Global Warming - the truth

[jodylee]

Other countries are lecturing the US how we have to lower our standard of living and support Al in what he says

But they ignore how Al does not live by his own words

Global warming is a manufactered crisis by those who envy the US economy and cannot compete on a level playing field

i think your obsessed with big Al. are you being payed to do an anti lib anti gore campain.

 

[red states rule]

i think your obsessed with big Al. are you being payed to do an anti lib anti gore campain.

Since he is the star of the enviro wackos and the liberal media as the Godfather of anti global warming. why not point out what how he REALLY lives his life and how much energy he consumes

Or is that to logical for you?

 

[boedicca]

I'm really happy to have caught a flight out of JFK on Thursday night before Global Warming caused the cancellation of 2,000 flights.

 

[red states rule]

I'm really happy to have caught a flight out of JFK on Thursday night before Global Warming caused the cancellation of 2,000 flights.

Frostbite, equipment damage end latest Bancroft-Arnesen trek
PATRICK CONDON
Associated Press

SCOTT TAKUSHI, PIONEER PRESS
Anne Bancroft - Pioneer Press archive photo from March 2004.MINNEAPOLIS - A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite.

The explorers, Ann Bancroft and Liv Arnesen, on Saturday called off what was intended to be a 530-mile trek across the Arctic Ocean after Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes, and extreme cold temperatures drained the batteries in some of their electronic equipment.

"Ann said losing toes and going forward at all costs was never part of the journey," said Ann Atwood, who helped organize the expedition.

On Monday, the pair was at Canada's Ward Hunt Island, awaiting a plane to take them to Resolute, Canada, where they were to return to Minneapolis later this week.

Bancroft, 51, became the first woman to cross the North Pole on a 1986 expedition. She and Arnesen, 53, of Oslo, Norway, were the first women to ski across Antarctica in 2001.

But the latest trek got off to a bad start. The day they set off from Ward Hunt Island, a plane landing near the women hit their gear, punching a hole in Bancroft's sled and damaging one of Arnesen's snowshoes.

They repaired the snowshoe with binding from a ski, but Atwood said the patch job created pressure on Arnesen's left foot, which led to blisters that then turned into frostbite.

Then there was the cold - quite a bit colder, Atwood said, then Bancroft and Arnesen had expected. One night they measured the temperature inside their tent at 58 degrees below zero, and outside temperatures were exceeding 100 below zero at times, Atwood said.

"My first reaction when they called to say there were calling it off was that they just sounded really, really cold," Atwood said.

She said Bancroft and Arnesen were applying hot water bottles to Arnesen's foot every night, but had to wake up periodically because the bottles froze.

The explorers had planned to call in regular updates to school groups by satellite phone, and had planned online posts with photographic evidence of global warming. In contrast to Bancroft's 1986 trek across the Arctic with fellow Minnesota explorer Will Steger, this time she and Arnesen were prepared to don body suits and swim through areas where polar ice has melted.

Atwood said there was some irony that a trip to call attention to global warming was scuttled in part by extreme cold temperatures.

"They were experiencing temperatures that weren't expected with global warming," Atwood said. "But one of the things we see with global warming is unpredictability."

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On the Net: http://www.bancroftarnesen.co

 

[red states rule]

i think your obsessed with big Al. are you being payed to do an anti lib anti gore campain.

Al Gore's is Smaller Than Yours
Feted at Sundance. Fellated at the Oscars. There may even be a Nobel Prize in his future. After having his election and subsequent re-election stolen from him, it appears that Al Gore is finally getting the respect he deserves – and not just from the lesbian community. The whole world is united in love and admiration for the man who would awaken us to an inconvenient truth and save us from our own polluting selves.

There are, as expected, the typical right-wing bullies on the beach who can’t resist kicking sand in Al’s face as he basks in the glow of his much-deserved stardom. Always the turds in the proverbial punchbowl, these smearmongers have procured “evidence” that Gore uses twenty times more electricity than your average American household. Well, of course he does – he’s twenty times more important than your average American. What the GOP attack machine neglects to factor into their hate-fueled orgy of hate is the utter itsy-bitsyness of Gore’s teensy weensy “carbon footprint” – ithat is, the amount of damage one does to the environment simply by cursing this planet with their existence.

