Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice

Jesus accepted secular government, but he certainly didn’t trust it to be the vehicle by which his own heavenly agenda was to be achieved. He wanted his faithful followers to choose freely to give and to share. Wallis, by contrast, seems to trust the state to compel generosity via forced redistribution rather than trusting individuals to do so out of obedience to God.

This is a “Christian leader”?

Finally, it’s hard to take Wallis seriously as a purveyor of Scriptural teaching when he is so selective in his own right. There is no Scriptural doctrine more dominant than that which states the only way to eternal life is through faith in Christ. When was the last time Jim Wallis preached on this? Or does he ignore that particular doctrine, pre-eminent though it is, because it doesn’t serve as a useful conversation point in the promotion of the political doctrine with which he associates?

The fact is that the needs of the poor can only be addressed as Christ intended by freely acting individuals within an economic system that produces prosperity, thus giving people the means to freely give.

If Wallis’s vision of social justice were to become policy in the United States, it would not only rob society of the wealth necessary to facilitate sharing, it would also rob individuals of the choice – and thus the opportunity – to give generously of their own accord, thus achieving obedience to God and spiritual fulfillment in their own right, which was always Christ’s plan for them when he commanded them to give.

Whether or not Wallis-style social justice is communism, as I guess Glenn Beck thinks, it is certainly not a Christ-centered doctrine, and it is a complete misappropriation of Scripture when a so-called “Christian leader” claims it is.

http://www.northstarnational.com/20...llis-wrong-social-justice-christian-doctrine/

Well said.
 
I have to admit, it is both interesting and hilarious to see some people sell their own religion up the river in order to defend Glenn Beck.

Guess Beck got his mission completed to some, he wanted them to leave one religion to join another, his. :eusa_whistle:
 
Jesus pointed to God as the solution to the problems of man. While he preached about how to live life... to be loving, charitable and hospitable, he never sided with manmade solutions to the enduring problems of man. He definitely stayed out of politics.

What a crock.

What do you think the beautides were all about?
 
You mean the Becker-head actually said that Nazi's are on the right? First "fact" I have heard him get right. Last I heard from him commies, and Nazi’s , liberals, and socialists were all the same.

Well, there's a lot of Christians on the left too.

Beck basically attacked all Christians. Perhaps he feels they should all convert to Mormonism?

The mormons are sayin they are sorry for beck.

Wallis says "Mormon leaders have called me today to apologize and to say they're embarrassed by" Beck's social justice comments

Wallis says "Mormon leaders have called me today to apologize and to say they're embarrassed by" Beck's social justice comments | Media Matters for America
 
Conscience First. Don't make have to go whoop Ass, now! ;););)



Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, "that religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable, because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also, because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considerd as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign. We maintain therefore that in matters of Religion, no man's right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance. True it is, that no other rule exists, by which any question which may divide a Society, can be ultimately determined, but the will of the majority; but it is also true that the majority may trespass on the rights of the minority.

Religious Freedom Page: Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, James Madison (1785)
 
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I still can't believe that anyone in this thread can claim Jesus wasn't political. To me, that's utterly indefensible.

He was crucified because he was a political threat. He upset the power balance of the local and world government...as well as the political status of the dominant religion of the day. His followers numbered in the thousands and his dictates (the habits and character practices he advocated followed without question) had a political effect. Furthermore, his rivals at the time (you didn't think Jesus was the only person vying for ruling the tea party movement of the day (anti-establishment cause)?) could be counted on 2 hands. One of them even winning several battles against Rome (Simon).

Yeah, he was political alright.
 
There are lots of examples in the bible where Jesus refers to giving to the poor, the meek inheriting the earth, or situations where the man gave out equal portions of things to everyone (fish and bread come to mind).

Now, here's my question:

Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting the basic tenets of capitalism?

He certainly didn't like the money lenders.
 
Your intrepetation is always bastardized. And your claims that you win every argument are evidence of narcissism, not accuracy.

I dare you to back that up with SCRIPTURE instead of your laughable fucking opinion. come on, Baba... don't let this ATHEIST school you on your own fucking faith!
Did you have that scripture were Jesus tells people to grow the government and make charity its job?
What happened to separation between Church and state?

I can quote plenty of scripture where jebus suggests giving away all of your money to charity and following him along a path to the kingdom of heaven if you need to see some posted. Please, spare me your silliness and post jesus's Pro-capitalism message. I can't wait to see it.


and yes, if Rome would be been busy helping the poor then you probably wouldn't be as afraid of lions as you are today.

Hell, jesus didn't talk about government outside of giving unto ceasar what was ceasars. But, I have to say, it's fun as an atheist to watch spiritual pussies try to force their politics into the message of jebus.


seriously.
 
Jesus accepted secular government, but he certainly didn’t trust it to be the vehicle by which his own heavenly agenda was to be achieved. He wanted his faithful followers to choose freely to give and to share. Wallis, by contrast, seems to trust the state to compel generosity via forced redistribution rather than trusting individuals to do so out of obedience to God.

This is a “Christian leader”?

Finally, it’s hard to take Wallis seriously as a purveyor of Scriptural teaching when he is so selective in his own right. There is no Scriptural doctrine more dominant than that which states the only way to eternal life is through faith in Christ. When was the last time Jim Wallis preached on this? Or does he ignore that particular doctrine, pre-eminent though it is, because it doesn’t serve as a useful conversation point in the promotion of the political doctrine with which he associates?

