Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Not once..in either post, is immigration mentioned...so fuck off!

You want to discuss anti-immigrant parties without discussing immigration?

As hard as it might be for someone of your breeding, you might at least try to show a bit of class from time to time.

Yeah...coming from you , that's a bit of a hoot, eh? Call me a twat...but admonish me for being classless---is typical of your breed.

BTW..not everything in Europe is about immigration..it's a hot button issue, to be sure..but there are other issues that the uber-nationalists are about, as well. Some of them are about smaller govt.--most of them are about anti-socialism. Some are about leaving the EU..some are not. It's a nuanced sort of thing..unlike the cowbell-like anti-immigration stance of some here.

 

[protectionist]

Not once..in either post, is immigration mentioned...so fuck off!

But irresponsibly lax immigration policies are what, in large part, have turned Europe into the continental train wreck that they now are. It is also at the base of what is making regime change occur, whether a US ambassador says one word about it or not.

Europeans aren't stupid. They know what is making a mess out of their countries, and they know who is to blame for it.

 

[Godboy]

Exclusive: Trump's Right Hand Man in Europe Wants To ‘Empower’ European Anti-Establishment Conservatives

Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across Europe

This is interesting--Trump seems to be unafraid of promoting regime change in Europe..I guess if he were successful, it wold be good for the US? But right now..He's just pissing them off.

I'm trying something new here..both a RW and LW link:
RW-
Trumpian U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell has expressed great excitement over the wave of conservatism in Europe, saying he wants to “empower” leaders of the movement.

At a sit-down interview at his official residence in Berlin with Breitbart London, Ambassador Grenell said: “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”


“I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left,” he added.
“There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.”


The U.S. ambassador spoke of the small circle of political and media elites saying, “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.”


Since the presidential race in 2016, the German media has largely been united against President Trump, with some publications, like magazine Der Spiegel, going to extremes, publishing a cover featuring the president decapitating the Statue of Liberty.


LW-
The German government demanded a formal explanation from the United States on Monday of what, exactly, the new U.S. ambassador in Berlin, Richard Grenell, meant when he promised to use his office to help far-right nationalists inspired by Donald Trump take power across Europe.


In an interview with Breitbart News, published on Sunday, Grenell said he was “excited” by the rise of far-right parties on the continent and wanted “to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders.”


US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell makes clear he is a political activist who will use his position to promote political change in his host country (and all over Europe). Tom Wright on Twitter


— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) June 3, 2018

Grenell was apparently not asked if that group includes the far-right Alternative for Germany — known by its German initials AfD — the largest opposition party in the German parliament, but he did praise Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a center-right politician who is in coalition with the Freedom Party, which was formed in the 1950s by a former Nazi officer.


A spokesperson for the German foreign ministry told reporters that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government had “asked the U.S. side for clarification” as to whether the remarks “were made as reported.”


Grenell, a former Fox News pundit whose abrasive Twitter style had already alienated many Germans, tweeted on Monday that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that he would endorse candidates or parties, but stood by his claim to Breitbart that Europe, like America, was “experiencing an awakening from the silent majority — those who reject the elites and their bubble. Led by Trump.”

Regime change? I think you should look these terms up before you publicly use them improperly.

When you publicly advocate for a change of govt.--that's drastically different in goals--that's regime change also..it does not have to be illegally..or in a revolutionary sense. Now that you've attempted to correct me..perhaps a comment of the gist of the thread?
Regime change - Wikipedia
In addition to the above uses, the term 'regime change' can also be used in a more general sense, particularly in academic work, to refer to a change in political institutions or laws that affect the nature of the system as a whole. For example, the end of the Bretton Woods system was a regime change in the international system, as was the repeal of the National Mandatory Speed Limit in the United States. Regime changes are often viewed as ideal opportunities for natural experiments by social scientists

So you consider it regime change when Trump won the election?

 

[Taz]

We should have nuked them at the end of WWII.

 

[Meathead]

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Not once..in either post, is immigration mentioned...so fuck off!

You want to discuss anti-immigrant parties without discussing immigration?

As hard as it might be for someone of your breeding, you might at least try to show a bit of class from time to time.

Yeah...coming from you , that's a bit of a hoot, eh? Call me a twat...but admonish me for being classless---is typical of your breed.

BTW..not everything in Europe is about immigration..it's a hot button issue, to be sure..but there are other issues that the uber-nationalists are about, as well. Some of them are about smaller govt.--most of them are about anti-socialism. Some are about leaving the EU..some are not. It's a nuanced sort of thing..unlike the cowbell-like anti-immigration stance of some here.

