Rather than useful jobs in our country, people have been offered bureaucratic "make work," rather than moral leadership, they have been given bread and circuses, spectacles, and, yes, they have even been given scandals. Tonight there is violence in our streets, corruption in our highest offices, aimlessness among our youth, anxiety among our elders and there is a virtual despair among the many who look beyond material success for the inner meaning of their lives. Where examples of morality should be set, the opposite is seen. Small men, seeking great wealth or power, have too often and too long turned even the highest levels of public service into mere personal opportunity.

Now, certainly, simple honesty is not too much to demand of men in government. We find it in most. Republicans demand it from everyone. They demand it from everyone no matter how exalted or protected his position might be. The growing menace in our country tonight, to personal safety, to life, to limb and property, in homes, in churches, on the playgrounds, and places of business, particularly in our great cities, is the mounting concern, or should be, of every thoughtful citizen in the United States.

Security from domestic violence, no less than from foreign aggression, is the most elementary and fundamental purpose of any government, and a government that cannot fulfill that purpose is one that cannot long command the loyalty of its citizens. History shows us - demonstrates that nothing - nothing prepares the way for tyranny more than the failure of public officials to keep the streets from bullies and marauders.

Now, we Republicans see all this as more, much more, than the rest: of mere political differences or mere political mistakes. We see this as the result of a fundamentally and absolutely wrong view of man, his nature and his destiny. Those who seek to live your lives for you, to take your liberties in return for relieving you of yours, those who elevate the state and downgrade the citizen must see ultimately a world in which earthly power can be substituted for divine will, and this Nation was founded upon the rejection of that notion and upon the acceptance of God as the author of freedom.

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.

Fellow Republicans, it is the cause of Republicanism to resist concentrations of power, private or public, which enforce such conformity and inflict such despotism. It is the cause of Republicanism to ensure that power remains in the hands of the people. And, so help us God, that is exactly what a Republican president will do with the help of a Republican Congress.

It is further the cause of Republicanism to restore a clear understanding of the tyranny of man over man in the world at large. It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the illusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression - and this is hogwash.

It is further the cause of Republicanism to remind ourselves, and the world, that only the strong can remain free, that only the strong can keep the peace.

Now, I needn't remind you, or my fellow Americans regardless of party, that Republicans have shouldered this hard responsibility and marched in this cause before. It was Republican leadership under Dwight Eisenhower that kept the peace, and passed along to this administration the mightiest arsenal for defense the world has ever known. And I needn't remind you that it was the strength and the unbelievable will of the Eisenhower years that kept the peace by using our strength, by using it in the Formosa Straits and in Lebanon and by showing it courageously at all times.

It was during those Republican years that the thrust of Communist imperialism was blunted. It was during those years of Republican leadership that this world moved closer, not to war, but closer to peace, than at any other time in the three decades just passed.

And I needn't remind you - but I will - that it's been during Democratic years that our strength to deter war has stood still, and even gone into a planned decline. It has been during Democratic years that we have weakly stumbled into conflict, timidly refusing to draw our own lines against aggression, deceitfully refusing to tell even our people of our full participation, and tragically, letting our finest men die on battlefields (unmarked by purpose, unmarked by pride or the prospect of victory).

Yesterday it was Korea. Tonight it is Vietnam. Make no bones of this. Don't try to sweep this under the rug. We are at war in Vietnam. And yet the President, who is Commander-in-Chief of our forces, refuses to say - refuses to say, mind you, whether or not the objective over there is victory. And his Secretary of Defense continues to mislead and misinform the American people, and enough of it has gone by.

And I needn't remind you, but I will; it has been during Democratic years that a billion persons were cast into Communist captivity and their fate cynically sealed.

Today in our beloved country we have an administration which seems eager to deal with communism in every coin known - from gold to wheat, from consulates to confidence, and even human freedom itself.

The Republican cause demands that we brand communism as a principal disturber of peace in the world today. Indeed, we should brand it as the only significant disturber of the peace, and we must make clear that until its goals of conquest are absolutely renounced and its rejections with all nations tempered, communism and the governments it now controls are enemies of every man on earth who is or wants to be free.

We here in America can keep the peace only if we remain vigilant and only if we remain strong. Only if we keep our eyes open and keep our guard up can we prevent war. And I want to make this abundantly clear - I don't intend to let peace or freedom be torn from our grasp because of lack of strength or lack of will - and that I promise you Americans.

I believe that we must look beyond the defense of freedom today to its extension tomorrow. I believe that the communism which boasts it will bury us will, instead, give way to the forces of freedom. And I can see in the distant and yet recognizable future the outlines of a world worthy our dedication, our every risk, our every effort, our every sacrifice along the way. Yes, a world that will redeem the suffering of those who will be liberated from tyranny. I can see and I suggest that all thoughtful men must contemplate the flowering of an Atlantic civilization, the whole world of Europe unified and free, trading openly across its borders, communicating openly across the world. This is a goal far, far more meaningful than a moon shot.

