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[Toddsterpatriot]

he chases him in his vehicle
.....then he chases him on foot !!! Zim is aggressively chasing him and won't stop chasing him..so TM HAS to stand his ground

so TM HAS to stand his ground

If you get the chance, please explain the legal definition of "stand his ground".

Thanks!

 

[blastoff]

I listened to the entire trial. I recall this being a pretty fascinating case with a very unfortunate set of circumstances. IMO both Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman both caused the outcome.

A few points:
- Zimmerman was not on duty that night as Neighborhood Watch captain.
- Martin was walking down a sidewalk between houses that led directly to his house.
- Zimmerman left his car after Trayvon circled his vehicle to follow him. Police told Zimmerman they didn't need him to do this.
- Martin attacked Zimmerman after confronting him. (Zimmerman's account, obviously not Martin's)

Why does Martin not just keep walking to his house? The possible answer: maybe he doesn't want this person following him knowing where he lives. Or maybe he felt disrespected. We'll never know.

Why does Zimmerman follow him when he's not on duty and packing a weapon? Was Zimmerman playing cop? Or was Zimmerman just trying to ascertain where Martin is? But seriously, why does Zimmerman care? He's not on duty. Martin is aware of his presence and likely not breaking into anyone's house even if that were his intention. Worst of all, why does Zimmerman proceed down a dimly lit sidewalk?

At the end of the day the prosecutor totally over reached with 2nd degree murder. They never had a prayer of proving 2nd degree. Voluntary (or involuntary) manslaughter was more likely to stick. I think they could have proven Zimmerman had no intention on killing Martin, but through his actions caused the outcome. Unfortunately the usual race accusations along with public pressure surfaced and the entire case spiraled out of control.

Yours is not the worst analysis I have seen and in fact you make a couple of relevant points but overall your score is not good.

I will take it apart now point by point.

Whether or not Z was on duty that night is totally irrelevant...he was a citizen of that community and he was entirely correct to report a suspicious person in the area....you have to remember this is something Z had done numerous times...and never had a problem aka observe a suspicious person and report it to the police...nothing would have happened if Trayvon had remained on the scene and wited till the police arrived, nothing would have happened if when Trayvon ran off...he had gone home and stayed there.

It makes no difference where Trayvon was walking...it was a dark and rainy night...a normal innocent person would have been hurrying home...not lollygagging about in a complex plagued with burglaries and home invasions not to mention peering into windows.

Thus he attracted the attention of Zimmerman as a suspicious person. Thus Zimmerman reported it.

Zimmerman actually had completely lost sight of Trayvon shortly after he took off running...Z was on the phone with dispatach when Trayvon took off...he told dispatch...he is running...dispatch axed...which way he is going...since Z could not see he got out of his truck and started walking in the last direction he saw trayvon headed to try and confirm to dispatch which way he was going...dispatch heard the wind in Z's phone and axed him...are you following the suspect...Z replied yes...dispatch said...'we do not need you to do tht' Z said o.k. and stopped. Then dispatch axed Z for his exact address so they could direct the police to the exact location....Z could not see any house numbers since it was a dark and rainy night....he told the dispatcher to have the police call him directly so he could tell them exactly where he was...

then as he was headed back to his truck he was confronted by Trayvon...who had doubled back to confront Z....trayvon axed him if he had a problem....Z said no took out his phone to call dispatch and Trayvon sucker punched him while he was trying to make the phone call.

The old lame assertion that Z would follow trayvon to his house is always trotted out....Trayvon had completely eluded Z...Z had no idea where trayvon was and it would have been impossible for him to follow him to his house

The best theory as to why trayvon went back and assaulted George is supported by Trayvons g/f he was talking to on the phone...she said tray thought Z was a queer aka a homersexual....thus it is quite possible that tray being a homophobe attacked George because he looked gay to trayvon.

Z should not have been charged with anything.....the local police did a thorough investigation and cleared Z...that should have been the end of the affair.

