Gold card is not an America first agenda IMO.

[beagle9]

The program that trump is proposing has already existed fir 50 years in a slightly different form and is practiced in other western nations besides the US

OK, so why the America First Agenda then ? Hmm, does it mean America First in regards to Money rules irregardless of where it comes from or what influence it might bring ?

Where do we as Americans stand when it comes to putting Americans first or creating a pathway in which promotes MAGA that means Americans becoming great again ?

 

[KissMy]

You are very misinformed

 

[Mac1958]

What say you all ?

I have various agreements & disagreements with what they're trying to accomplish, although their methods are characteristically shallow and ham-handed. But...

It's going to take a while for the country and the world to understand how truly transactional Trump (and by extension, America now) actually is. We're ignoring & ending all agreements and cutting loose all our friends and allies. We're replacing them all with the 7-Eleven convenience store approach:

Our only "relationship" is that one of us gives the other something, and the other gives them something in exchange. A simple transaction. The rest of the time, the other can go straight to hell, for all we care.

And I can't think of a more appropriate and cynical example of this than wealthy foreign people paying big money to waltz in to the USA. That's just what we are now. Open for business, 24/7. And if you can't afford what we're selling, you can fuck right off.

Very Christian-like, wouldn't you say?

 

[Mac-7]

Do you prefer uneducated peasants from Haiti or central America ?

Wealthy foreigners bring their knowledge and ambition to America to create jobs for Americans

I think thats a better deal than taking welfare away from low-income Americans and using the money to transport, feed, shelter, clothe, ect dirt poor migrants with nothing to offer except communicable diseases

And a willingness to take jobs from natives at a lower wage

But maybe I’m missing something that you can explain

 

[Care4all]

If Soros Jr. ran for office would you vote for him?

I don't even know who he is?

No, of course not!

Yet you know who he is from your own rightwing media...who is pushing the Soros boogeyman mentality when Soros hasn't donated directly to a presidential or Federal Candidate in Decades....he donates to non profits who in turn donates to specific movements or causes, or to State (not federal) candidates who support their causes. Sounds all American to me...

And you, and plenty of others on this site as well, hypocritically cast stones, when you have the Musk-Rat billionaire donate to Trump's campaign win, $250,000,000, plus a free world wide exposure, very long Trump/Musk interview shown on X/twitter and regurgitated by Musk, and his algorithms.....?

All in just a few months before the election....MORE than Soros likely donated in his entire lifetime of campaign/cause donations!

And the billionaire is using a chainsaw to do what trump gave him in return for the money, instead of smartly positioned cuts of an ax.

Was Soros ever brought in to the Whitehouse to do something this Big for any Democratic President....

NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!

Because the country would never accept it!!!

Yet here we are, with the Trumpers unpatriotic, and ethically absent, undying support for all the utter crap that has been going on the past few weeks....you're destroying our country and the good we've actually stood for, for centuries...I truely believe you are turning us in to a crappy country of lawlessness too.... Boy, do I wish I am wrong!

You're side's silence and blind eyes are a huge disappointment, that I really thought not too far in the distance of past, I would ever see in my lifetime, very sad!

 

[beagle9]

I have various agreements & disagreements with what they're trying to accomplish, although their methods are characteristically shallow and ham-handed. But...

It's going to take a while for the country and the world to understand how truly transactional Trump (and by extension, America now) actually is. We're ignoring & ending all agreements and cutting loose all our friends and allies. We're replacing them all with the 7-Eleven convenience store approach:

Our only "relationship" is that one of us gives the other something, and the other gives them something in exchange. A simple transaction. The rest of the time, the other can go straight to hell, for all we care.

And I can't think of a more appropriate and cynical example of this than wealthy foreign people paying big money to waltz in to the USA. That's just what we are now. Open for business, 24/7. And if you can't afford what we're selling, you can fuck right off.

Very Christian-like, wouldn't you say?

Nope - Very reactionary all due to the radical "open for corrupt business" that a certain party was all about for 12 long year's.

Being used by politician's that inturn were using the most vulnerable mentally challenged classe's of citizen's in this country was all by design and for a reason.

The party in thought of had created the entire nightmare scenario for itself, and now a very powerful character has arrived on the scene in order to straighten thing's back out, and this is for those still holding on to what normal thought is or what normalcy is once those thoughts are put back into action.

Yes the world was caught up in the bull chit too, so it is suffering as a result of listening to radicals that were flooding them with a false sense of economic bliss and security for ill gotten gains.

And here you are trying your little heart out to justify the crazed actions of a party that has driven you right off of the cliff. Now get your coffee mug, and go cry on the view with whoopsie and the rest of your idles.