Trust me, some twat in Idaho is not going to inform me about European political matters any more than I would inform said twat how to grow potatoes.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Exclusive: Trump's Right Hand Man in Europe Wants To ‘Empower’ European Anti-Establishment Conservatives

Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across Europe

This is interesting--Trump seems to be unafraid of promoting regime change in Europe..I guess if he were successful, it wold be good for the US? But right now..He's just pissing them off.

I'm trying something new here..both a RW and LW link:
RW-
Trumpian U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell has expressed great excitement over the wave of conservatism in Europe, saying he wants to “empower” leaders of the movement.

At a sit-down interview at his official residence in Berlin with Breitbart London, Ambassador Grenell said: “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”


“I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left,” he added.
“There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.”


The U.S. ambassador spoke of the small circle of political and media elites saying, “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.”


Since the presidential race in 2016, the German media has largely been united against President Trump, with some publications, like magazine Der Spiegel, going to extremes, publishing a cover featuring the president decapitating the Statue of Liberty.


LW-
The German government demanded a formal explanation from the United States on Monday of what, exactly, the new U.S. ambassador in Berlin, Richard Grenell, meant when he promised to use his office to help far-right nationalists inspired by Donald Trump take power across Europe.


In an interview with Breitbart News, published on Sunday, Grenell said he was “excited” by the rise of far-right parties on the continent and wanted “to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders.”


US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell makes clear he is a political activist who will use his position to promote political change in his host country (and all over Europe). Tom Wright on Twitter


— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) June 3, 2018

Grenell was apparently not asked if that group includes the far-right Alternative for Germany — known by its German initials AfD — the largest opposition party in the German parliament, but he did praise Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a center-right politician who is in coalition with the Freedom Party, which was formed in the 1950s by a former Nazi officer.


A spokesperson for the German foreign ministry told reporters that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government had “asked the U.S. side for clarification” as to whether the remarks “were made as reported.”


Grenell, a former Fox News pundit whose abrasive Twitter style had already alienated many Germans, tweeted on Monday that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that he would endorse candidates or parties, but stood by his claim to Breitbart that Europe, like America, was “experiencing an awakening from the silent majority — those who reject the elites and their bubble. Led by Trump.”

Regime change? I think you should look these terms up before you publicly use them improperly.

When you publicly advocate for a change of govt.--that's drastically different in goals--that's regime change also..it does not have to be illegally..or in a revolutionary sense. Now that you've attempted to correct me..perhaps a comment of the gist of the thread?
Regime change - Wikipedia
In addition to the above uses, the term 'regime change' can also be used in a more general sense, particularly in academic work, to refer to a change in political institutions or laws that affect the nature of the system as a whole. For example, the end of the Bretton Woods system was a regime change in the international system, as was the repeal of the National Mandatory Speed Limit in the United States. Regime changes are often viewed as ideal opportunities for natural experiments by social scientists

So you consider it regime change when Trump won the election?

That actually..is a good question..whether you know it or not. I think it remains to be seen..thus far..i think not--as his policies and attitudes have not been internalized by our govt. and our system of govt. has not...yet..been materially changed. If he pardons himself and it flies..if the office of the Presidency is morphed into something that was not envisioned...then yeah--we'll see.

If a far right party gained power in Germany..after the long succession of left-wing govt.--and Germany left the EU..IMO..that would constitute regime change.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Hmmm...I'm guessing that my experiment of giving both sides equal time..was a flop..live and learn.
I find it interesting that most of you go straight to immigration..even though it was not the thrust of the post.

That was indeed the "thrust of the post". Quit being such an disingenuous twat.

Not once..in either post, is immigration mentioned...so fuck off!

You want to discuss anti-immigrant parties without discussing immigration?

As hard as it might be for someone of your breeding, you might at least try to show a bit of class from time to time.

Yeah...coming from you , that's a bit of a hoot, eh? Call me a twat...but admonish me for being classless---is typical of your breed.

BTW..not everything in Europe is about immigration..it's a hot button issue, to be sure..but there are other issues that the uber-nationalists are about, as well. Some of them are about smaller govt.--most of them are about anti-socialism. Some are about leaving the EU..some are not. It's a nuanced sort of thing..unlike the cowbell-like anti-immigration stance of some here.

Trust me, some twat in Idaho is not going to inform me about European political matters any more than I would inform said twat how to grow potatoes.

Always with the potatoes...LOL! Well, you have your axe to grind..it does not mean that you are all that knowledgeable..it just means you can put a patina of authenticity on your bullshit. You do seem fixated on that twat word..do you know how funny that sounds? Probably not. Rock on..Meatmouth. We can exchange juvenile insults forever i guess..having read your posts before..it is kind of your hallmark.