Instead what happened was that Al Sharpton heard about the case and based on George's last name thought he was a jew...Al sharpton is a well known Jew hater....and he was incensed thinking a jew killed one of his homies. Not finding out till much later that Z was not a jew...was in fact a hispanic with a black grandfather.

But the ball was rolling...the feds at the bequest of attorney general eric holder backed by obama got involved and put pressure on Rick Scott the governor of Florida to indict Z....thus the ball picked up speed and the media jumped in with their photograph of trayvon when he was a very innocent looking l2 yr old and the public thought that was the way he looked the night of his murder and lots of people were outraged....because they really believed Trayon was still that innocent looking l2 yr. old.

The worst thing about this whole ridiculous affair was how some completely innocent white folk were attacked and some were killed by radical young blacks angry because Z was found not guilty....the media bears most of the responsibility for that as they did their best to stir up public emotions by spinning the facts, by putting out dis-information and by outright lying...to such an extent that their dupes still believe the crap the media put out....and you see them on here making fools of themselves.

No doubt the media was completely irresponsible and stoked the flames. No doubt Obama was irresponsible by saying Trayvon could have been his "son" before Zimmerman had his trial. Sharpton is a race baiter for sure.

But regardless of that unfortunate side show, I still think Zimmerman along with Martin caused the outcome.

Here's the map:

Zimmerman walked a pretty long way to merely ascertain Martin's location. He admitted to following Martin. Is following someone illegal? It's not if you're traveling in the same direction or lost. But Zimmerman was specially following Martin due to suspicion when we know Martin had every right to be there. In some places this could be considered stalking which is illegal, harassment, endangerment, or invasion of privacy. It doesn't matter what Martin was doing in the rain at night because he was staying in the development.

Furthermore, you mention Martin's girlfriend. According to her account Martin told the her that someone was following him and that he was trying to get away. The girl said that, during the phone call, she heard someone ask Martin what he was doing and heard Martin ask why the person was following him.

Based on the map and the fact that Zimmerman admitted to following Martin I find the girlfriend's account credible. I especially find her credible when she admits Martin referred to Zimmerman as queer. She's not trying to hide anything IMO.

We also know Zimmerman was carrying a gun. It's safe to say Zimmerman wasn't scared to walk down a dark sidewalk on a rainy night to confront someone.

IMO Zimmerman's overzealous actions to "catch" Martin led to the confrontation which led to Zimmerman firing his gun. I don't believe for second he was simply trying to observe to give police a location. He's to far from his car and the girlfriend heard some of what transpired. People in my neighborhood call police all the time about suspicious cars or people in the area. But no one follows anyone while packing a weapon. No one is playing cop claiming to "protect the neighborhood". That's a very dangerous game to play as Zimmerman found out. IMO Zimmerman was irresponsible with his actions which had to possibility to make anyone nervous.

It is not illegal to follow someone.....that has been pointed out already...especially for someone in law enforcement or In Z's case being a watchman....

if someone folllows a particular person all the time or day after day etc. then they can be accused of stalking....certainly not the case with Z.....actually Z at worst could be said to have attempted to follow Trayvon...Z was merely walking in the direction Trayvon had run off to...after trayvon ran off Z lost all sight of him. Z was simply trying to answer the dispatchers question of where did trayvon run off to?

Then after Z stopped trying to follow Trayvon the dispatcher axed Z for the exact address of the location where he was so they could direc the police to that particular spot....Z said he did not know...to have the police call him directly and he would tell them where he was...it was so dark he could not read the house numbers.....how many of us have experienced that...what do you do...go to a lighted area to try and see the address...that is what Z did.

Then when he started back to where his truck was parked Trayvon confronted him, sucker punched Z while he was trying to phone dispatch, jumped on top of him (per witness testimony) and began attacking him and banging his head on the sidewalk.

You need to watch the trial ...it is on video and the link has been posted....that would help you to see things more clearly. Everything is laid out...the time line and positions....and do not forget Trayvo had drugs in his system...proved by the toxicology report.