 

[Mac1958]

Nope - Very reactionary all due to the radical "open for corrupt business" that a certain party was all about for 12 long year's.

Being used by politician's that inturn were using the most vulnerable mentally challenged classe's of citizen's in this country was all by design and for a reason.

The party in thought of had created the entire nightmare scenario for itself, and now a very powerful character has arrived on the scene in order to straighten thing's back out, and this is for those still holding on to what normal thought is or what normalcy is once those thoughts are put back into action.

Yes the world was caught up in the bull chit too, so it is suffering as a result of listening to radicals that were flooding them with a false sense of economic bliss and security for ill gotten gains.

And here you are trying your little heart out to justify the crazed actions of a party that has driven you right off of the cliff. Now get your coffee mug, and go cry on the view with whoopsie and the rest of your idles.

I know. "My tribe is honest and good, the other tribe is corrupt and evil."

Same stuff, from both ends.

I know, I know.

Yawn.

 

[beagle9]

Do you prefer uneducated peasants from Haiti or central America ?

Wealthy foreigners bring their knowledge and ambition to America to create jobs for Americans

I think thats a better deal than taking welfare away from low-income Americans and using the money to transport, feed, shelter, clothe, ect dirt poor migrants with nothing to offer except communicable diseases

And a willingness to take jobs from natives at a lower wage

But maybe I’m missing something that you can explain

You are connecting the two issue's that are actually "both" very detrimental to this country and it's American citizens. The American culture is trying hard to be rescued, so I'm not sure how this selling out America to foreign money is supposed to help the cultural side of the coin.

Bringing in monied influence or monied foriegn cultural influence from around the world, and doing so in a sell out type of thing can't be an America First Agenda, otherwise it is monied influence that is then promoted by the power of that money within the interior of this country. This type of thing by it's very nature is basically being unfair to Americans and their interest in the proposed, promised or supposed America first agenda being touted or used in rhetoric there of.

We have seen the power of foreign money being brought into the country in the form of our government giving tax breaks and every other kind of breaks to foreigners if they open businesses on American soil, and we've seen how those foreigners have then turned on Americans and the culture by making Americans no more than just indebted servant's with no hope of advancement or taking over their industries by working one's way up a ladder or to buy back or buy out the businesses in which they now control once they gained control over them.

It should be illegal for foreigners to come into this country and actually physically run and/or control a business on American soil, otherwise that in turn makes American's their servant's for whom are then abused by these foreigners in a lot of these rotten monied deals.

Now foreign investments coming in, otherwise that are offered and then placed into American companies for a percentage of their profits is ok, but note - (foriegn investments are NOT to exceed the American investment percentages held in any American companies on American soil, otherwise investments that would give a foreigner controlling interest of an American run company or companies).

I can agree with such a policy being implemented and put into place in order to protect American interest and ownership within the interior of this country, otherwise if we are truly to get back to MAGA in this country.

We have to stop the bleeding of American culture and interest being sold out to foreigners as if we are actually selling our own souls.

 

[beagle9]

I know. "My tribe is honest and good, the other tribe is corrupt and evil."

Same stuff, from both ends.

I know, I know.

Yawn.

Yawn ? Got your coffee yet, because whoopsie and the other gal's on the view await your input so they can have some sort of hope after the disaster they have hitched their wagons too.

It's all about the foundation, and how to restore it, and not instead constantly trying to destroy it.

Do better..

 

[Mac1958]

Yawn ? Got your coffee yet, because whoopsie and the other gal's on the view await your input so they can have some sort of hope after the disaster they have hitched their wagons too.

It's all about the foundation, and how to restore it, and not instead constantly trying to destroy it.

Do better..

I'm sure that stuff makes sense to you.

You are ignorant of my politics. I'm used to it here.

 

[Mac-7]

You are connecting the two issue's that are actually "both" very detrimental to this country and it's American citizens. The American culture is trying hard to be rescued, so I'm not sure how this selling out America to foreign money is supposed to help the cultural side of the coin.

Bringing in monied influence or monied foriegn cultural influence from around the world, and doing so in a sell out type of thing can't be an America First Agenda, otherwise it is monied influence that is then promoted by the power of that money within the interior of this country. This type of thing by it's very nature is basically being unfair to Americans and their interest in the proposed, promised or supposed America first agenda being touted or used in rhetoric there of.

We have seen the power of foreign money being brought into the country in the form of our government giving tax breaks and every other kind of breaks to foreigners if they open businesses on American soil, and we've seen how those foreigners have then turned on Americans and the culture by making Americans no more than just indebted servant's with no hope of advancement or taking over their industries by working one's way up a ladder or to buy back or buy out the businesses in which they now control once they gained control over them.