Naturally, Al Gore’s carbon footprint is drastically smaller than that of a carbon-based lifeform. This allows him to enjoy the sort of lavish lifestyle that only a progressive celebrity truly deserves. There is also the matter of "carbon offsets" to consider - special “Eco-Credits” we can use to offset the amount of Carbon Debt we incur throughout our daily lives. The more environmentally-friendly you are, the more credits you obtain. Voting Democrat, for instance, earns you an automatic 1000 Eco-Credits. Wearing earth tones gets you another 5,000 Eco-Credits. Having at least one Prius in your 17-car garage is worth 20,000 Eco-Credits, and an additional 10,000 if you slap a Greenpeace bumper sticker on it. For those who can't afford a hybrid vehicle, abortions an inexpensive way to nab an easy 10,000 credits. Once you have accumulated enough Eco-Credits, you can exchange them for the privilege of heating your home, driving your car, or flushing your toilet.

Unfortunately, there are only so many Eco-Credits to go around, and Al Gore has most of them. His tireless devotion to scaring the crap out of people has earned him enough Eco-Credits that he could raise a herd of bean-fed bovines in his front yard and still have enough left over to heat his indoor olympic swimming pool for the next 1000 years if he wanted to. Instead, Gore has chosen to hold his vast wealth of Eco-Credits in trust for the America people, until such a time that Mother Earth has passed safely from the under shadow of an environmental holocaust. Until that day comes, it is important that the rest of us reduce our carbon footprints by shutting off our heat, turning off our lights, and eating cold dog food directly from the can.

Well, not all of us.

Just you.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/environment/index.html

 

[Annie]

Wow, are humans causing this too?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070315/ts_nm/mars_water_dc

Immense ice deposits found at south pole of Mars

By Will DunhamThu Mar 15, 3:00 PM ET

A spacecraft orbiting Mars has scanned huge deposits of water ice at its south pole so plentiful they would blanket the planet in 36 feet of water if they were liquid, scientists said on Thursday.

The scientists used a joint NASA-Italian Space Agency radar instrument on the European Space Agency Mars Express spacecraft to gauge the thickness and volume of ice deposits at the Martian south pole covering an area larger than Texas.

The deposits, up to 2.3 miles thick, are under a polar cap of white frozen carbon dioxide and water, and appear to be composed of at least 90 percent frozen water, with dust mixed in, according to findings published in the journal Science.

Scientists have known that water exists in frozen form at the Martian poles, but this research produced the most accurate measurements of just how much there is.

They are eager to learn about the history of water on Mars because water is fundamental to the question of whether the planet has ever harbored microbial or some other life. Liquid water is a necessity for life as we know it.

Characteristics like channels on the Martian surface strongly suggest the planet once was very wet, a contrast to its present arid, dusty condition.

Jeffrey Plaut of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, who led the study, said the same techniques are being used to examine similar ice deposits at the Martian north pole.

Radar observations made in late 2005 and early 2006 provided the data on the south pole, and similar observations were taken of the north pole in the past several months, Plaut said.

Plaut, part of an international team of two dozen scientists, said a preliminary look at this data indicated the ice deposits in at the north pole are comparable to those at the south pole.

SEARCH FOR LIFE

"Life as we know it requires water and, in fact, at least transient liquid water for cells to survive and reproduce. So if we are expecting to find existing life on Mars we need to go to a location where water is available," Plaut said.

"So the polar regions are naturally a target because we certainly know that there's plenty of H2O there."

Some of the new information even hints at the possible existence of a thin layer of liquid water at the base of the deposits.

But while images taken by NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft made public in December suggested the presence of a small amount of liquid water on the surface, researchers are baffled about the fate of most of the water. The polar deposits contain most of the known water on Mars.

Plaut said the amount of water in the Martian past may have been the equivalent of a global layer hundreds of meters deep, while the polar deposits represent a layer of perhaps tens of meters.

"We have this continuing question facing us in studies of Mars, which is: where did all the water go?" Plaut said.

"Even if you took the water in these two (polar) ice caps and added it all up, it's still not nearly enough to do all of the work that we've seen that the water has done across the surface of Mars in its history."

Plaut said it appears perhaps 10 percent of the water that once existed on Mars is now trapped in these polar deposits. Other water may exist below the planet's surface or perhaps some was lost into space through the atmosphere, Plaut said.

 

[red states rule]

Wow, are humans causing this too?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070315/ts_nm/mars_water_dc

Pres Bush must have sent SUV's to Mars!

 

[Annie]

Pres Bush must have sent SUV's to Mars!

I thought it was Karl?

 

[red states rule]

I thought it was Karl?

Haliburton must have set up shop on Mars and killed off the Martians

 

[boedicca]

I highly recommend a viewing of The Great Global Warming Swindle for a good analysis of the bogosity of GW Faith-Based Science.

 

[red states rule]

I highly recommend a viewing of The Great Global Warming Swindle for a good analysis of the bogosity of GW Faith-Based Science.