The fact is that the needs of the poor can only be addressed as Christ intended by freely acting individuals within an economic system that produces prosperity, thus giving people the means to freely give.


If Wallis’s vision of social justice were to become policy in the United States, it would not only rob society of the wealth necessary to facilitate sharing, it would also rob individuals of the choice – and thus the opportunity – to give generously of their own accord, thus achieving obedience to God and spiritual fulfillment in their own right, which was always Christ’s plan for them when he commanded them to give.

Whether or not Wallis-style social justice is communism, as I guess Glenn Beck thinks, it is certainly not a Christ-centered doctrine, and it is a complete misappropriation of Scripture when a so-called “Christian leader” claims it is.

Glenn Beck can defend himself, but here’s why Jim Wallis is wrong about ’social justice’ as a Christian doctrine | The North Star National

Well said.

I DEFY you to post scripture suggesting anything even remotely true.

:rofl:


wow.

tellme again what jebus did with moneychangers in the temple... you know, selling offerings on site for a reasonable markup...


:rofl:
 
There are lots of examples in the bible where Jesus refers to giving to the poor, the meek inheriting the earth, or situations where the man gave out equal portions of things to everyone (fish and bread come to mind).

Now, here's my question:

Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting the basic tenets of capitalism?

He certainly didn't like the money lenders.

A rich man has a greater chance of getting into heaven than putting a camel through the eye of a needle.

Kind of a political statement.....
 
There are lots of examples in the bible where Jesus refers to giving to the poor, the meek inheriting the earth, or situations where the man gave out equal portions of things to everyone (fish and bread come to mind).

Now, here's my question:

Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting the basic tenets of capitalism?

He certainly didn't like the money lenders.

Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting abortion?
Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting mandatory charity?

I didn't think so.
 
I think both sides bring up good points.

Jesus wasn't out for profit...but he was for free will and giving because you wanted to.

How about neither side try to lay claim to Jesus and we be done with it?
 

That first link seems to be selling some books, no examples there, and I'm not buying his books.

I didn't say that Jesus was a "Socialist", which is what the fellow seems to be refuting, only that many of the ideas he expressed were "Social Justice" ideas (to put it in Glenn Beck terms) and definitely NOT capitalist.

I don't really think that capitalism is necessarily "anti-Jesus", but he wasn't really a supporter, or if he was definitely not an outspoken one, which would be odd for someone who was so generally outspoken.
 
I think both sides bring up good points.

Jesus wasn't out for profit...but he was for free will and giving because you wanted to.

How about neither side try to lay claim to Jesus and we be done with it?

Works for me. I just brought it up because of Beck's comments.
 
Jesus accepted secular government, but he certainly didn’t trust it to be the vehicle by which his own heavenly agenda was to be achieved. He wanted his faithful followers to choose freely to give and to share. Wallis, by contrast, seems to trust the state to compel generosity via forced redistribution rather than trusting individuals to do so out of obedience to God.

This is a “Christian leader”?

Finally, it’s hard to take Wallis seriously as a purveyor of Scriptural teaching when he is so selective in his own right. There is no Scriptural doctrine more dominant than that which states the only way to eternal life is through faith in Christ. When was the last time Jim Wallis preached on this? Or does he ignore that particular doctrine, pre-eminent though it is, because it doesn’t serve as a useful conversation point in the promotion of the political doctrine with which he associates?

The fact is that the needs of the poor can only be addressed as Christ intended by freely acting individuals within an economic system that produces prosperity, thus giving people the means to freely give.


If Wallis’s vision of social justice were to become policy in the United States, it would not only rob society of the wealth necessary to facilitate sharing, it would also rob individuals of the choice – and thus the opportunity – to give generously of their own accord, thus achieving obedience to God and spiritual fulfillment in their own right, which was always Christ’s plan for them when he commanded them to give.

Whether or not Wallis-style social justice is communism, as I guess Glenn Beck thinks, it is certainly not a Christ-centered doctrine, and it is a complete misappropriation of Scripture when a so-called “Christian leader” claims it is.

Glenn Beck can defend himself, but here’s why Jim Wallis is wrong about ’social justice’ as a Christian doctrine | The North Star National

Well said.

I DEFY you to post scripture suggesting anything even remotely true.

:rofl:


wow.

tellme again what jebus did with moneychangers in the temple... you know, selling offerings on site for a reasonable markup...


:rofl:

Irrational gibberish.
 
There are lots of examples in the bible where Jesus refers to giving to the poor, the meek inheriting the earth, or situations where the man gave out equal portions of things to everyone (fish and bread come to mind).

Now, here's my question:

Can someone point out one example of Jesus supporting the basic tenets of capitalism?

He certainly didn't like the money lenders.

Really? Im looking at those specific passages and it says nothing about equal portions. Quite the Opposite actually. He broke the bread and they all ate until they were full.

Now I dont know about you, but I dont have the same apetite as say a supermodel. I need alittle more sustanence. So what fills her wouldnt fill me. I would guess this is the same for most men.

It wasnt a miracle that He fed five thousand or four thousand people. The miracle was that He fed them and they were full afterwards. So He gave to everyone according to their needs. He did not give the same amount to everyone.

Have you ever read the Parable of the talents?
 
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I think both sides bring up good points.

Jesus wasn't out for profit...but he was for free will and giving because you wanted to.

How about neither side try to lay claim to Jesus and we be done with it?

Im not going to stop laying claim to Jesus. He is my Savior.

You see He, unlike the government, can deliver what I need.
 

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