It should be illegal for foreigners to come into this country and actually physically run and/or control a business on American soil, otherwise that in turn makes American's their servant's for whom are then abused by these foreigners in a lot of these rotten monied deals.

Now foreign investments coming in, otherwise that are offered and then placed into American companies for a percentage of their profits is ok, but note - (foriegn investments are NOT to exceed the American investment percentages held in any American companies on American soil, otherwise investments that would give a foreigner controlling interest of an American run company or companies).

I can agree with such a policy being implemented and put into place in order to protect American interest and ownership within the interior of this country, otherwise if we are truly to get back to MAGA in this country.

We have to stop the bleeding of American culture and interest being sold out to foreigners as if we are actually selling our own souls.

It should be illegal for foreigners to come into this country and actually physically run and/or control a business on American soil, otherwise that in turn makes American's their servant's for whom are then abused by these foreigners in a lot of these rotten monied deals.

Do you want to close the German and Japanese auto plants in America?

Because under your rules they couldnt own and operate those factories here

I understand your concern about foreign influence

But we are a nation founded on immigrants

And the 5 mil crowd are immigrating to America to become citizens eventually

So what happens to us happens to them too

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

No, I don't think they did. Otherwise Omar couldn't have married her brother.

There's a new sheriff in town.

Yes there is.

And he's dumber than this one...............

 

[schmidlap]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

It's a lousy substitute for toilet paper.

 

[westwall]

It's a lousy substitute for toilet paper.

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And you're a lousy substitute for a toilet, yet here you are....

 

[schmidlap]

And you're a lousy substitute for a toilet, yet here you are....

Oooo! Pissy.

 

[westwall]

Oooo! Pissy.

Yeah, you are. That's why I avoid you whenever possible.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

It's a lousy substitute for toilet paper.

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Did you prefer open borders, where we got the worst and the dullest?

Now that the border is secure - took a mere weeks - there is a price to pay for coming to America - you have to bring something, contribute something, or ACTUALLY be in need of asylum.

One Gold Card purchase would fund how many vets?

Why is this potential money maker a silly idea; you got a better one?

 

[beagle9]

It should be illegal for foreigners to come into this country and actually physically run and/or control a business on American soil, otherwise that in turn makes American's their servant's for whom are then abused by these foreigners in a lot of these rotten monied deals.

Do you want to close the German and Japanese auto plants in America?

Because under your rules they couldnt own and operate those factories here

I understand your concern about foreign influence

But we are a nation founded on immigrants

And the 5 mil crowd are immigrating to America to become citizens eventually

So what happens to us happens to them too

Not close them, but only allow them to be investor's and advisors to the American majority interest holders or joint American investor's upon how to run, operate, and make a profit for all parties involved in the investment, but never allow a foreign investor to have the controlling interest in a company on American soil. That should have been a no no from the start.

Look at China... It doesn't allow American operated and owned factories or businesses in that country does it ??? However it sure likes doing business with us, but didn't they steal our intellectual property without us being able to do a damned thing about it ??? Look at how we foolishly built China into a powerhouse militarily and domestically. Greed is a terrible thing that causes men to sell their own souls and their nation's out.

Let's hope Trump has a plan that will work, and we can begin to right this ship before it is completely sunk.

Hopefully war is unavoidable as we try to take back our sovereignty and our integrity as an independent nation and republic.

 

[beagle9]

Yes there is.

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And he's dumber than this one...............

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Only a dummy thinks that Barney was the Sheriff..

 

[Mac-7]

Not close them, but only allow them to be investor's and advisors to the American majority interest holders or joint American investor's upon how to run, operate, and make a profit for all parties involved in the investment, but never allow a foreign investor to have the controlling interest in a company on American soil. That should have been a no no from the start.

Look at China... It doesn't allow American operated and owned factories or businesses in that country does it ??? However it sure likes doing business with us, but didn't they steal our intellectual property without us being able to do a damned thing about it ??? Look at how we foolishly built China into a powerhouse militarily and domestically. Greed is a terrible thing that causes men to sell their own souls and their nation's out.

Let's hope Trump has a plan that will work, and we can begin to right this ship before it is completely sunk.

Hopefully war is unavoidable as we try to take back our sovereignty and our integrity as an independent nation and republic.

Look at China... It doesn't allow American operated and owned factories or businesses in that country does it ???

Yes it does

Western and Japanese companies taught the chicoms everything they know about manufacturing

Until recently the rule was 50% chinese ownership of joint venture enterprises

But that rule no longer applies