FBI Reports: Zimmerman not a racist

I listened to the entire trial live and watched all the news reports. My facts are crystal clear.

The only person that says Trayvon sucker punched him was Zimmerman himself. Trayvon Martin isn't here to give his version.

Zimmerman admitted to following Martin. Of course following someone is not illegal. But when you take into account his intent to not only follow Martin, but to confront him Zimmerman now becomes accountable for his actions. There is enough evidence to prove Zimmerman intended to confront Martin. Pursuing, confronting with the initiating a reaction while carrying a weapon against someone who had every right to be where he was makes Zimmerman accountable. 2nd degree murder? No way. Manslaughter? Yes. A competent prosecutor not swayed by public anger and a media with an agenda could have proven this.

Well then you recall that long four minutes of silence in the courtroom and why the defense attorney chose to do so.

 

[Faun]

Zimmerman clearly was the aggressor and IDIOT
........he is the perfect example of an idiot who should never have been armed because his idiocy CAUSED a death
..some humans are just stupid/idiots [ undeniable ] --and should not carry weapons

except the world is a better place without travon in it,,,,

Why? Because some mall cop wannabe wanted to flash his little pop gun and got his clock cleaned by a kid?

No, because the "kid" was the type of person to jump an adult and beat the shit out of him for no good reason.

You don't know that to be true.

If Crixus can just assume shit, then so can I.

Well at least you admit you’re full of shit. Good for you.

 

[Faun]

Your recollection of the facts are all weird. Zimmerman pursued the kid. The kid was within his rights to beat Zimmerman’s ass. Sadly, the little fag Zimmerman had to pack a gun to deal with a kid. Meh, Zimmerman May have walked, but seeing how he was reduced to selling the gun he killed the kid with, Zimmerman is paying for his crime. Wonder what he does for a living now?

1. Being followed is not a justification for violence.

2. That the neighborhood watch guy was not a match for the teenage football player, is not something for him ashamed of.

3. YOur homophobic slur is noted and held against you.

4. That you vile libs are targeting him for no reason, makes you all assholes.

1. No justification to follow. Broke first rule of CCW. Don’t go where trouble is.

2. Don’t start none won’t be none. Especially when you are advised by a 911 operator to stop following.

3. Blah, blah, blah. Stop being gay.


4. I love being called a vile lib. Dude should have went to prison for murder. That said, all Zimmerman’s troubles were brought on himself l, by him self. No one did it to him.

1. Unknown person matching a criminal's description in a gated community? Plenty of justification to follow and report.

2. Zimmerman was reckless. That is not a legally nor morally wrong, and does not justify violence.

3. According to lib theory, your homophobia means YOU are the gay one.

4. You support punishing a man who committed the "crime" of defending himself, and you are a liberal.

"Plenty of justification to follow and report."

As a member of the neighborhood watch, there was no justification to follow as members are instructed to observe and report only; not put themselves into harm's way.

IN point two, I agreed that Zimmerman was reckless, and then went on to point out that that was not legally or morally wrong and did not justify violence.


Zimmerman's recklessness, was not a crime, nor a justification for violent "self defense".

Good for you — there was still no justification to follow Martin. Police train Neighborhood Watch members to not do that. That’s why the 911 dispatcher tried to get Zimmerman to stop following Martin.

 

[Faun]

You don't know that to be true.

AHHH yes we do, because thats what he did,,,

No, you don't know that's what he did. All you know is what Zimmerman claimed as there were no other witnesses to the initial altercation.

Lookie here chump...if ya gonna come on here and make comments try and keep up.

This has already been presented.............2 Witnesses Say Zimmerman Was Beaten

Dumbfuck .... that was not the initial altercation. That was the result of them fighting. We'll never know who initiated the violence.

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

 

[progressive hunter]

AHHH yes we do, because thats what he did,,,

No, you don't know that's what he did. All you know is what Zimmerman claimed as there were no other witnesses to the initial altercation.

Lookie here chump...if ya gonna come on here and make comments try and keep up.

