Global Carbon Dioxide Levels Topped 400 PPM Throughout March In Unprecedented Milestone

[Billy_Bob]

Back in the real world, pH is monitored, we see it dropping. Only shameless cult liars claim pH measurements are some kind of conspiracy. That would be Billy.

So Billy, how do you explain your hilarious fail on the El Nino? You know, how you told us in the fall it had already turned into a massive cooldown. Will you admit getting it wrong, or is that part of the big conspiracy as well.

Get a life liar. Any basic chemistry student can see your lies.

 

[mamooth]

When they avoided using water during upwelling, the problem was solved.

Yes, because the upwelling is more acidic.

Those upwellings never killed oysters before. What changed? Oh, that's right, they got even more acidic.

Incidentally, ocean upwelling brings up mercury, cesium and every other heavy chemical pollutant from the depths (probably snail bait too)

Yes, and nobody thought to test for such things. You're the first person in the world to think of testing for chemical contaminants. Go inform the oyster farmers of your brilliant insight, as they never ran such tests.

Oh wait. They did. And they found nothing.

 

[Treeshepherd]

Those upwellings never killed oysters before. What changed? Oh, that's right, they got even more acidic.

What has changed is a combo of over-harvesting of natural stock selecting out the largest and healthiest specimens, year-round factory-style hatchery farming using exotic species, increase of toxic chemicals, and yes, lower PH admittedly has something to do with it. But, to a globalwarmageddeonist, CO2 has everything to do with it and they'll lecture you about global warming's evil twin while they spread 2-4D on their lawns and own 4 cats which spread diseases to otters from their feces run-off.

Yes, and nobody thought to test for such things. You're the first person in the world to think of testing for chemical contaminants. Go inform the oyster farmers of your brilliant insight, as they never ran such tests.

Oh wait. They did. And they found nothing.

You would think it would be obvious, but in this CO2-obsessed media climate, many obvious things are overlooked. Who tested upwelling waters and found no signs of heavy chemical pollutants? Do you see what this carbon obsession is doing to your mind, mamooth? You actually just denied that heavy chemicals sink and later surface in upwellings. PCBs, tributyltin, brominated diphenyl ethers (BDEs) flame retardants, dichlorodiphenyl-trichloroethane (DDT) which continued to be used long after it was banned in the US, mercury, cesium, organic pollutants, pharmaceuticals, oil, chemical dispersant sprayed on oil spills, wood preservatives, paint, lead, etc...all ignored in lieu of global warming's evil twin.

Don't be a denier. Don't be an acceptor. Continue to think these issues through because they invariably are treated with oversimplification. That's the role of the skeptic.

 

[mamooth]

So your explanation is the oyster farmers are incompetent, don't know their business, and that you sitting at your computer are the real expert.

Good luck with that.

 

[Treeshepherd]

So your explanation is the oyster farmers are incompetent, don't know their business, and that you sitting at your computer are the real expert.

Good luck with that.

They're competent and successful in Humboldt Bay where acidity is not a problem, the pulp mill was closed, and great care is taken to monitor chemical run-off into the bay. The Oyster Festival is June 20th in Arcata.
Arcata Oyster Festival 2015 - 25th Anniversary
You should come on out. There will be music, food, beer, and fog which is crucial since Indy will be literally on fire from global warming in summer.

 

[Treeshepherd]

http://coalitiontoprotectpugetsound...2013/02/not-your-grandfathers-oyster-farm.pdf

The above linked story tells you everything you need to know about what's changed in oyster farming in the Puget Sound.
Everything changed in the 90s. The term "ocean acidification" was coined in 2003. The native Olympia oysters have been replaced with non-native 'domesticated' oyster clones that are poorly adapted to local conditions. It rains a lot in the NW, which lowers PH of the Sound (for which the natives were adapted), not to mention the acidifying effects of all the fertilizer runoff. The oysters are grown in PVC tubes. Sea grasses are killed off with pesticides. Other native 'pests*', plants and animals, are removed. What's left is a monoculture. The industry lobbies the governor, NOAA, and the Dept. of Ecology to expand these practices and blame all problems on 'ocean acidification'.

 

[flacaltenn]

When they avoided using water during upwelling, the problem was solved.

Yes, because the upwelling is more acidic.

Those upwellings never killed oysters before. What changed? Oh, that's right, they got even more acidic.

Incidentally, ocean upwelling brings up mercury, cesium and every other heavy chemical pollutant from the depths (probably snail bait too)

Yes, and nobody thought to test for such things. You're the first person in the world to think of testing for chemical contaminants. Go inform the oyster farmers of your brilliant insight, as they never ran such tests.

Oh wait. They did. And they found nothing.

And of course NOAA tried to kill baby oysters with MASSIVE doses of CO2 equivalent to many times the near future value AND THEY FAILED.

In fact, the little tykes did WORSE with lower pre-industrial levels of CO2 in their bath water..

What we know about NATURAL variations of PH is estuaries and bays isn't that great. MAYBE we should first fill in the knowledge gaps eh?

How damn embarrassing for the greedy oyster farmers who want to pump this Japanese creature into having sex year round in waters TOO COLD for the species to naturally propagate.

Let's put you nekkid into a really cold pale ale and demand you procreate. What do you think the result might be?

 

[Treeshepherd]

Worldwide (and US) oyster production is up, big time, despite the problems in the Gulf associated with the BP oil spill and zillions of gallons of agricultural run-off from the Mississippi.
Entrepreneur-driven US oyster industry growing on farm-to-table movement Undercurrent News

Despite high acidity from the rainy Olympic peninsula and run-off induced algae blooms, oyster production is up in the Puget Sound. The real bottleneck there is that Taylor Shellfish has run out of space to lease.

Willapa Bay is the most often cited anecdote of the oyster demise headlines. Contrary to the climate change memes, oyster production is up there as well.
Taylor Shellfish optimistic about Willapa Bay operations despite changing ocean conditions. - Chinook Observer

If you're an oyster farmer, which headline would you rather see?
a) oysters are impacted by bacteria, ag run-off and sewage
b) climate change

Climate change doesn't ruin your appetite, so that what you testify to reporters and Congress. Also, it makes the public feel sorry for you, being assaulted by climate change, and maybe you can get some corporate welfare or allowances for extreme agricultural tactics.

 

[mamooth]

One wonders what deniers are trying to prove with all the frantic cherrypicking. Are they under the impression that Henry's Law will go away if they wish hard enough?

 

[jc456]

One wonders what deniers are trying to prove with all the frantic cherrypicking. Are they under the impression that Henry's Law will go away if they wish hard enough?

no, just that you would go away. but it is what it is.