Global Warming is happening...on Mars

[Big Fitz]

Was Phil Jones lying when he said there's been no Global Warming?

No, Frank, you are lying because Jones did not say that.

"BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

Phil Jones: Yes..."

BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

Can't be any clearer than that

Except to an acolyte of the Chicken Little Cult.

 

[Big Fitz]

Explain this one warmers:

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says



Or is this another one of those times we need to conveniently leave out science?

Well it looks as if Mars is teeming with life as well..right?

If we continue the way we are..the earth will resemble mars in more ways then one.

Really? And we know this from whom? Science FICTION writers? Did Heinlein tell you this to be true? Or are we flashing back to that science documentary "Soylant Green"?

Straight line predictions are always wrong over time.

 

[daveman]

It's not "fear mongering". It's science.

You can't keep dumping crap alien to the environment into the soil, water and air and hope for a good outcome.

"ZOMG we're gonna kill every last thing on Earth if we don't adopt world socialism!!" isn't fear-mongering?

Uh huh.

Keep those logical leaps coming boys and girls.

If you don't like what you say being pointed out, don't say it.

 

[skookerasbil]

Indeed, Daveboy, you are making a mockery of the idea that Conservatives have any brains at all.

The 'cultists' include virtually every Scientific Society on this planet, every National Academy of Science, and every major University. NASA, NOAA, USGS, and every like agency of other nations have vast amounts of data demonstrating the warming of our planet.

It is people like yourself that are cultists, refusing to look at or try to understand the data the scientists are presenting.

 

[boedicca]

Oh No. The Sun is HOT!

We're all gonna die.

 

[skookerasbil]

This just in..................

Who knew?? Of course the Mars ice caps are melting..............scientists are now reporting that in fact, it is due to SUV volume in high traffic area's in the Northern Hemisphere of the planet.

Who knew??? But now it makes sense...................

 

[skookerasbil]

IDK????

Given the certainty of global warming being due to levels of pollution in the earth.........according to the alarmists in here like Rolling Thunder, Rocks, Chris, Edcynic et. al...........thus the massive loss of ice in the Arctic.......then accordingly, we should be seeing cars, planes, trains, cows and smokestacks on the surface of Mars, right???

Now..........my eyes arent the best, but does anybody else see any man made or Martian made shit on the surface of Mars from the pic below???

 

[RWatt]

I don't understand the mars thing.

The mars ice cap is made of frozen CO2. Because Mars has a high temperature variation between seasons the ice cap largely melts away in summer and then comes back in winter.

There will be a trend with the solar cycle, but there is no known longterm warming or cooling trend on mars because there have not been sufficient observations made.

 

[konradv]

I don't understand the mars thing.

The mars ice cap is made of frozen CO2. Because Mars has a high temperature variation between seasons the ice cap largely melts away in summer and then comes back in winter.There will be a trend with the solar cycle, but there is no known longterm warming or cooling trend on mars because there have not been sufficient observations made.

But the skeptics would tell you it's exactly the same as earth!!! Since it melts away on Mars due to the sun, it MUST BE the same on earth. As you can see, the skeptics are short on logic. Just because a given effect has one cause here, doesn't mean it couldn't have a different cause elsewhere.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Long term trend on planet Earth the past 14,000 years has been that glaciers have been melting.

AGW Cultists pretend Earth reached some "steady state" in 1850 and mankind alone restated glacial melting.

It's just not science.

 

[konradv]

Long term trend on planet Earth the past 14,000 years has been that glaciers have been melting.

AGW Cultists pretend Earth reached some "steady state" in 1850 and mankind alone restated glacial melting.

It's just not science.[/QUOTE]

But your statement, is just not true. You know why AGW is believed, you just don't want to discuss it, so you left it out to spout some "cult" drivel. Intellectual dishonesty, Frank.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Long term trend on planet Earth the past 14,000 years has been that glaciers have been melting.

AGW Cultists pretend Earth reached some "steady state" in 1850 and mankind alone restated glacial melting.

It's just not science.[/QUOTE]

But your statement, is just not true. You know why AGW is believed, you just don't want to discuss it, so you left it out to spout some "cult" drivel. Intellectual dishonesty, Frank.

Believed? AGW has to be believed?

 

[daveman]

Believed? AGW has to be believed?

It does for the goal of world socialism to be realized.

 

[Big Fitz]

Long term trend on planet Earth the past 14,000 years has been that glaciers have been melting.

AGW Cultists pretend Earth reached some "steady state" in 1850 and mankind alone restated glacial melting.