This has already been presented.............2 Witnesses Say Zimmerman Was Beaten

Dumbfuck .... that was not the initial altercation. That was the result of them fighting. We'll never know who initiated the violence.

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

 

[Faun]

time to end this thread....tyrones supposed defenders just keep repeating themselves and spamming the board.

"Plenty of justification to follow and report."

As a member of the neighborhood watch, there was no justification to follow as members are instructed to observe and report only; not put themselves into harm's way.

That is true...and that is all George really did until he was attacked.

He observed a SUSPICIOUS person reported it to the police.

Dispatch axed him which way Trayvon had run off to and George got out of his truck to observe and report back the answer to the question.

Following a suspicious person into a dark area is putting oneself into harm's way. What he was trained by police not to do.

"Dispatch axed him which way Trayvon had run off to and George got out of his truck to observe and report back the answer to the question."

And Zimmerman didn't need to exit his car to answer....

Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.​

That is the way Trayvon was headed when Z last saw him...when he lost sight of Trayvon Z got out of his truck so he could see better and walked in that direction a short ways to try and see better.

When the dispatcher axed Z if he was following the suspect George replied in the affirmative meaning he was just walking in the direction where he last saw trayvon.

One cannot follow anyone unless you can actually see them.

Trayvon only had a hundred yds. to go to get home...since he was running that would have taken him around 30 secs.

Wrong. He said Martin was running "towards the other entrance" as he exited his vehicle.

After getting out of his vehicle, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman, "which entrance is that that he's heading towards?" To which Zimmerman answered, "the back entrance," as he went running after Martin.

So no, you're full of shit when you falsely claim he only got out of his vehicle because he lost sight of him. Zimmerman saw the direction he took off in.

After exiting his vehicle and after informing the dispatcher the direction he observed Martin running, Zimmerman was asked if he was following Martin; and was told he needn't do so by the dispatcher. Then Zimmerman was asked his name, which he gave, and also informed the dispatcher Martin ran. By then he lost sight of him -- but that was after getting out of his truck.

And Martin had good reason not to run straight back to his father's apartment.... Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he lead a nut to where he was staying and to where 14 year old Chad Green was home alone?

Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he lead a nut to where he was staying and to where 14 year old Chad Green was home alone?

Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he go back, instead of calling 911?

Thug life ain't easy, yo.

He should have called 911 rather than take matters into his own hands.

 

[Faun]

he chases him in his vehicle
.....then he chases him on foot !!! Zim is aggressively chasing him and won't stop chasing him..so TM HAS to stand his ground

so TM HAS to stand his ground

If you get the chance, please explain the legal definition of "stand his ground".

Thanks!

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;

 

[Faun]

No, you don't know that's what he did. All you know is what Zimmerman claimed as there were no other witnesses to the initial altercation.

Lookie here chump...if ya gonna come on here and make comments try and keep up.

This has already been presented.............2 Witnesses Say Zimmerman Was Beaten

Dumbfuck .... that was not the initial altercation. That was the result of them fighting. We'll never know who initiated the violence.

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

 

[progressive hunter]

Lookie here chump...if ya gonna come on here and make comments try and keep up.

This has already been presented.............2 Witnesses Say Zimmerman Was Beaten

Dumbfuck .... that was not the initial altercation. That was the result of them fighting. We'll never know who initiated the violence.

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

 

[Faun]

Dumbfuck .... that was not the initial altercation. That was the result of them fighting. We'll never know who initiated the violence.

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

 

[progressive hunter]

It is strange that I don't recall you making that point, when your lib buddies make the claim that Zimmerman started the violence.

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

 

[Fang]

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

The prosecution overreached with 2nd degree murder. I think most of us are admitting Zimmerman was never guilty of 2nd degree murder. Granted the prosecution asked the judge to allow the jury to consider 3rd degree and manslaughter. But this was AFTER they built their case on 2nd degree. Had the prosecution not been swayed by public anger and started with manslaughter they stood a much better chance of getting a conviction. IMO the facts show that Zimmerman intended on confronting on Martin. He never intended to merely report his position. Zimmerman's lawyer didn't use Stand Your Ground because it didn't apply here. They used self defense. But is it self defense when you are the one that pursued and confronted?