 

[Godboy]

Exclusive: Trump's Right Hand Man in Europe Wants To ‘Empower’ European Anti-Establishment Conservatives

Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across Europe

This is interesting--Trump seems to be unafraid of promoting regime change in Europe..I guess if he were successful, it wold be good for the US? But right now..He's just pissing them off.

I'm trying something new here..both a RW and LW link:
RW-
Trumpian U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell has expressed great excitement over the wave of conservatism in Europe, saying he wants to “empower” leaders of the movement.

At a sit-down interview at his official residence in Berlin with Breitbart London, Ambassador Grenell said: “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”


“I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left,” he added.
“There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.”


The U.S. ambassador spoke of the small circle of political and media elites saying, “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.”


Since the presidential race in 2016, the German media has largely been united against President Trump, with some publications, like magazine Der Spiegel, going to extremes, publishing a cover featuring the president decapitating the Statue of Liberty.


LW-
The German government demanded a formal explanation from the United States on Monday of what, exactly, the new U.S. ambassador in Berlin, Richard Grenell, meant when he promised to use his office to help far-right nationalists inspired by Donald Trump take power across Europe.


In an interview with Breitbart News, published on Sunday, Grenell said he was “excited” by the rise of far-right parties on the continent and wanted “to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders.”


US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell makes clear he is a political activist who will use his position to promote political change in his host country (and all over Europe). Tom Wright on Twitter


— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) June 3, 2018

Grenell was apparently not asked if that group includes the far-right Alternative for Germany — known by its German initials AfD — the largest opposition party in the German parliament, but he did praise Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a center-right politician who is in coalition with the Freedom Party, which was formed in the 1950s by a former Nazi officer.


A spokesperson for the German foreign ministry told reporters that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government had “asked the U.S. side for clarification” as to whether the remarks “were made as reported.”


Grenell, a former Fox News pundit whose abrasive Twitter style had already alienated many Germans, tweeted on Monday that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that he would endorse candidates or parties, but stood by his claim to Breitbart that Europe, like America, was “experiencing an awakening from the silent majority — those who reject the elites and their bubble. Led by Trump.”

Regime change? I think you should look these terms up before you publicly use them improperly.

When you publicly advocate for a change of govt.--that's drastically different in goals--that's regime change also..it does not have to be illegally..or in a revolutionary sense. Now that you've attempted to correct me..perhaps a comment of the gist of the thread?
Regime change - Wikipedia
In addition to the above uses, the term 'regime change' can also be used in a more general sense, particularly in academic work, to refer to a change in political institutions or laws that affect the nature of the system as a whole. For example, the end of the Bretton Woods system was a regime change in the international system, as was the repeal of the National Mandatory Speed Limit in the United States. Regime changes are often viewed as ideal opportunities for natural experiments by social scientists

So you consider it regime change when Trump won the election?

That actually..is a good question..whether you know it or not. I think it remains to be seen..thus far..i think not--as his policies and attitudes have not been internalized by our govt. and our system of govt. has not...yet..been materially changed. If he pardons himself and it flies..if the office of the Presidency is morphed into something that was not envisioned...then yeah--we'll see.

If a far right party gained power in Germany..after the long succession of left-wing govt.--and Germany left the EU..IMO..that would constitute regime change.

Losing an election is not regime change. Forcefully removing a leader and his government is regime change.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Exclusive: Trump's Right Hand Man in Europe Wants To ‘Empower’ European Anti-Establishment Conservatives

Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across Europe

This is interesting--Trump seems to be unafraid of promoting regime change in Europe..I guess if he were successful, it wold be good for the US? But right now..He's just pissing them off.

I'm trying something new here..both a RW and LW link:
RW-
Trumpian U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell has expressed great excitement over the wave of conservatism in Europe, saying he wants to “empower” leaders of the movement.

At a sit-down interview at his official residence in Berlin with Breitbart London, Ambassador Grenell said: “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”


“I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left,” he added.
“There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.”


The U.S. ambassador spoke of the small circle of political and media elites saying, “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.”


Since the presidential race in 2016, the German media has largely been united against President Trump, with some publications, like magazine Der Spiegel, going to extremes, publishing a cover featuring the president decapitating the Statue of Liberty.


LW-
The German government demanded a formal explanation from the United States on Monday of what, exactly, the new U.S. ambassador in Berlin, Richard Grenell, meant when he promised to use his office to help far-right nationalists inspired by Donald Trump take power across Europe.


In an interview with Breitbart News, published on Sunday, Grenell said he was “excited” by the rise of far-right parties on the continent and wanted “to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders.”


US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell makes clear he is a political activist who will use his position to promote political change in his host country (and all over Europe). Tom Wright on Twitter


— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) June 3, 2018

Grenell was apparently not asked if that group includes the far-right Alternative for Germany — known by its German initials AfD — the largest opposition party in the German parliament, but he did praise Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a center-right politician who is in coalition with the Freedom Party, which was formed in the 1950s by a former Nazi officer.