The liberal media has been ignoring the film.

 

[boedicca]

That's one of the Virtues Of The Internet - the MSM no longer have a stranglehold on the dissemination of information.

 

[red states rule]

That's one of the Virtues Of The Internet - the MSM no longer have a stranglehold on the dissemination of information.

Why do you think the libs want to bring back the Fairness Doctrine?

To silence any sources that go against their agenda

 

[boedicca]

Yes, but then NPR and Air America would have to allow (horror of horrors) NeoCon messages on their unsullied airwaves.

 

[red states rule]

Yes, but then NPR and Air America would have to allow (horror of horrors) NeoCon messages on their unsullied airwaves.

NPR is still on the air, but Dead Air America is dying.

Dead Air has about 1% of the listeners of Rush (that is on a good day)

 

[ErikViking]

Danish scientist: Global warming is a myth
COPENHAGEN, Denmark, March 15 (UPI) -- A Danish scientist said the idea of a "global temperature" and global warming is more political than scientific.

University of Copenhagen Professor Bjarne Andresen has analyzed the topic in collaboration with Canadian Professors Christopher Essex from the University of Western Ontario and Ross McKitrick of the University of Guelph.


It is generally assumed the Earth's atmosphere and oceans have grown warmer during the recent 50 years because of an upward trend in the so-called global temperature, which is the result of complex calculations and averaging of air temperature measurements taken around the world.


"It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth," said Andresen, an expert on thermodynamics. "A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate".


He says the currently used method of determining the global temperature -- and any conclusion drawn from it -- is more political than scientific.


The argument is presented in the Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics.


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Danish_scientist_Global_warming_is_a_myth/20070315-012154-7403r/

The bold:
This system IS complex. The essence of my initial post. That is why I hinted you the butterfly effect. We can't predict outcome of any action we do to this system.

We realize now that we most probably have a negative impact on this system in the long run. (From our POV, - frogs might be just fine) The next (in)human logical step would now be to integrate this possibility in to our own abstract system of power and economy. Something that isn't probably very hard either - we are very good in creating abstracs.

It is the same reasoning as with meteors. We could make plans to forsee and stop a possible destruction of our civilization.

BUT

Most likley something else will get us all anyway. To our great surprise.

 

[red states rule]

The libs preach to us how we need to live our lives but they never do the same in their own lives


Limousine Liberal Hypocrisy

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Goldman Sachs has been one of the most aggressive firms on Wall Street about taking action on climate change; the company sends its bankers home at night in hybrid limousines.

--The New York Times, Feb. 25

Written without a hint of irony--if only your neighborhood dry cleaner sent his employees home by hybrid limousine--this front-page dispatch captured perfectly the eco-pretensions of the rich and the stupefying gullibility with which they are received.

Remember the Leonardo DiCaprio and Al Gore global-warming pitch at the Academy Awards? Before they spoke, the screen at the back of the stage flashed not-so-subliminal messages about how to save the planet. My personal favorite was "Ride mass transit." This to a conclave of Hollywood plutocrats who have not seen the inside of a subway since the moon landing and for whom mass transit means a stretch limo seating no fewer than 10.

Leo and Al then portentously announced that for the first time ever, the Academy Awards ceremony had gone green. What did that mean? Solar panels in the designer gowns? It turns out that the Academy neutralized the evening's "carbon footprint" by buying carbon credits. That means it sent money to a "carbon broker," who promised, after taking his cut, to reduce carbon emissions somewhere on the planet equivalent to what the stars spewed into the atmosphere while flying in on their private planes.

In other words, the rich reduce their carbon output by not one ounce. But drawing on the hundreds of millions of net worth in the Kodak Theatre, they pull out lunch money to buy ecological indulgences. The last time the selling of pardons was prevalent--in a predecessor religion to environmentalism called Christianity--Martin Luther lost his temper and launched the Reformation.

A very few of the very rich have some awareness of the emptiness--if not the medieval corruption--of ransoming one's sins. Sergey Brin, zillionaire founder of Google, buys carbon credits to offset the ghastly amount of carbon dioxide emitted by Google's private Boeing 767 but confesses he's not sure if it really does anything.

Which puts him one step ahead of most other eco-preeners who actually pretend that it does--the Goracle himself, for example. His Tennessee mansion consumes 20 times the electricity used by the average American home. Last August alone it consumed twice as much power as the average home consumes in a year. Gore buys absolution, however. He spends pocket change on carbon credits, which then allow him to pollute conscience-free.

What is wrong with this scam? First, purchasing carbon credits is an incentive to burn even more fossil fuels, since now it is done under the illusion that it's really cost-free to the atmosphere.