It's a truly inspiring goal for all free men to set for themselves during the latter half of the twentieth century. I can also see - and all free men must thrill to - the events of this Atlantic civilization joined by its great ocean highway to the United States. What a destiny, what a destiny can be ours to stand as a great central pillar linking Europe, the Americans and the venerable and vital peoples and cultures of the Pacific. I can see a day when all the Americas, North and South, will be linked in a mighty system, a system in which the errors and misunderstandings of the past will be submerged one by one in a rising tide of prosperity and interdependence. We know that the misunderstandings of centuries are not to be wiped away in a day or wiped away in an hour. But we pledge - we pledge that human sympathy - what our neighbors to the South call that attitude of "simpatico" - no less than enlightened self'-interest will be our guide.

I can see this Atlantic civilization galvanizing and guiding emergent nations everywhere.

I know this freedom is not the fruit of every soil. I know that our own freedom was achieved through centuries, by unremitting efforts by brave and wise men. I know that the road to freedom is a long and a challenging road. I know also that some men may walk away from it, that some men resist challenge, accepting the false security of governmental paternalism.

And I pledge that the America I envision in the years ahead will extend its hand in health, in teaching and in cultivation, so that all new nations will be at least encouraged to go our way, so that they will not wander down the dark alleys of tyranny or to the dead-end streets of collectivism. My fellow Republicans, we do no man a service by hiding freedom's light under a bushel of mistaken humility.

I seek an American proud of its past, proud of its ways, proud of its dreams, and determined actively to proclaim them. But our example to the world must, like charity, begin at home.

In our vision of a good and decent future, free and peaceful, there must be room for deliberation of the energy and talent of the individual - otherwise our vision is blind at the outset.

We must assure a society here which, while never abandoning the needy or forsaking the helpless, nurtures incentives and opportunity for the creative and the productive. We must know the whole good is the product of many single contributions.

I cherish a day when our children once again will restore as heroes the sort of men and women who - unafraid and undaunted - pursue the truth, strive to cure disease, subdue and make fruitful our natural environment and produce the inventive engines of production, science, and technology.

This Nation, whose creative people have enhanced this entire span of history, should again thrive upon the greatness of all those things which we, as individual citizens, can and should do. During Republican years, this again will be a nation of men and women, of families proud of their role, jealous of their responsibilities, unlimited in their aspirations - a Nation where all who can will be self-reliant.

We Republicans see in our constitutional form of government the great framework which assures the orderly but dynamic fulfillment of the whole man, and we see the whole man as the great reason for instituting orderly government in the first place.

We see, in private property and in economy based upon and fostering private property, the one way to make government a durable ally of the whole man, rather than his determined enemy. We see in the sanctity of private property the only durable foundation for constitutional government in a free society. And beyond that, we see, in cherished diversity of ways, diversity of thoughts, of motives and accomplishments. We do not seek to lead anyone's life for him - we seek only to secure his rights and to guarantee him opportunity to strive, with government performing only those needed and constitutionally sanctioned tasks which cannot otherwise be performed.

We Republicans seek a government that attends to its inherent responsibilities of maintaining a stable monetary and fiscal climate, encouraging a free and a competitive economy and enforcing law and order. Thus do we seek inventiveness, diversity, and creativity within a stable order, for we Republicans define government's role where needed at many, many levels, preferably through the one closest to the people involved.

Our towns and our cities, then our counties, then our states, then our regional contacts - and only then, the national government. That, let me remind you, is the ladder of liberty, built by decentralized power. On it also we must have balance between the branches of government at every level.

Balance, diversity, creativity - these are the elements of Republican equation. Republicans agree, Republicans agree heartily to disagree on many, many of their applications, but we have never disagreed on the basic fundamental issues of why you and I are Republicans.

This is a party, this Republican Party, a Party for free men, not for blind followers, and not for conformists.

Back in 1858 Abraham Lincoln said this of the Republican party - and I quote him, because he probably could have said it during the last week or so: "It was composed of strained, discordant, and even hostile elements" in 1858. Yet all of these elements agreed on one paramount objective: To arrest the progress of slavery, and place it in the course of ultimate extinction.

Today, as then, but more urgently and more broadly than then, the task of preserving and enlarging freedom at home and safeguarding it from the forces of tyranny abroad is great enough to challenge all our resources and to require all our strength. Anyone who joins us in all sincerity, we welcome. Those who do not care for our cause, we don't expect to enter our ranks in any case. And let our Republicanism, so focused and so dedicated, not be made fuzzy and futile by unthinking and stupid labels.

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

The beauty of the very system we Republicans are pledged to restore and revitalize, the beauty of this Federal system of ours is in its reconciliation of diversity with unity. We must not see malice in honest differences of opinion, and no matter how great, so long as they are not inconsistent with the pledges we have given to each other in and through our Constitution. Our Republican cause is not to level out the world or make its people conform in computer regimented sameness. Our Republican cause is to free our people and light the way for liberty throughout the world.