 

[progressive hunter]

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

The prosecution overreached with 2nd degree murder. I think most of us are admitting Zimmerman was never guilty of 2nd degree murder. Granted the prosecution asked the judge to allow the jury to consider 3rd degree and manslaughter. But this was AFTER they built their case on 2nd degree. Had the prosecution not been swayed by public anger and started with manslaughter they stood a much better chance of getting a conviction. IMO the facts show that Zimmerman intended on confronting on Martin. He never intended to merely report his position. Zimmerman's lawyer didn't use Stand Your Ground because it didn't apply here. They used self defense. But is it self defense when you are the one that pursued and confronted?

no,,, the facts dont show that,,,,

 

[Faun]

I leave the job to challenge my “Lib buddies” to folks like you. My hands are full enough just correcting you and your ilk.

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

You’re fucking brain-dead. You know that, right?

Quote me saying saying Zimmerman was guilty...?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

time to end this thread....tyrones supposed defenders just keep repeating themselves and spamming the board.
That is true...and that is all George really did until he was attacked.

He observed a SUSPICIOUS person reported it to the police.

Dispatch axed him which way Trayvon had run off to and George got out of his truck to observe and report back the answer to the question.

Following a suspicious person into a dark area is putting oneself into harm's way. What he was trained by police not to do.

"Dispatch axed him which way Trayvon had run off to and George got out of his truck to observe and report back the answer to the question."

And Zimmerman didn't need to exit his car to answer....

Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.​

That is the way Trayvon was headed when Z last saw him...when he lost sight of Trayvon Z got out of his truck so he could see better and walked in that direction a short ways to try and see better.

When the dispatcher axed Z if he was following the suspect George replied in the affirmative meaning he was just walking in the direction where he last saw trayvon.

One cannot follow anyone unless you can actually see them.

Trayvon only had a hundred yds. to go to get home...since he was running that would have taken him around 30 secs.

Wrong. He said Martin was running "towards the other entrance" as he exited his vehicle.

After getting out of his vehicle, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman, "which entrance is that that he's heading towards?" To which Zimmerman answered, "the back entrance," as he went running after Martin.

So no, you're full of shit when you falsely claim he only got out of his vehicle because he lost sight of him. Zimmerman saw the direction he took off in.

After exiting his vehicle and after informing the dispatcher the direction he observed Martin running, Zimmerman was asked if he was following Martin; and was told he needn't do so by the dispatcher. Then Zimmerman was asked his name, which he gave, and also informed the dispatcher Martin ran. By then he lost sight of him -- but that was after getting out of his truck.

And Martin had good reason not to run straight back to his father's apartment.... Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he lead a nut to where he was staying and to where 14 year old Chad Green was home alone?

Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he lead a nut to where he was staying and to where 14 year old Chad Green was home alone?

Being chased by a crazed guy, why would he go back, instead of calling 911?

Thug life ain't easy, yo.

He should have called 911 rather than take matters into his own hands.

Exactly. Instead, he went back and beat on a guy with a gun. Dumb ass. Dead dumb ass.

 

[progressive hunter]

but you never told us how you know more than the jury,,,

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

You’re fucking brain-dead. You know that, right?

Quote me saying saying Zimmerman was guilty...?

for being brain dead I sure am smarter than you,,,

now TM is brain dead which is a good thing

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

he chases him in his vehicle
.....then he chases him on foot !!! Zim is aggressively chasing him and won't stop chasing him..so TM HAS to stand his ground

so TM HAS to stand his ground

If you get the chance, please explain the legal definition of "stand his ground".

Thanks!

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;

Thanks. Now everyone can see it had nothing to do with Trayvon.

 

[Fang]

Already explained that to ya. I can’t help your limited intellect prevents you from comprehending.