Second, it is a way for the rich to export the real costs and sacrifices of pollution control to the poorer segments of humanity in the Third World. (Apparently, Hollywood's plan is to make up for that by adopting every last one of their children.) For example, GreenSeat, a Dutch carbon-trading outfit, buys offsets from a foundation that plants trees in Uganda's Mount Elgon National Park to soak up the carbon emissions of its rich Western patrons. Small problem: expanding the park encroaches on land traditionally used by local farmers. As a result, reports the New York Times, "villagers living along the boundary of the park have been beaten and shot at, and their livestock has been confiscated by armed park rangers." All this so that swimming pools can be heated and Maseratis driven with a clear conscience in the fattest parts of the world.

The other form of carbon trading is to get Third World companies to cut their emissions to offset Western pollution. The reason this doesn't work--and why the carbon racket is a farce--is that you need a cap for cap-and-trade to work. Sulfur dioxide emissions in the U.S. were capped, and the trading system succeeded in reducing acid rain by half. But even the Kyoto treaty doesn't put any cap on greenhouse gases in China and India, where billions of these carbon credits are traded. Sure, you can pretend you're offsetting Western greenhouse pollution by supposedly cleaning up a dirty coal plant in China. But China is adding a new coal plant every week. You could build a particularly dirty "uncapped" power plant, then sell hundreds of millions in carbon credits to reduce it to a normal rate of pollution. The result? The polluter gets very rich. The planet continues to cook. And the Gores of the world can feel virtuous as they burn up the local power grid.

If Gore really wants to save the planet, he can try this: Turn off the lights. Ditch the heated pool. Ride the subway. And spare us the carbon-trading piety.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...599714,00.html

 

[ErikViking]

The libs preach to us how we need to live our lives but they never do the same in their own lives
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I don't know exactly how this fits in. Al? Leo?

The carbon-credit seems interesting though. Is it an attempt to integrate environment into the economy? If so it is a good move. Does it work?

I am curios, on this messageboard there is alot of hammering all kinds of global warming therories. Not a bad thing, a theory should stand some beating. But it seems the fuel for this beating is coming from a purely political stand point. If we set that a side for a while - what is you personal opinion about the environment? Is it of any concern at all? (I DO respect "not for a second" as an answer).

 

[red states rule]

I don't know exactly how this fits in. Al? Leo?

The carbon-credit seems interesting though. Is it an attempt to integrate environment into the economy? If so it is a good move. Does it work?

I am curios, on this messageboard there is alot of hammering all kinds of global warming therories. Not a bad thing, a theory should stand some beating. But it seems the fuel for this beating is coming from a purely political stand point. If we set that a side for a while - what is you personal opinion about the environment? Is it of any concern at all? (I DO respect "not for a second" as an answer).

It is political because libs make it political. Whenever the oil companies want to drill for oil in the US, build/expand a refinery, or a company wants to build a coal/nuclear plant - the enviro wacks stop them

Libs bash people who drive SUV's or do not live their live in a certain way. Yet we are not allowed to question why the enviro wackos do not live their lives the way they want us to live ours

It seems libs want to convince people Republicans want to poison the air/water, kill millions, then run for reelection

My opinion is the enviroment is fine. Man could not destroy the Earth, even if we wanted to

 

[red states rule]

March 17, 2007
The fraud behind carbon credits
Thomas Lifson
The sale of indulgences for those who emit so-called greenhouse gases is built on widespread fraud. The illusion of "carbon neutrality" is very often nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Business Week, hardly a conservative source, has investigated a number of these schemes and found widespread questionable practices.


For example, consider the carbon offsets included in the OscarsTM goodie bag:
Each Oscar favor represented 100,000 pounds of emission reductions drawn from TerraPass' portfolio of offset projects.

One of the largest in its portfolio is a sprawling garbage dump outside of Springdale, Ark., from which TerraPass has purchased thousands of tons of gas reductions. [....]


... one thing is clear: The methane system was launched long before any promise of carbon-offset sales. In other words, it appears that the main effects of the TerraPass offsets in this instance are to salve guilty celebrity consciences and provide Waste Management [owner of the dump], a $13 billion company based in Houston, with some extra revenue.
Other similar schemes were uncovered by BW. Companies forced by regulators to take action subsequently sell them as offsets. Nobody is reducing any CO2 emissions as a result of money changing hands.

Common sense tells anyone that if you think it is a bad thing to generate carbon dioxide, you should curtail your activities that do so. Anything else is morally fraudulent.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/03/the_fraud_behind_carbon_credit.html