A spokesperson for the German foreign ministry told reporters that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government had “asked the U.S. side for clarification” as to whether the remarks “were made as reported.”


Grenell, a former Fox News pundit whose abrasive Twitter style had already alienated many Germans, tweeted on Monday that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that he would endorse candidates or parties, but stood by his claim to Breitbart that Europe, like America, was “experiencing an awakening from the silent majority — those who reject the elites and their bubble. Led by Trump.”

"We're angry, Mr. Trump! We Germans are very angry!"

 

[Tommy Tainant]

American ambassador encouraging far right extremists in .............................................Germany. What could go wrong ?

 

[theHawk]

Exclusive: Trump's Right Hand Man in Europe Wants To ‘Empower’ European Anti-Establishment Conservatives

Germans Appalled by Threat From Trump’s Ambassador to Help Far-Right Nationalists Take Power Across Europe

This is interesting--Trump seems to be unafraid of promoting regime change in Europe..I guess if he were successful, it wold be good for the US? But right now..He's just pissing them off.

I'm trying something new here..both a RW and LW link:
RW-
Trumpian U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell has expressed great excitement over the wave of conservatism in Europe, saying he wants to “empower” leaders of the movement.

At a sit-down interview at his official residence in Berlin with Breitbart London, Ambassador Grenell said: “There are a lot of conservatives throughout Europe who have contacted me to say they are feeling there is a resurgence going on.”


“I absolutely want to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders. I think there is a groundswell of conservative policies that are taking hold because of the failed policies of the left,” he added.
“There’s no question about that and it’s an exciting time for me. I look across the landscape and we’ve got a lot of work to do but I think the election of Donald Trump has empowered individuals and people to say that they can’t just allow the political class to determine before an election takes place, who’s going to win and who should run.”


The U.S. ambassador spoke of the small circle of political and media elites saying, “That’s a very powerful moment when you can grasp the ability to see past the group-think of a very small elitist crowd telling you you have no chance to win or you’ll never win, or they mock you early on.”


Since the presidential race in 2016, the German media has largely been united against President Trump, with some publications, like magazine Der Spiegel, going to extremes, publishing a cover featuring the president decapitating the Statue of Liberty.


LW-
The German government demanded a formal explanation from the United States on Monday of what, exactly, the new U.S. ambassador in Berlin, Richard Grenell, meant when he promised to use his office to help far-right nationalists inspired by Donald Trump take power across Europe.


In an interview with Breitbart News, published on Sunday, Grenell said he was “excited” by the rise of far-right parties on the continent and wanted “to empower other conservatives throughout Europe, other leaders.”


US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell makes clear he is a political activist who will use his position to promote political change in his host country (and all over Europe). Tom Wright on Twitter


— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) June 3, 2018

Grenell was apparently not asked if that group includes the far-right Alternative for Germany — known by its German initials AfD — the largest opposition party in the German parliament, but he did praise Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a center-right politician who is in coalition with the Freedom Party, which was formed in the 1950s by a former Nazi officer.


A spokesperson for the German foreign ministry told reporters that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government had “asked the U.S. side for clarification” as to whether the remarks “were made as reported.”


Grenell, a former Fox News pundit whose abrasive Twitter style had already alienated many Germans, tweeted on Monday that it was “ridiculous” to suggest that he would endorse candidates or parties, but stood by his claim to Breitbart that Europe, like America, was “experiencing an awakening from the silent majority — those who reject the elites and their bubble. Led by Trump.”

The only Germans “appalled” are left wing lunatics that welcome Muslims with open arms and make excuses for them when they carry out terror attacks and rape German women.

 

[theHawk]

American ambassador encouraging far right extremists in .............................................Germany. What could go wrong ?

The only “far right extremists” in Germany are the Muslims that traitors like you defend.

 

[Claudette]

Well Germany is loaded with members of the death cult. I'm sure many of the German citizens are sick of them.

Merkel is the idiot who allowed them all in because she wanted to be known as a great humanitarian and a caring person. Doubt she considered what it would cost the taxpayers of German. I doubt she would have cared.

I doubt many German citizens agree with her. If they do then they have gotten just what they deserve.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I just want Germany to be able to exterminate mongrel hordes of blacks and muslims -- whatever political party is closest to doing that, that is the party I support -- darkies are scum

 

[August West]

I just want Germany to be able to exterminate mongrel hordes of blacks and muslims -- whatever political party is closest to doing that, that is the party I support -- darkies are scum

The voice of the trailer park speaks!

 

[Preacher]

Already a thread on this 2 days old in politics. Jeez

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump has always been a Euro-Fascist.