Ours is a very human cause for very humane goals.

This Party, its good people, and its unquestionable devotion to freedom, will not fulfill the purposes of this campaign which we launch here now until our cause has won the day, inspired the world, and shown the way to a tomorrow worthy of all our yesteryears.

I repeat, I accept your nomination with humbleness, with pride, and you and I are going to fight for the goodness of our land. Thank you.
 

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Ive read up on Barry Goldwater and he is a true blue Conservative. MY boss's father is 68 years old and he remembers when he ran. He said he loved everything the guy said but that Goldwater scared the crap out of people because he hit so close to home on so many things and thats why he never won.

I believe Santorum was a softer Goldwater. Santorum could speak to the people and never waivered in his conservative principles. Someone like him or Tancredo could be the heir apparent but i doubt we will ever see them rise because of the "moderate" wing of the Republican party. IT would have to be from a 3rd party like the Libertarians or something else.
 

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We need a new ideological leader. We should go back to Goldwater. We are a new generation. He was uttering the wisdom of survival, and our baby boomer parents were guilted into turning their backs on him.

We need a revolution. I proclaim a new era of Goldwater Conservatism.



*GASP*, I thought you "hated" Jews!!

:p:
 

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Uhh... what's this bit about using the nukes supposed to mean?
 

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Uhh... what's this bit about using the nukes supposed to mean?

In other words winning a war means obliterating your enemy. Not this pussified lets change their hearts and minds crap.
 

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theHawk said:
In other words winning a war means obliterating your enemy. Not this pussified lets change their hearts and minds crap.
I'll give you that genocide is a pretty effective way of taking care of the enemy.

However, nukes aren't offensive weapons. Nukes are for having; not using.
 
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I'll give you that genocide is a pretty effective way of taking care of the enemy.

However, nukes aren't offensive weapons. Nukes are for having; not using.

Nope. They're for using.
 

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rtwngAvngr said:
Nope. They're for using.
Hey, it's what won us the Cold War (oh, wait...).
 

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I'll give you that genocide is a pretty effective way of taking care of the enemy.

However, nukes aren't offensive weapons. Nukes are for having; not using.

No. Nukes are for deterance. If you demonstrate you'll never use them then no deterance. Hence you just rendered them useless.
Nukes, like most any weapon can be offensive or defensive. For instance when, not if, Iran gets the bomb and they start making noise about using it against us. In that instance I would favor preemptive offensive use of nukes. Ah the beauty of a well applied mushroom cloud......
 

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Rico said:
No. Nukes are for deterance. If you demonstrate you'll never use them then no deterance. Hence you just rendered them useless.
Nukes, like most any weapon can be offensive or defensive. For instance when, not if, Iran gets the bomb and they start making noise about using it against us. In that instance I would favor preemptive offensive use of nukes. Ah the beauty of a well applied mushroom cloud......
Err...taking a purely defensive stance with nukes is a well demonstrated methiod of thwarting offensive action. Look up "Cold War, The Entire History of the" for more information.

As for that last bit... well... suddenly I feel a lot better about having Democrats in control of the House and Senate. Using a nuke to offensively disarm a country like Iran is like using a blowtorch to fit two pieces of wood together.
 

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Rico, the way nuclear war works is thus:

When one guy launches one nuke, everybody else follows suit. There's no such thing as a small-scale nuclear conflict. It's all or nothing.
 

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I saw this thing on Goldwater. It was awesome. He was the man. HE was a real conservative. We should have nuked the communists. We should have resisted the internationalists. There is a rights issue regarding the civil rights act. When we lost the right to discriminate against race, we lost the right to discriminate in general, for other perhaps valid reasons. "We reserve the right to refuse service to Jihadis". WIll this hold up in court? we's just lost control of our own businesses and property.

Goldwater was right.

Who here remembers him? Come on, you old people, serve your function. What was the climate like during his run for pres?


I was barely in grammar school when Goldwater ran, but I do remember some being shocked at some of his later writings. I think along these lines:

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/goldwater.html
Barry Goldwater :
"I don't have any respect for the Religious Right."
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,"
"A woman has a right to an abortion."

"I am a conservative Republican," Barry Goldwater wrote in a 1994 Washington Post essay, "but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."

Goldwater was not always such a staunch separationist. Early in his controversial political career he supported tax breaks for private school tuition and a school prayer amendment. But the rise of the intolerant Religious Right caused him to rethink his views, a change that sparked admiration from Americans who disagreed with him on many other things.

When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

The five-term U.S. senator from Arizona was equally unimpressed with TV preacher Pat Robertson. When Robertson sought the GOP nomination for president in 1988, Goldwater wasn't about to say amen. "I believe in separation of church and state," observed Goldwater. "Now, he doesn't believe that . . . I just don't think he should be running."

A few years later he told The Advocate, "I don't have any respect for the Religious Right.
 

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Barry Goldwater just moved up in my book.
 

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