it's what science thinks that matters

What? Are you familiar with science or not. Science already concluded that they are unable to have a truth of this kind. Such a scenario is not scientifically falsifiable. It means whatever you can come up with, science can't tell if it's true or can't tell if it's not true. It is simply because BB (if exists) is a one time event in history. Science by its very nature doesn't have the ability to falsify whatever came up with in this case. That is, science itself doesn't have the ability to tell in the case that a (or any) hypothesis is not true.

In a sense, science has already given up to begin with, of course unless you can make the presumed BB repeats itself in front of humans.
Science at the moment can't see all the way back to the BB, when they can, we'll all have something to talk about. Until then, it's a guessing game.
We have something to talk about now, Mr. science denier. :lol:

We know from science that space and time had a beginning. Specifically, red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations, quantum mechanics, the First Law of Thermodynamics, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Inflation Theory.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that all matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom and then began to expand and cool. The the First Law of Thermodynamics (i.e. conservation of energy) tells us that since that time matter and energy has only changed form. Which means that the atoms in our bodies were created from nothing when space and and time were created from nothing.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations and the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that space and time did have a beginning. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. Since we do not see thermal equilibrium (good thing too because there would be no life) we know that the universe did have a beginning.

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.
Shut up with that usual word salad, it proves nothing.
It's called science, Taz. And it proves the universe was created from nothing.
Maybe to you it does, but not to anyone in the real world.
Which part?
All of it.
So red shift is word salad and proves nothing?
Doesn’t prove that the universe came from nothing, it shows that everything is moving away from us.
Hawking explains how it does. :lol:


Right on the front of the video it says “theory”. Now go buy yourself a dictionary.

Obviously you didn't watch the video. :lol:

I did, it’s a theory. Nothing more. Geez, you’re thick.

You mean like evolution is a theory?

I'm not the one denying science, Taz.

Yes, like evolution is a theory. Good boy. Now shut up.

Exactly. One we accept as a fact. :lol:

I don’t, mainly because scientists call it a theory. Gawd, you’re an imbecile.

Do you accept evolution as a fact?

I can actually prove evolution.

Did you see a horse evolve from a pliohippus?
 
Thats where abraham got it.
Abraham was thousands of years later. How did he know what the Sumerians believed?

And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
 
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Abraham was a fucking sumerian. Dumbass
He was a succesor of Babylonian culture and religion. What do you think akkadians were? And what they knew?
 
Thats where abraham got it.
Abraham was thousands of years later. How did he know what the Sumerians believed?

And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
OMFG
And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
Yeah. He didnt copy the polytheism but he copied the garden of Eve, creation and a multitude of other beliefs.
But he made it all about one god so its bullshit. Lol
 
Thats where abraham got it.
Abraham was thousands of years later. How did he know what the Sumerians believed?

And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
OMFG
And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
Yeah. He didnt copy the polytheism but he copied the garden of Eve, creation and a multitude of other beliefs.
But he made it all about one god so its bullshit. Lol
You said it yourself they shared a common culture. So they shared in the allegorical accounts of historical events.

But monotheism versus polytheism is vastly different. So I can't see how you think he ripped off their religion.
 
Thats where abraham got it.
Abraham was thousands of years later. How did he know what the Sumerians believed?

And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
OMFG
And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
Yeah. He didnt copy the polytheism but he copied the garden of Eve, creation and a multitude of other beliefs.
But he made it all about one god so its bullshit. Lol
You said it yourself they shared a common culture. So they shared in the allegorical accounts of historical events.

But monotheism versus polytheism is vastly different. So I can't see how you think he ripped off their religion.
OMG lol. Hundreds of gods having different powers and turning it into one doing it all. While still having all the same stories of his culture. Yeah real hard.
Keep reaching for that straw
 
Thats where abraham got it.
Abraham was thousands of years later. How did he know what the Sumerians believed?

And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
OMFG
And if Abraham copied the Sumerian religion, why didn't he copy their polytheism too?
Yeah. He didnt copy the polytheism but he copied the garden of Eve, creation and a multitude of other beliefs.
But he made it all about one god so its bullshit. Lol
You said it yourself they shared a common culture. So they shared in the allegorical accounts of historical events.

But monotheism versus polytheism is vastly different. So I can't see how you think he ripped off their religion.
OMG lol. Hundreds of gods having different powers and turning it into one doing it all. While still having all the same stories of his culture. Yeah real hard.
Keep reaching for that straw
No on believed in only one God and you are arguing the religion was stolen?
 
The only religion that believed in the unity of God, the incorporeality of God, that God created existence from nothing.

There was no other religion like it.
 
The only religion that believed in the unity of God, the incorporeality of God, that God created existence from nothing.

There was no other religion like it.
Be a good Christian and ignore whats convenient
 
The only religion that believed in the unity of God, the incorporeality of God, that God created existence from nothing.

There was no other religion like it.
Islam?
 

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