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

The prosecution overreached with 2nd degree murder. I think most of us are admitting Zimmerman was never guilty of 2nd degree murder. Granted the prosecution asked the judge to allow the jury to consider 3rd degree and manslaughter. But this was AFTER they built their case on 2nd degree. Had the prosecution not been swayed by public anger and started with manslaughter they stood a much better chance of getting a conviction. IMO the facts show that Zimmerman intended on confronting on Martin. He never intended to merely report his position. Zimmerman's lawyer didn't use Stand Your Ground because it didn't apply here. They used self defense. But is it self defense when you are the one that pursued and confronted?

no,,, the facts dont show that,,,,

Zimmerman - "These assholes always get away".

Dispatcher - "Are you following him"

Zimmerman - "Yeah"

Zimmerman some how ends up on the cut through walk way. The dispatch call goes on. Yet Zimmerman still has not made his way back to his car. Zimmerman's car was NOT just parked a few feet away as shown in the map I posted. He clearly pursued Martin off the road and down the inside walk path.

Testimony from the girlfriend:

"A man was watching him," said Rachel Jeantel, 19, who was on the phone with Martin just before he was fatally shot. "He said the man kept watching him. He kept complaining that a man was just watching him."

"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel. "I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked 'creepy.' 'Creepy, white' -- excuse my language -- 'cracker. Creepy [expletive] cracker."

Jeantel says she heard Martin talking to Zimmerman in the background of the call.
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.

Zimmerman clearly pursued Martin and confronted him. What happens after that is up for debate. But seems clear to me Martin is scared himself. Zimmerman knows he has a gun and yet he still creates this situation.

Remember, the prosecution went after 2nd degree. That was a huge mistake because this clearly isn't 2nd degree. Manslaughter, for sure.

 

[progressive hunter]

SO YOU JUST MADE IT UP,,,

Nope. I demonstrated no one, including the jury, knew who initiated the physical altercation since there were no eye witnesses to that event.

BUT THEY STILL FOUND HIM NOT GUILTY,,,and you claim Z is guilty


so how do you know more than them???

The prosecution overreached with 2nd degree murder. I think most of us are admitting Zimmerman was never guilty of 2nd degree murder. Granted the prosecution asked the judge to allow the jury to consider 3rd degree and manslaughter. But this was AFTER they built their case on 2nd degree. Had the prosecution not been swayed by public anger and started with manslaughter they stood a much better chance of getting a conviction. IMO the facts show that Zimmerman intended on confronting on Martin. He never intended to merely report his position. Zimmerman's lawyer didn't use Stand Your Ground because it didn't apply here. They used self defense. But is it self defense when you are the one that pursued and confronted?

no,,, the facts dont show that,,,,

Zimmerman - "These assholes always get away".

Dispatcher - "Are you following him"

Zimmerman - "Yeah"

Zimmerman some how ends up on the cut through walk way. The dispatch call goes on. Yet Zimmerman still has not made his way back to his car. Zimmerman's car was NOT just parked a few feet away as shown in the map I posted. He clearly pursued Martin off the road and down the inside walk path.

Testimony from the girlfriend:

"A man was watching him," said Rachel Jeantel, 19, who was on the phone with Martin just before he was fatally shot. "He said the man kept watching him. He kept complaining that a man was just watching him."

"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel. "I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked 'creepy.' 'Creepy, white' -- excuse my language -- 'cracker. Creepy [expletive] cracker."

Jeantel says she heard Martin talking to Zimmerman in the background of the call.
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.

Zimmerman clearly pursued Martin and confronted him. What happens after that is up for debate. But seems clear to me Martin is scared himself. Zimmerman knows he has a gun and yet he still creates this situation.

Remember, the prosecution went after 2nd degree. That was a huge mistake because this clearly isn't 2nd degree. Manslaughter, for sure.

if TM was scared then why didnt he go home and call 911,,,he didnt,,,

it was TM that created the situation not Z,,,Z was doing what he was supposed to do,,,