It's just not science.[/QUOTE]

But your statement, is just not true. You know why AGW is believed, you just don't want to discuss it, so you left it out to spout some "cult" drivel. Intellectual dishonesty, Frank.

Uhhhh... newsflash for you buckwheat, Science is not about belief. It is about factual evidence that is able to be repeated. You have once again proven AGW is a religion with no more science to it, than scientific 'proofs' of God.

You have once again, exposed yourself, and the officer should come and take you away from polite society so you never bother the nice ladies again.

 

[k2skier]

Explain this one warmers:

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says



Or is this another one of those times we need to conveniently leave out science?

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.


Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.


Mars and Earth are too different to compare, lame strawman, even for republicans, laughable...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Explain this one warmers:

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says



Or is this another one of those times we need to conveniently leave out science?

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.


Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.


Mars and Earth are too different to compare, lame strawman, even for republicans, laughable...

Can you post one (1) repeatable laboratory experiment that verifies that a 60PPM increase in CO2 does ANY of the things you claim it does?

If not, why not?

 

[freshie]

****sealevel.colorado.edu/content/new-web-site-new-sea-level-release*** (can't post links yet)

As we are becoming better at measuring global temperatures, it's becoming clear the AGW models are breaking down rather quickly. The new frontier for the warmist crowd is that the oceans will rise up and swallow us.

The link above shows the source of this grossly exaggerated ocean rising.

It's pretty funny. The warmist crowd is pushing the whole ocean swallowing us thing and their commander in chief (Al Gore) just bought a $9,000,000.00 ocean front property.

I have to hand it to the guy. He is one of the most brilliant salesman of all time. He and his cohorts are making billions of dollars. His marketing plan is brilliant. The simplicity of his plan is based on only one element which is the hubris of Humanity. The funniest part of his plan is that he is extracting the most money from his blind followers.

 

[Meister]

****sealevel.colorado.edu/content/new-web-site-new-sea-level-release*** (can't post links yet)

As we are becoming better at measuring global temperatures, it's becoming clear the AGW models are breaking down rather quickly. The new frontier for the warmist crowd is that the oceans will rise up and swallow us.

The link above shows the source of this grossly exaggerated ocean rising.

It's pretty funny. The warmist crowd is pushing the whole ocean swallowing us thing and their commander in chief (Al Gore) just bought a $9,000,000.00 ocean front property.

I have to hand it to the guy. He is one of the most brilliant salesman of all time. He and his cohorts are making billions of dollars. His marketing plan is brilliant. The simplicity of his plan is based on only one element which is the hubris of Humanity. The funniest part of his plan is that he is extracting the most money from his blind followers.

Here you go:
New web site - new sea level release | CU Sea Level Research Group

 

[Old Rocks]

New web site - new sea level release | CU Sea Level Research Group

GMSL Rate Updates
CU: 3.1 ± 0.4 mm/yr
AVISO: 3.25 ± 0.6 mm/yr
CSIRO: 3.2 ± 0.4 mm/yr
NOAA: 3.2 ± 0.4 mm/yr (w/ GIA)

New web site - new sea level release
Page edited: 2011-05-05 Steve Nerem's blog Share CloseShareWelcome to the new webpages from the University of Colorado sea level group! We apologize for the delay in updating our sea level releases, but the transition to these new web pages took longer than we thought. In addition, we have made many improvements to our data (new orbits, new tide model, new corrections) which ultimately had little effect on global mean sea level, but brought us up to date with the latest advances in the field.

One important change in these releases is that we are now adding a correction of 0.3 mm/year due to Glacial Isostatic Adjustment (GIA), so you may notice that the rate of sea level rise is now 0.3 mm/year higher than earlier releases. This is a correction to account for the fact that the global ocean basins are getting slightly larger over time as mantle material moves from under the oceans into previously glaciated regions on land. Simply subtract 0.3 mm/year if you prefer to not include the GIA correction.

You may also note that rate of sea level rise over recent years has been less than the long-term average. This is believed to be due to the recent La Nina's we have been experiencing, though research on this is continuing. We will soon add a plot to the web site illustrating this effect.

Let us know if you spot any bugs in the new web pages. Thanks for your interest!

 

[Old Rocks]

:: Sea-level Rise :: CSIRO & ACECRC ::

Introduction
A very brief history of sea level:

Over the last 140,000 years sea level has varied over a range of more than 120 metres. The most recent large change was an increase of more than 120 metres as the last ice age ended
Sea level stabilised over the last few thousand years, and there was little change between about 1AD and 1800AD
Sea level began to rise again in the 19th century and accelerated again in the early 20th century
Satellite altimeter measurements show a rate of sea-level rise of about 3 mm/year since the early 1990s - a further increase in the rate